about the Ferrocell (ferrolens)

[Markoul]

Don't want to hear anymore about ferrocell not showing the flux of magnetic fields!

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1536434498





EM

[Selfsimilarity]

Hi EM,

Nice summary. Can you put that in context? Who is complaining?

[Markoul]

Mainstream science and Bitstander!!

[Markoul]

EM Static Fields Geometry Relation - The 90° Rotation?



We can see clearly the 90° rotation in the above diagram. The magnetic pole centers are overlaid at the position of the electric charges in the above diagram.

We can see clearly the 90° at center cross formed.

Makes perfect sense since magnetic fields initially originate from electric charges as they say, if you look closer at each electric charge - magnetic pole formed pattern it resembles a drop in a water surface:


creditis: https://ia802502.us.archive.org/31/i...tism1small.pdf

Also elementary particles are concentrations of the same energy field.

There is no difference between a magnetic dipole and two attracting brought together opposite poles of two magnets to form one magnet. If both magnets are identical their junction point becomes the new domain wall of the total magnet.

EM

[bistander]

That's right

Mainstream science and Bitstander!! ...

That's right, but I don't complain much any more. I said my piece and found it satisfying when Wikipedia ditched your article. You just make up stuff to support your BS theories without any basis in reality. And the Wikipedia members voting against your article said the same. I thought that might humble you, but no.

bi

[Selfsimilarity]

I fully agree with EM's post above showing dielectro-magnetic conjugation, which is what the ferrocell is pointing to, which is observable evidence.

I dont think there is a lot of BS in that actually
Its a toroidal point oscillation, nature's standing wave.

Imagine to attach our machinery to that kind of wave
Most people I met lost their imagination.
Even big bang shows the quantized infinity in its beginning.
An infinitely energetic completely compressed field, not existing in our dimension, but still existing, being rather something than nothing.

Just like fractality suggests, defined geometry, yet infinite.
Bi, did you ever try to explain ferrocell for yourself? Its pretty hard to formulate, so I think we need to be kind to each other, even if one maybe overstate at some point, or gets something wrong.

We are here to explain the unexplained, which is freaking goddamn fantastic

Could not imagine a better time to be alive.
Love you all.

<3
Pascal

[bistander]

Who's rude?

... , so I think we need to be kind to each other, ...

A little late for that after the way Markoul treated me. I honestly tried to be nice, and was IMO, but his insults just kept coming. So I pretty much went back to standing on the sidelines hoping at some point his peers would review his articles and papers and he'd listen to their critique.

I studied the literature on the ferrocell in some depth back when in discussion with him and dyetalon. Michael had years of research and excellent papers. He never saw the ferrocell lines (image) directly representing the magnetic field, as I don't. I too would enjoy a reasonable discussion on what really causes the ferrocell image, but find that impossible with the likes of Markoul. Sorry.

Regards,

bi

[Selfsimilarity]

Any idea how sound could be connected to Electromagnetic?
Sonoluminescence is a fascinating phenomena in cavitation, where sound makes bubbles in water, when they collapse, the create a light impluse. I think this is the connection, but I cant figure out exactely how it is connected to the toroidal symmetry observable in ferrocell.
If we would have to guess what nature's standing wave could be, sound is pretty good fit. Also Fibonacci and golden ratio is all over music, the tones and harmonies.
Relgion says, first was the word. Could sound be primer? and electromagnetic the effect?

Maybe this is too crazy, its just one of the thoughts in my head

I read that when soundwaves could be infinitely compressed, they could travel faster than the speed of light.

[bistander]

Maybe

Any idea how sound could be connected to Electromagnetic?
Sonoluminescence is a fascinating phenomena in cavitation, where sound makes bubbles in water, when they collapse, the create a light impluse. I think this is the connection, but I cant figure out exactely how it is connected to the toroidal symmetry observable in ferrocell.
If we would have to guess what nature's standing wave could be, sound is pretty good fit. Also Fibonacci and golden ratio is all over music, the tones and harmonies.
Relgion says, first was the word. Could sound be primer? and electromagnetic the effect?

Maybe this is too crazy, its just one of the thoughts in my head

I read that when soundwaves could be infinitely compressed, they could travel faster than the speed of light.

Hi Self,

Interesting. Here is a direction which I think is worthy.

http://www.energeticforum.com/310466-post119.html

Or maybe some combination????

