How to counter claims that EPFX is fake?

[Energizer-Bunny]

Can anyone supply any thoughts or evidence on how I can respond to people who claim the EPFX / SCIO is fake?

The dis-believers sometimes refer to the following TV report from the CBC TV website (Canada's Gov't Supported website):

NOTES:
(a) The EPFX portion starts at the 18:00 minute mark of the CBC TV Report (EPFX part is only 3.5 minutes long).
(b) Or just watch YouTube link below for only the EPFX segment (<4 minutes long).
(c) This is the update episode - includes the result from Health Canada that banned the sale of EPFX in Canada in 2009.

LINK CBC TV: Is the EPFX still allowed to be sold in Canada?

LINK YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ChyxfWuYAs

INTERESTING!!!

Thanks.

[mind-matters]

I have no problem with this!

I normally use TWO SOURCES:

(1) Wikipedia:
Electro Physiological Feedback Xrroid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

- but ignore the parts like "...discredited... resulted in death... world-side scam... not recognized as real..."

Hmmm... I guess that doesn't leave much. I thought it previously had more of the beneficial stuff listed? Not sure what happened.

(2) A great review listing the technical benefits:

- again, ignore the obvious negative stuff like "...bogus... the harm the machine does... male patient diagnosed as pregnant & had testicular cancer... not a bio-feedback device.."
- Some Notes on the Quantum Xrroid (QXCI) and William C. Nelson

[Health_Healer]

This is a great idea for a thread!! I'm new to EPFX, and looking for ways to overcome the negative stuff people say. Wondering why there are no replies?
Surely somebody must have some positive input here? Anyone?

[Health_Healer]

now i get it

Ok now I get it!
I just read the moderators sticky note at the top, and it says

"The EPFX does NOT diagnose, treat, cure, mitigate or prevent any disease"

It's a little more clear when the forum moderator says the product is worthless.

That explains why this place is a graveyard, everyone's selling their machine, and the guy trying to sell me seemed like a low-life.

Glad I spend nothing but a few conversations.

Thanks moderator!

[Health_Healer]

Looking for other's input as well.

[biores]

Is it a scam?

I own a SCIO machine and I know one thing for a fact. if I run a virus/bacteria test on a sick patient, and 5 minutes later I'll run it again (just to make sure), the results of the causes - virus/bacteria in the second test would be totally diferent...

Since there was no treatment betwee the tests I would expect to get the same results.. but that's not nessecarily going to happen with the SCIO.

Now, is it a scam? scientificaly speaking it is definetely a scam!

But, there are many practitioners who use it very successffuly, so who knows? is it really working? or maybe is't just a placebo?

[mind-matters]

A Fixed Link !!!

Getting ready for the 2015 Show!

BTW, that CBC link you had no longer works... Here's the correct one:

Miracle Makers or Money Takers? - Marketplace - CBC Player

See ya!
MM

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Can anyone supply any thoughts or evidence on how I can respond to people who claim the EPFX/SCIO is fake?

They sometimes refer to this online TV report: Is the EPFX still allowed to be sold in Canada? | Marketplace

Thanks!