Indict Bush Now

[Aaron]

Sign the IndictBushNow Referendum

I want the Obama administration to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate former President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for high crimes and misdemeanors, and to have the case prosecuted accordingly.


IndictBushNow.org:

[Vortex]

Aaron, I had heard somewhere there was something in a bill, which
did pass, before bush left office that protects all "the gang" within the US against any charges and/or penalties.

No last minute pardons as it is usually done.

I don't know if the wording also prevented an investigation.

Only international charges, from outside the US, can have any effect.
From what I understand we, in the US, can not effectively do anything.

I'm sorry I don't have any more information about this.. I was so pissed
off when I heard about it I just wanted to forget about it and did not
validate the information.

Randy

[Aaron]

spanish court

Hi Randy,

For international, I know that a Spanish court wanted to charge Bush/Cheney for their criminal acts. Can probably find plenty on google about it - mostly about the torture issue I believe.

I think anything here that is illegally passed can't be used as protection. We'll just have to see if Obama and the rest have any integrity. So far, they don't have a very good track record.

spanish court bush cheney - Google Search

[Joit]

Thanks for the Link, i will help sproading it, i am in Europe ;D

[jibbguy]

Vortex, it's possible you may be combining two different similar events.

There were multiple lines in a few of bush's "Signing Statements" and "Presidential Orders" that were supposed to try to give them immunity, but those were only worth the paper they were printed on while he was in office (they had no real Legal weight at all, no matter what they claim). There were never any specific actual Congressional Bills offered on that subject; they all must be recorded by number and be made public. So there is nothing at all to stop the bush crime family from being Indicted (as indeed, they have been in more than one European country, and can never travel there now lol).

Then there was the closed secret sessions of the House of Representatives in the Summer and Fall of '08 where they were reported to have given the Congresspersons all a bunch of cr*p about Iraq and Iran disguised as "secret intel about terrorists", that was really about forcing these Congresspersons to never talk about it openly (which also had info about the torturing at Gitmo and other crimes)... So just by being present and listening to the administration's "briefing", because of national security laws, these Congressional Members' hands were tied in ever questioning it openly! Clever little trick

That is why Dennis Kucinich and a hand-full of others refused to attend those secret sessions.

But it will take Obama's OK to make any Indictments happen. Judiciary Committee head Conyers and Speaker Pelosi will never do it on their own (lol, even though Conyers actually WROTE A BOOK about impeaching bush before the 2006 elections). And most believe Obama won't do it either: That this current talk in the press is all just to try and placate the Left somehow, because we are totally pissed off at the current disgusting state of affairs: Nothing of importance regarding "Rule of Law" changing since bush, and the cries for real healthcare reform being completely ignored by the Senate despite the majority of the population being for universal not-for-profit healthcare... And because many are now starting to openly talk about forming a new powerful coalition third party without all the corporatist liars and corrupt pocket-sitters in it.

[Aaron]

Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a prosecutor to "look at the facts and apply

Washington Post editorial calls for a prosecutor
The flood gates have been opened!

The July 27 Washington Post lead editorial calls
for Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a
prosecutor to "look at the facts and apply the law."

We will succeed! The indictment and prosecution of those who committed crimes during the Bush era will soon become a reality. Nothing is more important to restore the Constitution.

The flood gates have been opened because of the massive grassroots intervention by you and hundreds of thousands of others who have petitioned, sent emails and letters, and made phone calls that deluged the White House, Justice Department, Congress and the mass media.

The Washington Post lead editorial today calls for Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a prosecutor to "look at the facts and apply the law" for the "violent deaths of detainees" in U.S. custody.

This is a remarkable development. The pressure to appoint a prosecutor will not go away until justice is served.

Once the prosecution opens, it will lead inevitably to the doorsteps of Dick Cheney and George W. Bush. It was they who ordered the torture, secret assassination teams, the breathtaking massive spying operation against the American people and, most importantly, launched a war of aggression in Iraq that led to the deaths of nearly 1 million people at the cost of nearly $2 trillion.

Now we are entering the next stage of the IndictBushNow movement. We must guarantee that the truth be told—all the truth—and that the prosecution not end with the indictment of low-level officials and operatives.

Please make an urgently needed donation now so that we can sustain this national movement, place newspaper ads and provide the general public with the full story of the unfolding details and revelations of the criminality of the Bush Administration.

