Something New on 9/11

[rickoff]

An interesting 911 related happening today

Today the USS New York navy ship entered New York City "to pay tribute to 911 victims." The bow of the ship was cast from 7.5 tons of metal melted down from the Twin Towers steel frame remnants.

Interesting how 911 was used as an excuse to go to war, and now the remains of the towers are used to build a war ship. Well, at least this conceals the metal so that thermite testing on the remnants will not be possible. Just one more nail in the cover-up coffin.

[jibbguy]

Here's a set of 2 vids that makes some compelling arguments for the 2nd airliner hitting the towers to be all "CG" hoax.

SeptemberClues.info | The Central Role of the News Media on 9/11

The synchronized news broadcasts 0f the 5 networks shown in Part 2 are very interesting (just click the "continue" button to see #2).

[h20power]

When it comes to the events of 9/11 I will stick with only the hard evidence for this is the very meat we need to pursue inorder to bring and end to this war and their plans for a new world order. YouTube - Richard Gage on KMPH Fox 26 in Fresno CA - Nano-Thermite Explosive Used on 9/11
For at the time, 2001, only a handfull of companies where capable of making this thermitic matireal, the main one being the military and the companies they contract to do the work for them. This is where all efforts should be lauch to get to the bottom of this. The hopes of keeping America alive are in pursuing this to the end and leave no stone unturned.

All the rest is speculation since their is no hard eveidence.


h2opower.

[Nadda]

Here's a set of 2 vids that makes some compelling arguments for the 2nd airliner hitting the towers to be all "CG" hoax.

SeptemberClues.info | The Central Role of the News Media on 9/11

The synchronized news broadcasts 0f the 5 networks shown in Part 2 are very interesting (just click the "continue" button to see #2).

I havent watched all of the video in that link you posted. It does seem very interesting, such as one feed having no background while others do. What is interesting is that so many media feeds were from the exact same angle..

However there are quite a few obvious inncorrect points that the video makes, one being the path of the incomming plane. The video trys to distinguish two different flight paths, but the two video feeds theyre using are at different angles when the creator charts the path. Only when the feeds are at the exact angle does the creator display the path (which implys two different paths when in fact it is not) Also, they assume the sun reflecting off the building corner is the sky in the background, they wonder why you couldnt see the plane, its because your not looking at the background sky.

Are they trying to make a case for it being a missle and not a plane that hit the tower? Wouldnt people on the ground notice weather a plane was really there or not?

[MythMath]

JASSM cruise missiles do kinda look like jet planes:



Slap on a nice paint job and some nifty decals and voila...

Many ear- and eye-witnesses reported what they perceived
was indeed a missile, and not a commercial airliner...

[Mad Scientist]

Wouldnt people on the ground notice weather a plane was really there or not?

I would certainly think so!


I agree there is no need to invent possible scenarios of what might have happen on 911. There are plenty of real inconsistencies that can be looked at. Such as:

How could all the alleged 19 razor-blade box cutter-equipped Muslim perpetrators have been identified in less than 72 hours?

How come eight of them have now been found alive and living in different countries?

How could a terrorists passport have been magically found buried among the World Trade Centers debris when not a single supposedly indestructible flight recorder was found

What are the odds of transponders in four different planes be turned off almost simultaneously, in the same geographical area, very close to the nation's seat of power in Washington, and yet no fighters were scrambles to investigate?

A number of very experienced airline pilots stated that only crack pilots could have performed such complex maneuvers on the hijacked jets, while others insisted they could only have been accomplished by remote control. How was it then that terrorists who couldn’t even fly a Cessna were up to the task?

How come a substantial number of witnesses swear seeing and hearing multiple explosions in both towers of the WTC before their collapse?

How come many reputed architects and engineers are adamant that the “official narrative” of burning jet fuel simply does not explain the collapse of the Twin Towers as well as the collapse of WTC building 7, which was not even hit by a jet? There have been many high rise fires in steel frame building around the world yet these are the only ones that have collapsed and they somehow managed to collapse within there own foot print. Just like a controlled demolition.

Why did Mayor Rudolph Giuliani instantly authorized the shipment of WTC rubble to China and India for recycling? Was he aware that evidence of explosives might be found?

Why was metallic debris found 8 MILES from the crash site of the plane that went “straight down” in Pennsylvania? Was that plane in fact shot down?

These are some question I would like to see answered. Of course if they were answered that would probably go a long way to showing who is actually in control of our government and naturally that must not be allowed to happen.

