Something New on 9/11

[rickoff]

About the Pentagon

The most convincing evidence I have seen so far, that no plane hit the Pentagon, is found in the investigative videos linked below. A plane did fly low and towards the Pentagon, and this is confirmed by more than a dozen reliable eyewitnesses. The flight path, though, according to the witnesses, is entirely different than the path shown in the "official" version, which had the plane approach from the south side of the Citgo gas station, and at an angle. Two of the eyewitnesses were actually Pentagon policemen who were at the Citgo gas station and saw the plane fly over at the north side of the gas station, and close to Arlington Cemetery, which is seen just above the yellow lines in this photo:

In the above photo, the green line represents the "official" flight path, while the yellow lines represent the flight paths observed and reported by several eyewitnesses. Near the center of the photo, and in between the green and first yellow line, is the Citgo gas station where two Pentagon security officers were located at the time of the incident. Both officers stated emphatically, when interviewed on videotape, that the plane flew over at the north side of the Citgo, where the yellow lines are seen.

The operator at the Pentagon helipad control tower, located adjacent to the impact area at the Pentagon, also stated that the plane approached from the north side of the Citgo, and this would be nearly a straight in path rather than the angle path of the official version. The official version promoters had to stick to their story that the plane flew in on the south side of the Citgo at an angle, because that would be the only path of impact that could possibly match the penetration damage. Therefore, since the credible and multiple eyewitness accounts have the plane coming nearly straight in on the north side, the plane that was seen could not possibly have caused the damage, so could not have struck the Pentagon. Since no plane struck the Pentagon, it is only logical to assume that the plane seen by the witnesses actually lifted up to clear the top of the Pentagon at about the same time that the blast occurred. This would be supported by witness statements that the plane flew in at a low speed, but then throttled the engines shortly before the explosion. Very interesting videos, and well worth a watch.

pentagon flyover - Google Videos (The PentaCon)

The Pentagon Flyover - How They Pulled It Off#

The North Side Flyover - Part 1#

See also North Side Flyover Part 2

[rickoff]

Further clarification about the Pentagon

I'm not sure that everyone understood the significance of my previous post, so went back in to edit it and explain how the eyewitness accounts conclusively prove that an airplane did not hit the Pentagon on 9-11. By the way, these witnesses were all interviewed by the government, and the investigators who made these videos obtained records of those interviews through the Freedom of Information Act, and were thus able to track the witnesses down. As I stated previously, two of the witnesses were Pentagon police officers who just happened to be at the Citgo gas station as the plane flew by, and another witness was working in the helipad tower at the Pentagon. There were two additional witnesses who worked at the Citgo station, several witnesses who were outdoors working at Arlington Cemetery, witnesses who were visiting the cemetery, and others who were outdoors and directly beneath the flight path of the plane at various locations which all corroborate a north side pass of the Citgo station, with a nearly straight in approach. This is very important, because it flies in the face of the official version, which states that the plane flew in at an angle on the south side of the Citgo station, snapping off several metal lamp poles. Incidentally, one of the "official" version witnesses was a cab driver who stated that one of these large poles came smashing through his windshield as it fell over. He was photographed with the pole laying on the highway, next to his cab. Interestingly, the lads who made the videos that I linked to in my previous post interviewed the cab driver and showed the actual cab that was involved. The damage had never been repaired, and the cabbie kept the car in his back yard. The windshield did have a hole through it on the passenger side, but quite interestingly there was no damage whatsoever to the hood! We're talking about a rather tall, large, and heavy metal light pole. The video interviewers went back to see the cabbie at a later date, after talking with the several witnesses who refuted the official flight path, and confronted the cabbie with that information. He then changed his story and said he now remembered being north of the Citgo on the highway when his cab was struck, but the "official" photos clearly showed him being south of the Citgo, along the "official" flight path. It is truly amazing that our government expects us to believe their official version of the events when all the evidence is to the contrary.

Rick

[jibbguy]

You know, one thing in that video series about the Pentagon eyewitnesses that was kinda creepy to me was the new Air Force Memorial that has been built recently there.

It is hideous and UGLY. To me, it seems as if it is a daily reminder of fear for all those who work at the Pentagon to keep their mouths shut and just go along with it all.

Memorials should be more on a Human scale, so people can walk up and interact with them. This thing is like talons ripping at the sky: It is less a reminder of those who died for our country, than of the ability of Man to kill others. I can't imagine this thing getting approval normally...

It is like a giant psy-ops reminder to keep in line or they will get you; and reminds me of something Saddam or the old Soviets would have built.

[rickoff]

Hey Steve,

Can you post the video link and give me an elapsed time coordinate so I can take a look at that? I'd appreciate that. It does sound rather strange from the way you describe it.

Best 2 u,

Rick

[jibbguy]

Sorry m8, i was referring to another vid series "9/11-The Pentagon Attack".
It's very well done with compelling evidence. There are at least 8 eyewitnesses with the same story, that clearly contradicts the official report.