[Aaron]

New York Times says: Bush's cover-up must end!

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New York Times says:
Bush's cover-up must end!


Bush claims that every day of his presidency
was "joyous." What an outrage!

The impact of the Indict Bush movement is growing daily.

Yesterday, the New York Times took the Obama administration to task for shielding Bush era officials and policies from the growing "public clamor for prosecuting those responsible" for torture, secret prisons and other criminal abuses.

It is the efforts of you and thousands of others that are creating this "public clamor" for prosecution.

It is highly significant that the Times warned the White House of the "danger of turning President George W. Bush's cover-up of abuses committed in the name of fighting terrorism into President Barack Obama's cover-up."

A monumental political confrontation is taking shape. Its outcome will impact generations to come.

On the one hand is the growing pressure on the White House from the CIA and Bush, Cheney and their cronies to back off prosecution for Bush era crimes.

On the other side is IndictBushNow and the broad movement that is an expression of the power of grassroots democracy in action. It is only the determined action of 'We The People' that has sustained the pressure for accountability. The New York Times editorial is a reflection of the actions of hundreds of thousands of people.

Please help us pay for the leaflets, newspaper ads, local and national rallies, lobbying efforts and other expenses associated with this nationwide effort. Click here to donate.

Bush is out there raising huge amounts of money to restore his image. What an outrage. Yesterday, he was paid somewhere in the range of $100,000 to make a motivational speech in Fort Worth. He said that while he was commander-in-chief "every day was joyous."

Joyous? One cannot help think about the victims of his torture regime, the one million Iraqi families that lost a loved one, the tens of thousands of soldiers and marines who died or suffered life-changing injuries in a war premised on lies and government deceit. One cannot help think about the millions of families who lost jobs and homes as the economy was looted and driven into the ground.

Please help continue this work by making an urgently needed donation today.

[Aaron]

New York Times: The Cover-Up Continues

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/op...26mon1.html?em

The Cover-Up Continues

Published: October 25, 2009

The Obama administration has clung for so long to the Bush administration’s expansive claims of national security and executive power that it is in danger of turning President George W. Bush’s cover-up of abuses committed in the name of fighting terrorism into President Barack Obama’s cover-up.

We have had recent reminders of this dismaying retreat from Mr. Obama’s passionate campaign promises to make a break with Mr. Bush’s abuses of power, ashift that denies justice to the victims of wayward government policies and shields officials from accountability.

In Britain earlier this month, a two-judge High Court panel rejected arguments made first by the Bush team and now by the Obama team and decided to make public seven redacted paragraphs in American intelligence documents relating to torture allegations by a former prisoner at Guantánamo Bay. The prisoner, Binyam Mohamed, an Ethiopian-born British national, says he was tortured in Pakistan, Morocco and at a C.I.A.-run prison outside Kabul before being transferred to Guantánamo. He was freed in February.

To block the release of those paragraphs, the Bush administration threatened to cut its intelligence-sharing with Britain, an inappropriate threat that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton repeated. But the court concluded that the actual risk of harm to intelligence-sharing was minimal, given the close relationship between the two countries. The court also found a “compelling public interest” in disclosure, and said that nothing in the disputed seven paragraphs — a summary of evidence relating to the involvement of the British security services in Mr. Mohamed’s ordeal — had anything to do with “secret intelligence.”

The Obama administration has expressed unhappiness with the ruling, and the British government plans to appeal. But the court was clearly right in recognizing the importance of disclosure “for reasons of democratic accountability and the rule of law.”

In the United States, the Obama administration is in the process of appealing a sound federal appellate court ruling last April in a civil lawsuit by Mr. Mohamed and four others. All were victims of the government’s extraordinary rendition program, under which foreigners were kidnapped and flown to other countries for interrogation and torture.

In that case, the Obama administration has repeated a disreputable Bush-era argument that the executive branch is entitled to have lawsuits shut down whenever it makes a blanket claim of national security. The ruling rejected that argument and noted that the government’s theory would “effectively cordon off all secret actions from judicial scrutiny, immunizing the C.I.A. and its partners from the demands and limits of the law.”

The Obama administration has aggressively pursued such immunity in numerous other cases beyond the ones involving Mr. Mohamed. We do not take seriously the government’s claim that it is trying to protect intelligence or avoid harm to national security.