[rickoff]

Many interesting facts about the 911 "hijackers"

The Underlying Politics of 9/11

[rickoff]

911 TV alert

Today on TV the History Channel is running several hours of 911 related programs, which are currently underway as I write. Of special interest will be the "Conspiracies" program airing from 5PM to 7PM Eastern time, which will focus on many of the popular conspiracy theories found on the Internet. It will be interesting to see how they treat the conspiracy point of view, and whether any of the theories are given serious consideration or just brushed aside. Be sure to watch this, and let's have a discussion about what we see.

Rick

[Mad Scientist]

I missed the program, but I somehow I doubt they will treat it seriously. Hopefully they will prove me wrong.
I would expect that they will examine some of the more outlandish claims, debunk them, and then by inference have you assume that all claims are baseless.

[aljhoa]

History Channel Debunkers Won

Today on TV the History Channel is running several hours of 911 related programs, which are currently underway as I write. Of special interest will be the "Conspiracies" program airing from 5PM to 7PM Eastern time, which will focus on many of the popular conspiracy theories found on the Internet. It will be interesting to see how they treat the conspiracy point of view, and whether any of the theories are given serious consideration or just brushed aside. Be sure to watch this, and let's have a discussion about what we see.

Rick

Those that are swayed by Mechanics Illustrated or others please review the comprehensive link on 911.
Netctr.com - 911 Exposed - 9/11 Truth
Al

[rickoff]

Hi aljhoa,

I too was disappointed in how the History Channel handled the conspiracy point of view, but pretty much expected to be disappointed somewhat. More on my thoughts about the program can be read here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/74828-post170.html

Rick

[rickoff]

The flights that never flew on 9/11

The flights that never flew

According to flight departure statistics available from the US government's Bureau of Transportation Statistics website BTS, there are no records of American Airlines flights 11 or 77 leaving their scheduled origin airports on the day of the WTC or Pentagon attacks. The statistics do show that American Airlines flight 11 was listed as a regularly scheduled flight departing from Boston's Logan Airport, with a scheduled local(Eastern)departure time of 7:45 AM. The statistics also show that American Airlines flight 77 was a regularly scheduled flight departing from Washington DC's Dulles Airport, with a scheduled local departure time of 8:10 AM. Data is shown for flight 11 and flight 77 for the two days prior to September 11, 2001, but for September 11 no data is available for either of these flights. American Airlines is required by Federal regulations, as stated in 14 CFR, Chapter II, Section 234.4, to report 21 data factors for all flights, both scheduled and unscheduled. These statistical factors are fully defined in a online viewable, and downloadable pdf format document, from the Bureau of Transportation at BTSdocument, and Section 234.4 is viewable on page 2 of that document. Public viewing of flight Detailed Statistics for Departures is limited to 12 of the 21 mandated statistical fields, and includes the following data: Carrier code (AA in this case), date of scheduled flight, flight number (shown as 0011 and 0077 for flights 11 and 77 respectively), tail number (this is shown because any plane owned by the airline can be assigned to the flight on a particular day. The statistics show, for example, that on September 9, 2001, flight 11 was assigned to a plane having tail number N315AA, but that the same flight was assigned to a plane with tail number N321AA on September 10, 2001), destination airport, scheduled departure time, actual departure time (this is when the plane leaves the departure gate, after being loaded), scheduled elapsed time in minutes, actual elapsed time in minutes (this would be the total elapsed time from gate departure to gate arrival at the destination airport), departure delay in minutes, wheels-off time (the time at which the departing plane leaves the runway and becomes fully airborne), and taxi-out time (the time required for the airplane to move from the daparting gate to a take-off ready position on the runway. Any scheduled flight that actually departs an airport will have all of these 12 data statistics displayed for public viewing as required by the aforementioned Federal regulations. Bureau of Statistics employees are able to view the 9 additional data fields not available to the public, and these include information about cancelled or delayed departures and reasons for such cancellations or delays. The key data fields of interest, in this topic, are the "actual departure time" (gate departure), and the "wheels-off time." Both of these fields read "00.00" for American Airlines flights 11 and 77 on September 11, 2001, which appears to indicate that neither flight departed the boarding gate, and neither became airborne on that day. Furthermore, the tail number for each of these flights is listed as "unknown." It is logical to conclude, therefore, that no plane was assigned to either flight. The fact that a plane crashes does not nullify the requirement for reporting of Departure Statistics. Indeed, both United Airlines flights 175 and 93, which are also said to have crashed on September 11, 2001, do have Departure Statistics reported.

[rickoff]

Here's a link to info on a just recently introduced 9/11 video which is worth watching, and covers a lot of ground in under 5 minutes.

[mbrownn]

I think that just about sums it up.

[Mad Scientist]

The entire history all in 5 minute and they didn't miss much. WOW!