Regards,

bi

[Markoul]

That's right, but I don't complain much any more. I said my piece and found it satisfying when Wikipedia ditched your article. You just make up stuff to support your BS theories without any basis in reality. And the Wikipedia members voting against your article said the same. I thought that might humble you, but no.

bi

Dear Bistander,

Sorry to hear that my arguments your perceived as insults have offended you Sir. Maybe you were also one of the voters against the Wikipedia article or the one who steered the whole process for deletion of the article (which YOU ASSUME IT WAS MINE).Who knows?

At least me I'm not hiding behind a nickname and personally attacking people.

I dare you to tell us your name Sir?

My complaint against you was because even back at Ufopolitics thread and continuing with dyetalon's thread here, you only true concern is discrediting the ferrocell by direct or indirect approach and people involved, without any real specific counter arguments against the information presented and willing to look into it and a biased position to the matter.

Also I admit that my frustration in some occasions took the best of me and I didn't like to continue on this path therefore I decided that it was counter productive and choose not to respond anymore. But this is nothing compared to your inflammatory comments you used like the one very informative little text you have just presented showing us your true colors. Your persistent attitude against other members here not just me, triggered a response not only by me but also by others in these forum threads and there were people who also left because of you.

I asked you in the past that this thread is not for people arguing against the ferrocell but people who try to decipher it and try to uncover the true nature of magnetism and are not really interested in hearing again the mainstream propositions. We have wikipedia for that. Thank you. But you don't seem to get it. If you believe that mainstream has deciphered magnetism you must be kidding.

The current knowledge of quantum mechanics has found the elementary electric charge particle namely the electron but if you ask what magnet wise electrons and protons on a stable orbit are? Physicists today respond, tiny magnets! How come you ask them? They do not know the answer. Which shows the current state of knowledge cap on magnetism today.

So there is still information missing or something was misinterpreted along the way. This gives the right to present different new propositions about magnetism and many researchers today have come forward.

Shooting the messenger will not do any good for all of us on that matter and is against scientific progress. Imagine Maxwell mocking Faraday's experimental findings 200 years ago. Science is a never ending process of corrections, dispute (but not on a personal level), new theories and experiments. If it was not that we would still be on stone age.

So, if you still perceive my reply to your post offensive to you, don't blame me. You asked for it. Either way after this little chat I believe there is nothing more to discuss for us and you just justified my previous decision not to respond. You were honest with your feelings (using a nickname that is) about me but you crossed the line this time.

Kind Regards,

Emmanouil Markoulakis (EM)
aka Markoul

[Markoul]

Any idea how sound could be connected to Electromagnetic?
Sonoluminescence is a fascinating phenomena in cavitation, where sound makes bubbles in water, when they collapse, the create a light impluse. I think this is the connection, but I cant figure out exactely how it is connected to the toroidal symmetry observable in ferrocell.
If we would have to guess what nature's standing wave could be, sound is pretty good fit. Also Fibonacci and golden ratio is all over music, the tones and harmonies.
Relgion says, first was the word. Could sound be primer? and electromagnetic the effect?

Maybe this is too crazy, its just one of the thoughts in my head

I read that when soundwaves could be infinitely compressed, they could travel faster than the speed of light.

SSML,

check this put pattern lover!
Sound in a cavity. This is how sound bounces in our ear cavity. Notice how all these hyperbola vortices are popping in and out all the time!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9al397N6Tzs
pause it to see the detail.

EM

[bistander]

Ferrocell

Dear Bistander,

Sorry to hear that my arguments your perceived as insults have offended you Sir. Maybe you were also one of the voters against the Wikipedia article or the one who steered the whole process for deletion of the article (which YOU ASSUME IT WAS MINE).Who knows?

At least me I'm not hiding behind a nickname and personally attacking people.

I dare you to tell us your name Sir?

My complaint against you was because even back at Ufopolitics thread and continuing with dyetalon's thread here, you only true concern is discrediting the ferrocell by direct or indirect approach and people involved, without any real specific counter arguments against the information presented and willing to look into it and a biased position to the matter.

Also I admit that my frustration in some occasions took the best of me and I didn't like to continue on this path therefore I decided that it was counter productive and choose not to respond anymore. But this is nothing compared to your inflammatory comments you used like the one very informative little text you have just presented showing us your true colors. Your persistent attitude against other members here not just me, triggered a response not only by me but also by others in these forum threads and there were people who also left because of you.