Part 1
YouTube - 9/11-The Pentagon Attack Part 1 of 8

In the beginning of Part 3, you can see it but it shows up in several of the others as well.

YouTube - 9/11-The Pentagon Attack Part 3 of 8

[rickoff]

Okay, Steve, I see it clearly about 22 seconds in on the Part 3 video. It really does look wierd and ugly, and with the 3 spikes, or horns (whatever you might call them), it looks more like a fitting tribute to the Trilateral Commission, or perhaps a New Age version of the Devil's trident fork.

[Aaron]

9/11

Rick,

I did see some of the video you posted. I haven't seen that take on
the Pentagon issue and is very compelling.

One thing is for sure - about 60% of the people on the 911 commission
came forward and said they were completely lied to about the information
they were given about 911. That ought to wake a few people up if they
even see the significance of that. That is not evidence, it is proof of a
cover up and anyone that denies that is simply not in touch with reality.

I agree that it is difficult to prove who or what is behind it but for anyone
at this stage to believe there is no cover up is simply committed to self
deception.

[rickoff]

Aaron, I fully agree, and I know there is a groundswell of support for a real investigation of the facts. This time, though, the investigative group's leader and members should not be appointed by the government, and should have totally unrestricted access to any and all evidence and documentation that is requested by them. I know the government would like to delay such investigation until all evidence is destroyed, all documentation shredded, and all relevant witnesses have died - either naturally or by "accident." That's why it is imperative that the investigation move ahead with all due haste. Since it was a coverup operation, you can be sure that a great deal of the physical evidence, and most of the paper trail evidence, in the case is already long gone. Still, if we can clearly see that the 911 events were falsely reported to us then an investigative team should be able to see the same inconsistencies.

[aljhoa]

The Ground Truth, the Story behind America's Defense on 9-11

Aaron, I fully agree, and I know there is a groundswell of support for a real investigation of the facts. This time, though, the investigative group's leader and members should not be appointed by the government, and should have totally unrestricted access to any and all evidence and documentation that is requested by them. I know the government would like to delay such investigation until all evidence is destroyed, all documentation shredded, and all relevant witnesses have died - either naturally or by "accident." That's why it is imperative that the investigation move ahead with all due haste. Since it was a coverup operation, you can be sure that a great deal of the physical evidence, and most of the paper trail evidence, in the case is already long gone. Still, if we can clearly see that the 911 events were falsely reported to us then an investigative team should be able to see the same inconsistencies.

APFN - 9-11 Exposed - Finally the Truth about 9-11.

APFN Contents Page

Al

[jibbguy]

Enjoy

YouTube - How To Destroy a 9/11 Truther

[rickoff]

Good video, Steve. It makes me wonder if the debunkers actually are using this satirical video as their training course material.

[rickoff]

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies

By Gordon Duff
Salem-News.com

In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."

What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer's omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn't just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.

We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with Bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

Can anyone call themselves an American if they don't demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?

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Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran and a regular contributor to Veterans Today. He specializes in political and social issues. You can see a large collection of Gordon's published articles at this link: VeteransToday.com.

[Mad Scientist]

Ah but you shouldn’t be so conspiratorial you need to look at all the plus things that 911 helped government bring into existence.

911 provided the perfect excuse to invade Iraq. It allowed for the adoption of patriot act which in turn allowed for the suspension of many of those pesky individual rights. It ushered in the use of military troops to patrol our cities as something that is obviously perfectly normal. And of course it is perfectly normal to have TV cameras on street corners so the government can keep a watch on you. For everyone’s safety it is also OK to require your cell phone be able to track you and listen in to your conversations, even when you think it is turn off. Naturally we will have no problem with government signing treaties that give away our national sovereignty.

Why if it were not for 911 all of these goals would have been much harder for our leaders to get passed. So whatever you do always remember that the government loves you it is your friend and would never do anything to harm you. Just keep repeating that mantra as you are handed the cool-aid.

[Nadda]

Thats astonishing information rickoff and i completely agree mad scientist.

Has anyone thought about the technological aspect? What has our military been doing for the last 25 years? Was the stealth bomber Really americas lastest and greatest development in aviation? With every jet fighter "known" to exist being powered by fuel injection, i find it a bit odd the government has no publicly known interest in finding the alternative source when the "well" runs dry. Will the world resort to flying theyre war machines on veggie oil?

I personally believe i've seen enough video evidence to prove the existance of very advanced machines, (such as the footage of infared balls of light flying in formation) and the fact that the government claims they couldnt have reached those airliners fast enough clearly displays they had no intention of stopping what was happening. Or maybe saving thousands of lives just arnt worth exposing the technology. Either way, as mad scientist posted, its evident just how much they really do love us...

Any one know of any new aviation technology thats been developed since 1985 that i'm unaware of?

[ANTIQUER]

New Tech.

Nadda;

Check out the stuff at Snowlabs. Pretty impressive.

YouTube - SnowLabsRatedX's Channel

Al