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[ANTIQUER]

Hey all'
If anybody wants to pray through Jesus, to get to G-D, read Exodus 20, 1-17. Particularly the first commandment. However,, 1-7 should suffice, if the false and graven images are your cup of tea.
Dan

Hi Dan;

Here you go again using that Bible you don't believe in to prove a point. Oh well.

I am sure everyone here is familiar with The 10 Commandments. (By the way, know anywhere beside the Bible they are given?)First read on down through vs. 26. Where shall we build the earthen altar for the burnt offerings? Got any sheep or oxen? Know where to get some? Looks like we can't be blessed without them.

If you had ever studied that Bible you don't believe at least you would know this event is part of The Mosaic Covenant God made with his people. There were 4 of them in The Old Testament. Men never kept their side of these covenants. After thousands of years God got tired of it. Remember the prophesy in Isaiah about Immanuel(God with us). Jesus was that human form of God. Instead of killing nearly everyone off as he had done before, He made a new covenant with Jesus' blood as the final, one-time sin offering. No more sheep or oxen. We are forgiven by God through belief in that sacrifice( that's calledgrace) not by trying to keep the law. Read Hebrews chapters 9 & 10. It is made abundantly clear. Yeah, I know, more of that man-made stuff. Here's 10: 14-15 anyway. "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the Eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance." That's what Peter had trouble grasping, but eventually he got it. So you are worshipping the same one and only God that gave the Mosaic law when you worship Jesus as saviour.
Baptist's don't have any graven images, Catholics and almost every other major religion does; and yes I know the Muslim's don't, even though Mohammed originally had one in the tent in Mecca or Medina that he called Allah.

Al.

[ANTIQUER]

to Cherry Picker from Spineless

Hey once more Dan;

Yes you are cherry picking. The subject of the sentence IS the subject of the paragraph or passage. You can't separate one line out and quote only that one line; you lose the meaning of that one line as you have amply demonstrated.
I not only read the one sentence I quoted the entire passage and explained it. Never mind paraphrasing, you have it right here; quote it correctly. The line you paraphrased is twisted in meaning by the way you state it and by removing the sentence before it and after it which contribute to it's proper meaning. I guess I'm smarter than you think as I can read and understand proper English. You, on the other hand, have to paraphrase so you can misconstrue the correct meaning.

As to the deity of Jesus try these; Matt.26:27-28(Jesus institutes The Lord's Supper) "Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament , which is shed for many for the remission of sins." A "good man" can't establish a new covenant, only God can.
Luke 9:1. "Then he called his 12 disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases." How does a "good man" have any power to pass on?
John 8:21-24. "Then Jesus said again unto them, "I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins; whither I go, ye cannot come." Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith , "Whither I go, ye cannot come.
And he said unto them, "Ye are from beneath, I am from above; ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that you shall die in your sins, for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."
Guess he must have been an alien as he was from "above and not of this world."!!


John 10:30. "I and the Father(God) are one." That's pretty plain.

Now tell me somewhere this Bible you don't believe in says He is not God.

Then tell me where else I can find anything besides "the good book" that tells me about God or Jesus. I have repeatedly asked for these mysterious sources, yet all you quote, though incorrectly, is the Bible. Could it be they don't exist except in your head? Hmmm?

Until next time, and while you are looking for those sheep and oxen,keep thinking; come up with something new and revealing.

Al

[Samemf]

From what I have learnt thus far mohammad never worshipped idols, infact the opposite is true , he was against all idols but he forbid all idols so your claim that he worshipped an idol is false , I challenge you to give me a verse from the koran witch says so ,
as i mensioned before Allah is God It is unique it means the one the only to be worshipped cannot be played with etc

There is a saying by the mohammad witch says "if you have disbeleive in jesus You have also disbeleive in me , for we are brothers in profethood"

note the sayings of mohammad are in books called hadith,
The koran is the revelation from god , the koran claims also claims that the Gospel was sent to jesus , and the taura before that and the revelations before that ,
the problem with the bible is we need the Gospel the jesus preached , this is the revelation from God , not the Gospel according to four guys , the words and paragraphs change with every edition , its been altered , words changed , meanings changed , its sad .

[Samemf]

Want to learn more about jesus Al
get a copy of the noble koran it mensions jesus twenty five times and mohammad only five times seems a bit odd doesnt it.

the koran mensions a miracle of jesus not mensioned in the bible one before water to wine

[wpage]

The Bible Gods Word

Old testamant = Gods inspired word thru the prophets.

New Testament = Gods word spoken by Gods only Begotten Son...
Begotten not made...
Recorded by men as witnessed by some....
As understood and recorded by others.

If you read it carefully and try to understand it. It become clear. Best taken in small increments.

Its the undisputed #1 best seller of all time for a reason

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[muttdogg]

Done

To all,

I figured if I gave you enough rope you'd hang yourselves. Read my posts. Read why I don't believe in some superhero has to be why I believe in G-D. Yep, y'alls true nature has been shown. So, when I die I will not be in your heaven, which would be my hell. I'd rather have my afterlife with my sister, Dad, Step-Dad, Midnight, my first dog, Eeny, my current dog, all my family, friends and relatives who have passed before.

Continue your arguements.

