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    Geneva Conventions - Torture

    Hi all,

    I know many people have different opinions on "torture", what is reasonable and you know it when you see it. There has been many photos and information on torture in the past months and the definition to some including myself seems the goal line has been moving. To some it appears listening to the "Partridge Family" loud for 24/7 could constitute a violation or incests put in your holding cell.

    Geneva Conventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    During WW11 Franklin D. Roosevelt had all Japanese, Germans and Italians incarcerated in camps around the United States one was in Oregon at the "Portland Stockyards" where cattle and pigs were transfered, living in those same buildings with dirt floors, 99.9% of those were innocent having done nothing, was that torture?

    What are your thoughts can we be going to far today in the definition of "torture" or not far enough, is this a political knee jerk reaction in todays conflicts and dangers we face or well founded, what should we do ??

    I found these Photos depicting what to many could constitute torture to some not, these were taken possibly when the "Geneva Conventions" were in effect.




    Regards,
    Glen
    Open Source Experimentalist
    Open Source Research and Development
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    Glen

    having spent most of my life in the mil - I say both are wrong. Not sure of the context of the first photo , but the second look very odd. If as a race we think torture is OK then I think we have a serious problem.

    Cheers

    John

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    • #3
      Even looking past the morality issues, it has been shown over and over that you can not rely on the information obtained from someone who is being tortured.
      Keep your mind on the aether www.PathsToSucceed.com

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      • #4
        The Geneva Conventions was begun due to the horrors that occurred in the United States Civil War.
        It was not due to a war between countries, but between fellow countrymen, in a civil war.

        The present is elusive and sometimes hidden. Knowing the past gives light to the foundation upon which the present has been built.
        To know the present, one must know the past, otherwise you have taken the present out of context.

        In the images of the original posting of this topic, I do not see that information being extracted from anyone, let alone as some might claim either useful or unreliable information is the justification for torture.

        Torture does not have to be physical at all ..
        Pain is an electrical signal to the brain, so is sound, sight, smell, touch, etc.
        Can not one be tortured by tickling ..?
        Can not one be tortured by a dripping faucet or a barking dog ?
        Being threatened with torture is torture.
        The 1969 Vienna convention on the Law of Treaties made
        Threat of force (public international law) is a crime.
        Coercion , is threat of force, if you read the meaning, it is torture, but generally without getting physical.

        One does not have to be physically touched to be tortured,
        otherwise a coerced confession" would not exist.
        Remember to be kind to your mind ...
        Tesla quoting Buddha: "Ignorance is the greatest evil in the world."

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        • #5
          reply john_g

          Originally posted by john_g View Post
          Glen

          having spent most of my life in the mil - I say both are wrong. Not sure of the context of the first photo , but the second look very odd. If as a race we think torture is OK then I think we have a serious problem.

          Cheers

          John
          Hi John,

          I must admit both photos are disturbing in there content, the second photo appears possibly someone maybe dead. The finding these photos was by accident looking up unrelated information and I don't subscribe to torture, there has been enough already, it's a touchy subject for most.

          Regards,
          Glen
          Open Source Experimentalist
          Open Source Research and Development

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          • #6
            reply future pather

            Originally posted by future pather View Post
            Even looking past the morality issues, it has been shown over and over that you can not rely on the information obtained from someone who is being tortured.
            Hi,
            I'm in agreement with you on the acquiring of information, people will, can and do say anything to stop any torture they maybe enduring. It is the morality issues that the whole human race must come to grips with not just some but all.

            Glen
            Open Source Experimentalist
            Open Source Research and Development

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            • #7
              reply to Vortex

              Originally posted by Vortex View Post
              The Geneva Conventions was begun due to the horrors that occurred in the United States Civil War.
              It was not due to a war between countries, but between fellow countrymen, in a civil war.

              The present is elusive and sometimes hidden. Knowing the past gives light to the foundation upon which the present has been built.
              To know the present, one must know the past, otherwise you have taken the present out of context.

              In the images of the original posting of this topic, I do not see that information being extracted from anyone, let alone as some might claim either useful or unreliable information is the justification for torture.

              Torture does not have to be physical at all ..
              Pain is an electrical signal to the brain, so is sound, sight, smell, touch, etc.
              Can not one be tortured by tickling ..?
              Can not one be tortured by a dripping faucet or a barking dog ?
              Being threatened with torture is torture.
              The 1969 Vienna convention on the Law of Treaties made
              Threat of force (public international law) is a crime.
              Coercion , is threat of force, if you read the meaning, it is torture, but generally without getting physical.

              One does not have to be physically touched to be tortured,
              otherwise a coerced confession" would not exist.
              Hi,
              I've always been amazed on the cruelty of the human race from hatred, wars or in the name of religion, just when you think you have seen everything something new shows up. The age old question is where do you draw the line, what is fine with one person another maybe appalled and discussed. I guess my only wish is a black and white one, but all that can be seen sometimes is gray, as you say "torture does not have to be physical at all" which makes the topic even harder to grasp.

              Regards,
              Glen
              Open Source Experimentalist
              Open Source Research and Development

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              • #8
                YouTube - Former Interrogator Rebukes Cheney for Torture Speech

                Good vid here on how torture created enemies for the US.
                Keep your mind on the aether www.PathsToSucceed.com

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                • #9
                  Every time we torture someone we create the enemy for the next war...

                  We have to STOP torture all together if we ever want to be at peace ....

                  It is as simple as that.... no torture no wars .... no wars no torture.....

                  To bad humanity will stop at nothing just to be "right".... how "WRONG" is that!

                  Sorry but if we don't smarten up soon the next war may be the one to just survive to live another day.....

                  Tj

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