I asked you in the past that this thread is not for people arguing against the ferrocell but people who try to decipher it and try to uncover the true nature of magnetism and are not really interested in hearing again the mainstream propositions. We have wikipedia for that. Thank you. But you don't seem to get it. If you believe that mainstream has deciphered magnetism you must be kidding.

The current knowledge of quantum mechanics has found the elementary electric charge particle namely the electron but if you ask what magnet wise electrons and protons on a stable orbit are? Physicists today respond, tiny magnets! How come you ask them? They do not know the answer. Which shows the current state of knowledge cap on magnetism today.

So there is still information missing or something was misinterpreted along the way. This gives the right to present different new propositions about magnetism and many researchers today have come forward.

Shooting the messenger will not do any good for all of us on that matter and is against scientific progress. Imagine Maxwell mocking Faraday's experimental findings 200 years ago. Science is a never ending process of corrections, dispute (but not on a personal level), new theories and experiments. If it was not that we would still be on stone age.

So, if you still perceive my reply to your post offensive to you, don't blame me. You asked for it. Either way after this little chat I believe there is nothing more to discuss for us and you just justified my previous decision not to respond. You were honest with your feelings (using a nickname that is) about me but you crossed the line this time.

Kind Regards,

Emmanouil Markoulakis (EM)
aka Markoul

I have never discredited the ferrocell. It is just an instrument. I just don't see the magnetic field directly represented by the image produced by the ferrocell.

bi

[Markoul]

I have never discredited the ferrocell. It is just an instrument. I just don't see the magnetic field directly represented by the image produced by the ferrocell.

bi

You did automatically by assuming definitive that you know what magnetism looks like. Do you?

So then there is no need for the ferrocell since it doesn't fit your model.

We say we don't know definitive what magnetism looks and we see only part of it and maybe also disguised.

Let's start with this premise first and work our way out.

[bistander]

Correct view

You did automatically by assuming definitive that you know what magnetism looks. Do you?

So then there is no need for the ferrocell since it doesn't fit your model.

We say we don't know definitive what magnetism looks and we see only part of it and maybe also disguised.

Let's start with this premise first and work our way out.

In the relevant size and strength engineering uses to construct power and information devices and equipment, I agree with mainstream science which has magnetic fields figured out to a very precise degree. That has nothing to do with an instrument called ferrocell. How useful was the CRT for television for all those years? But that instrument does not show a magnetic field when a bar magnet is held next to the screen. Different instruments show different things. I said that I know what the magnetic field of a bar magnet looks like and that is not what a ferrocell, or CRT depicts. That is not saying either is useless. In fact maybe the ferrocell is showing something we don't yet know, or understand, but could benefit from. It's just not the magnetic field straight away.

Just like you make false statements or invalid assumptions about well defined scientific terminology and fact, you do the same with my statements. It is illogical to conclude that I claim or believe that there is no need for the ferrocell because it doesn't accurately depict the magnetic field. Yet that is what you do.

bi

Why don't you get on-topic and talk about the ferrocell instead of talking about me?

[Markoul]

In the relevant size and strength engineering uses to construct power and information devices and equipment, I agree with mainstream science which has magnetic fields figured out to a very precise degree. That has nothing to do with an instrument called ferrocell. How useful was the CRT for television for all those years? But that instrument does not show a magnetic field when a bar magnet is held next to the screen. Different instruments show different things. I said that I know what the magnetic field of a bar magnet looks like and that is not what a ferrocell, or CRT depicts. That is not saying either is useless. In fact maybe the ferrocell is showing something we don't yet know, or understand, but could benefit from. It's just not the magnetic field straight away.

Just like you make false statements or invalid assumptions about well defined scientific terminology and fact, you do the same with my statements. It is illogical to conclude that I claim or believe that there is no need for the ferrocell because it doesn't accurately depict the magnetic field. Yet that is what you do.

bi

Why don't you get on-topic and talk about the ferrocell instead of talking about me?

bi,

It is illogical to conclude that I claim or believe that there is no need for the ferrocell because it doesn't accurately depict the magnetic field. Yet that is what you do.

How you can say that the ferrocell doesn't accurately depict the magnetic field when you don't know what a compete magnetic field looks like in the first place?

You see that's the problem. You state that you know what a magnetic field looks like.

In this thread here we all say we don't know what the magnetic field looks like in its entirety and we are investigating using all means in hand.

So if I was as smart as you and I knew what a magnetic field definitively looks like there would be really no reason to bother with topics like these and would left us stooges here to figure it out!

bye bi

EM