Dan

[muttdogg]

Smarter than molasses

Al,

No. Only your stupidity shows. You could't reconcile a child,if you tried to explain the difference between a frog and a toad. Your posts are moronic, imbecilic, and to beat a dead horse, ignorant. Your snot-nosed comments on the English language are only the lie you live with. Shame on you.

If you wish to argue the points stated here, try to keep your arguements within the bounds stated originally. If not start your own thread.
Dan

[ANTIQUER]

Purported lynching victim

Hey Dan;

Enlighten me, how have I hung myself? Stated the same things I have consistently stated. You on the other hand, have once again replied with a vague statement , no rebuttal, nothing to show my statements or explanations are incorrect by any normal methods or standards; not even another twisted quote.
What do you believe my true nature to be? Be honest, I can handle it.

As far as believing in God, almost everyone knows there is one. But as far back as Adam's other offspring (not named in Genesis) people have gone off on their own and tried to ignore him or substitute their own religion instead of following his rules on how he wanted to be worshiped.
Check out the Golden Calf in Exodus:32. This was not long after they were given The 10 Commandments.(Which of them have you not broken? If even one you better have located those sheep and oxen for a sin offering.) Moses had to plead with God and remind him of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Israel to keep him from wiping them all out when they tried to set up their own idol to worship. These were the same people who had followed Moses out of Egypt, seen the miracles, and they still rebelled against God! In vs. 33 God "blotted them out of his book" for sinning against him. What, God has a book? At least as far back as Moses' day? What book?Who's in it? Same book in Rev. 20:15. "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." As Moses had 3000 of these idol worshipers killed (he first gave them a chance to repent and follow him and God or not) I think they are still in Hell.

By the way, it's not my Hell or your Hell. God created it and is charge of it. We simply make a choice which results in which one(Heaven or Hell) we wind up in.
Strange you did not mention God being in your heaven, only you, your family and your pets. In my heaven Jesus and God and The Holy Spirit rule, my Christian friends and family are there we live in mansions, and there is no sorrow. What's wrong with that?

Until next time,

Al.

[ANTIQUER]

Al,

No. Only your stupidity shows. You could't reconcile a child,if you tried to explain the difference between a frog and a toad. Your posts are moronic, imbecilic, and to beat a dead horse, ignorant. Your snot-nosed comments on the English language are only the lie you live with. Shame on you.

If you wish to argue the points stated here, try to keep your arguements within the bounds stated originally. If not start your own thread.
Dan

Dan;

As to the English language, how does explaining the difference beteen a toad and a frog reconcile a child?
All of my posts have included discussions on and quotes from the Bible, as well as my opinions and explanations of same. Where's the beef? Must be those oxen again.

If you want to stay on topic discuss something from the last 4 posted discussions instead of resorting to insults. My comments on understanding the English language are self-explanatory. I was commenting on what the subject and content of a passage was as were you.

If you don't want to continue discussions on those posts, here's something as to Paul's apostleship we were arguing about before. You say he was not an apostle. In Acts 11 Peter spends a year with Paul and Barnabas in Antioch. In Acts 14:14 Peter calls Paul and Barnabas apostles. I think he would know. In Acts 14 & 15 it tells of Paul and Barnabus meeting in Jerusalem with Peter and James; in Acts 15:37 they are with Mark. So Peter, who wrote the book of Acts, called them apostles, and they associated and stayed with at least 3 of the original 12 apostles in just these 3 chapters.

As to Jesus being God consider these verses; Acts 15:11 Peter says to an assembly of pharisees"through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.(the Gentiles). He did not say through the grace of God as he understood Jesus was God.
In Acts 9:34 Peter heals a sick man and says "Jesus Christ maketh thee whole." Pretty plain.
In Acts 13:23 Peter says "---God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus;". He is talking of Jesus' resurrection. No Prophets, not even David were raised from the dead. Verses 37-39; "But he(Jesus), whom God raised again, saw no corruption.(He did not lay in the tomb and decompose) Be it known unto you, therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins; and by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." See, no more sheep or oxen needed for sin offerings.(Whew, you can stop looking.)

Comments? Questions?

Al

[muttdogg]

On topic

Al,
This is my thread, not yours. All are welcome, but please stay on topic. If you are unable to stop yourself from being a heavy-handed slut, start your own post. See how many respond. Or, maybe start your own wicked web site, where all the ignorant nonsense you spew will have your own kin.
Oh, that's right, you've never started a post. Go figure.
I am done with this post.
Dan

[ANTIQUER]

Hey Dan;

True to form rant and insults, but no answers. I offered subjects last time on the topic of this thread which we could discuss or any previous subjects. You chose to ignore the offer.

Yes, you started it and asked others to join in and" have a free for all"(read your opening post) so I didn't need to start one. Then when the going apparently gets tough you get mad, pick up your marbles and go home. I regret that. If you ever get over your snit please feel free to return. If not, via con dios.

With regrets and best regards,

Al.

[Aaron]

keep on topic, respectfully

To everyone,

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[henrii]

Agreed

I fully agree with Aaron and Admin. We all should be respectful I concur.

You know I only post to contribute and ask questions but I don't personally attack anyone unless they attack me pretty badly (many times over) without any reason at all; which is not right to still keep quiet and still stay to be polite.

If you look all my post I have never personally attack anyone here, and it should be. Ethics in forum.

Have a nice peaceful day everyone
Henrii

[henrii]

Peace

Yeah, it's peaceful now

The nice ambient forum it is.

Henrii