Victims of the Bush administration’s “enhanced interrogation techniques,” including Mr. Mohamed, have already spoken in harrowing detail about their mistreatment. The objective is to avoid official confirmation of wrongdoing that might be used in lawsuits against government officials and contractors, and might help create a public clamor for prosecuting those responsible. President Obama calls that a distracting exercise in “looking back.” What it really is is justice.

In a similar vein, Mr. Obama did a flip-flop last May and decided to resist orders by two federal courts to release photographs of soldiers abusing prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq. Last week, just in time to avoid possible Supreme Court review of the matter, Congress created an exception to the Freedom of Information Act that gave Secretary of Defense Robert Gates authority to withhold the photos.

We share concerns about inflaming anti-American feelings and jeopardizing soldiers, but the best way to truly avoid that is to demonstrate that this nation has turned the page on Mr. Bush’s shameful policies. Withholding the painful truth shows the opposite.

Like the insistence on overly broad claims of secrecy, it also avoids an important step toward accountability, which is the only way to ensure that the abuses of the Bush years are never repeated. We urge Mr. Gates to use his discretion under the new law to release the photos, sparing Americans more cover-up.

[Aaron]

Ramsey Clark chosen to head commission to investigate Bush crimes

For there to be any peace in the world, there has to be justice. No one is
above the law.

There is mention below of the helicopter incident, it involves 2 children
in a van. This video shows the us military outright murdering people walking
around on the street and shooting up a van, which they can see two
children are sitting inside. This is very graphic and violent so you are
warned about the content.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH9xSHcFreY
Anyone that does watch it, I hope this inspires
you to spread this web address to everyone you know:
IndictBushNow.org:

By the way, Wikileaks has been posting some very damaging information.
That includes over half a million (550,000) text messages that were sent
on 911 including messages before the buildings were hit from firemen,
Pentagon officials, etc... and all kind of civilian messages. They were
intercepted and were anonymously posted. I have been trying to get back
on Wikileaks but last night the site was taken down. Hope it is up again
soon. The TRUTH will prevail!

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Ramsey Clark chosen to head commission
to investigate Bush crimes

We have exciting news to report.

On April 3, at a meeting of over 150 lawyers, legal scholars and human rights campaigners, Ramsey Clark, founder of Indict Bush Now, was chosen to be the chairperson of an international campaign to investigate war crimes committed by officials from the Bush administration.

Representatives at the meeting held in Beirut, Lebanon, came from all over the world. The campaign will investigate the lies, deceit and manipulation leading up to the Iraq war; the conduct of the war itself against an essentially defenseless country; and the horrors of the continued occupation.

Lawyers and judges in several countries are exploring prosecution.
Ramsey Clark emphasized that it is the imperative responsibility of the American people to relentlessly pursue this investigation, and to seek prosecution and indictment inside of the United States.

The culture of criminal conduct started at the top in the White House itself and seeped far down the chain of command. The White House is responsible for these crimes—from the hideous torture scenes at Abu Ghraib prison to the shockingly grotesque, cold-blooded murder of innocent civilians by U.S. helicopter pilots in Baghdad in 2007, as shown in a video released this week.

The chilling video came to light because two of the killed Iraqis happened to be Reuters journalists, and because of the heroic effort of a whistleblower inside the Pentagon who leaked the video posted by WikiLeaks. The Pentagon undoubtedly has hundreds or thousands of similar videos that are kept under lock and key.

Prosecuting only a few low-level people would be a calculated effort to deflect away from those in high places who are ultimately responsible.
Ramsey Clark made the point that all the war crimes and crimes against humanity flow from the commission of the most supreme crimes which he identified as the Crimes against Peace. This was the finding at the Nuremberg trial, and it is enshrined in the Nuremberg Principles.

This now galvanized international movement will also conduct independent inquiries in several countries to review the conduct of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, Yoo and other Bush-era officials.

We want to thank you and the hundreds of thousands of people who are unflagging in their pursuit of justice and government accountability. People around the world—including right here in the U.S.—are encouraged by these efforts. This is a struggle that will be defining not only for this but for future generations. The outcome will send a message to current and future leaders that criminal conduct will never be tolerated or condoned.

[Mad Scientist]

I have no doubt that Bush might have allowed a few illegal things to take past on his watch. However I seriously doubt that the current administration will do anything about it, they have too many skeletons in their closet to risk making waves. While I think an investigation into what he allowed to that place could prove interesting I would be surprised if this ever happens. As I suspect that the “powers that be” the ones who are really in control would probably find this to be a bit too embarrassing thus those pushing for this will in one way or the other be bought or scared off.

The only way I see this changing is if we can find to way to get the sheeple to wake up to the fact something is very very wrong here and when people finally say OK I had enough I’m going to vote for the other party, that’s a start but unfortunately that will not fix this problem.

On issues like the economy and war we only need to look back at history to see that comparing Democrats to Republicans is like comparing tweedledee to tweedledum.

We need a whole new group of people who have actually read the constitution and understand what it means and are willing to but it in practice.

[Mad Scientist]

I have no doubt that Bush might have allowed a few illegal things to take place on his watch. However I seriously doubt that the current administration will do anything about it, they have too many skeletons in their closet to risk making waves. While I think an investigation into what he allowed to that place could prove interesting I would be surprised if this ever happens. As I suspect that the “powers that be” the ones who are really in control would probably find this to be a bit too embarrassing thus those pushing for this will in one way or the other be bought or scared off.

The only way I see this changing is if we can find to way to get the sheeple to wake up to the fact something is very very wrong here and when people finally say OK I had enough I’m going to vote for the other party, that’s a start but unfortunately that will not fix this problem.

On issues like the economy and war we only need to look back at history to see that comparing Democrats to Republicans is like comparing tweedledee to tweedledum.

We need a whole new group of people who have actually read the constitution and understand what it means and are willing to but it in practice.

[Aaron]

movements

I seriously doubt that the current administration will do anything about it, they have too many skeletons in their closet to risk making waves. While I think an investigation into what he allowed to that place could prove interesting I would be surprised if this ever happens. As I suspect that the “powers that be” the ones who are really in control would probably find this to be a bit too embarrassing thus those pushing for this will in one way or the other be bought or scared off.

The only way I see this changing is if we can find to way to get the sheeple to wake up to the fact something is very very wrong here and when people finally say OK I had enough I’m going to vote for the other party, that’s a start but unfortunately that will not fix this problem.

At this point in time, that could be the most likely scenario.

I COMPLETELY agree that the general mainstream masses are in a
comfortable bubble that is begging to be popped.

But I think there are so many people already awake that if they could all
shake hands, there are way more than necessary to cause real change.

I believe that regardless of the probability of what the federal
govt will or will not do, we all need the mindset that justice will be
done anyway, without compromise, or we're automatically defeated.

The 911 truth movement is growing, movements about the truth about
the federal reserve are growing as well as plenty of others such as the
state sovereignty movements asserting the 10th amendment and telling
the feds to butt out, etc...

I personally believe they are shaking in their boots and most people think
they have more power and control than they actually do.

Even if there is a 99% chance that no justice will be done, I'm guilty
if I don't give it my all.

The perspectives on this video are specific plans of action and not far
fetched I think.
YouTube - The Solution, Schaeffer Cox Speaks on the Future of the Liberty Movement

It is sad that these things even have to be considered.

[Mad Scientist]

I personally believe they are shaking in their boots and most people think
they have more power and control than they actually do.

YouTube - The Solution, Schaeffer Cox Speaks on the Future of the Liberty Movement

It is sad that these things even have to be considered.

This is why I believe we are seeing this massive push for greater governmental control over all aspects of our lives. The “powers that be” realize that if they must get their so called security measures, healthcare and carbon taxes, etc. passed before more people wake up to the reality of these bills, otherwise all their years of careful planning will have been wasted.

Concurrently we are also seeing an all out effort to ridicule and demonize, rather then debate, the Tea parties, 911 truthers, and of course those totally unpatriotic birthers who would dare question why anyone would spend over a million dollars just to prevent having to show their birth certificate.

I watched that video/lecture, now there is someone that understands what is going on and is out doing something about it. I like really liked the part where he made his declaration statement. I will send that link to others.

[Schpankme]

I watched that video/lecture, now there is someone that understands what is going on and is out doing something about it. I like really liked the part where he made his declaration statement. I will send that link to others.

YouTube - "I'll Pull Out" by Roy Zimmerman

Schpankme

"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." - George W. Bush, Jr.