Recession Ending

[future pather]

I don't know, in my world things are looking pretty good. Obama is not only doing things to help families, like first time homebuyers credit, like making it possible for people to refinance rather than lose their homes, etc. (And sorry I disagree that those were bad moves.)

He also cracked down on money in Swiss banks that we should be getting taxes from but rich people were able to get out of that in the past.

He is making it a top priority from keeping health insurance and big pharma from continuing to rip us off to outlandish measures. (And I think most would agree this is a HUGE risk, not only politically bc of smear campaigns, but also literally as in I think I know who really killed JFK and Senator Heinz Deadly 1991. Two Senators Deaths Predict the Demise of a Presidency by Virginia McCullough and Kathryn Joanne Dixon .)

Right now the G-20 leaders are working on limiting bank profits. I think they deserve our support.

My point is he is not just writing checks and giving away money, he is reigning in abuse and trying to get help to people who really need and deserve it.


The G-20 leaders gathered with their spouses for a welcoming reception at a botanical reserve, and then they parted for separate banquets Thursday night.

Throughout the day, world leaders descended on the comeback city of Pittsburgh to debate how to keep a fragile global recovery going.

Geithner said the G-20 countries had reached a consensus on the "basic outline" of a proposal to limit bankers' compensation by the end of this year. He said it would involve setting separate standards in each of the countries and would be overseen by the Financial Stability Board, an international group of central bankers and regulators.

Until now, European countries had pressed harder than the U.S. for limits.

"Europeans are horrified by banks, some reliant on taxpayers' money, once again paying exorbitant bonuses," said European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.

But Geithner predicted the proposed crackdown on bankers' bonuses would be in place by the end of the year.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel also said she was optimistic that far-reaching agreements are possible in Pittsburgh. She warned against focusing too much on imbalances in the world economy, but added, "I think we have a chance to reach progress in all important fields."

Obama, who arrived from U.N. meetings in New York at mid-afternoon Thursday, chose Pittsburgh as the summit site because the formerly struggling Rust Belt city has transformed itself economically into a rebounding, environmentally conscious community with a diversified economy.

G-20 leaders near banker-pay limits amid protests - Yahoo! News

[rickoff]

What color are those glasses?

I don't know, in my world things are looking pretty good.

Say Jess, what color lenses are you wearing in your photo?

My point is he is not just writing checks and giving away money, he is reigning in abuse and trying to get help to people who really need and deserve it.

Like ACORN, for example? Talk about abuse! The abuse was so bad that the House has now voted to defund ACORN.

Geithner said the G-20 countries had reached a consensus on the "basic outline" of a proposal to limit bankers' compensation by the end of this year. He said it would involve setting separate standards in each of the countries and would be overseen by the Financial Stability Board, an international group of central bankers and regulators.

Please realize that Geithner held a high position on the Federal Reserve Board before appointment to his current position. The Federal Reserve is not a Federal institution at all, and in fact is an illegal entity which is pilfering our country's wealth. An international group of central bankers is the last group of people on earth that we should allow to oversee banker compensation. It's totally absurd!

[future pather]

So Rick you think it's a coincidink that I have a positive attitude and my city is kind of kicking everyone's ass right now?

(I get e-mail updates from ACORN and they definitely have there side to the story. Smear campaign or not, they got defunded. What are you complaining about?)

I have the best governor, mayor, county exec and now president. I've been enthralled with the political integrity of these guys and other of my reps for years and what happens? Things just keep getting better here.

This is a weekly webzine. If you really read the links, like under Pittsburgh Innovates, I'm quite sure you will be impressed. If you want to feel good about the economy, subscribe. As I said this is merely a week's worth of Pgh news. Every week there is more and more.

Pop City - Pittsburgh

Beat us, join us, or don't even try. Up to you

[rickoff]

Reply to Jessica:

More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned us as to what would happen if private banks ever gained control of the issue of our currency.

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..'


Now we see that what Jefferson said is unfolding before our eyes. The Federal Reserve, a private banking institution, "creates" money out of nothing with the stroke of a pen, and then "loans" that money to other banks, and to our government, at an inflated price which bears the interest rate of the "loan." There is absolutely no reason why our government can not print and distribute currency on their own, rather than pay interest to these private bankers. Two past presidents, after announcing plans to do just that, were shot in the head shortly thereafter - Lincoln and Kennedy. Hows that for a "coincidink?"


The only thing that could save us from total demise of the dollar would be to abolish the Federal Reserve, declare all interest payments made or owed to that institution as illegal and therefore not a debt obligation, and confiscate all wealth obtained by those illegal activities. But do you think that anyone in our government has the backbone to demand this? I don't think that we will even hear a word about this uttered by Obama, and certainly his appointment of Geithner (former president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York) as Treasury Secretary was no accident. With this bold move, the private bankers have usurped total control of the Treasury.


The optimistic outlook that you see in Pittsburgh cannot last. Spending money like a drunken sailor creates the illusion that things are improving, but when reality sets in and that borrowed money has to be repaid in the form of higher taxes that no one can afford, the tide will quickly turn.


As to ACORN: For starters, ACORN and its top officials are under indictment in 15 states for voter fraud and related activities. Last month Las Vegas election officials said that 48% of the voter registration forms gathered by ACORN workers were clearly fraudulent. The most recent spotlight on ACORN was revealed last week in an undercover operation conducted by an attractive 20 year old woman posing as a prostitute and a 25 year old producer who played the role of her pimp – the total cost $2,300. They visited five different ACORN locations across the country and in each case they were seeking advice and assistance in how to bring in 13 girls from El Salvador and establish their own brothel. As explained to the ACORN ‘helpers’ these girls ranged in age from 12 to 15 years of age. In every case the ACORN people gave them advice on how to set up a company for prostitution with helpful comments such as how these girls might be taken as dependents on their tax returns and how to classify prostitution as artistic performers on corporate applications. For good measure they gave advice on how to avoid federal income taxes. Not once in these visits to five different ACORN offices were they cautioned about the illegality of bringing into the country minors for immoral purposes or question them about why they would want to proceed in such a shady transaction. They were all more than eager to help. - (from a news story by Jerry Jackson, appearing in the September 24 issue of the Sun Times.) To quote Jerry's opening statement in the article, which really says it all, "To say that ACORN is corrupt is like saying a 5 inch rain soaks the ground."

ACORN – the final insult - Heber Springs, AR - The Sun-Times


Rick

[future pather]

Many have offered different forms of "proof" that we have a horrible future to look forward to. All I can say about the domesday attitude is best of luck with that.

Apparently some people still find ACORN's work valuable. From one of their messages:

. . .it must be said that ACORN has never lost the support the people who matter most -- those who live in the communities of color and the low- and moderate-income neighborhoods where we do our work.

In this, our time of need, ACORN supporters arrived with more offerings of help than I ever expected. Visitors to our website donated over $50,000 since Fox aired the attacks -- that's more than ACORN had raised online in the previous 12 months combined.

I'm not an insider on ACORN so I will leave it at that.

[rickoff]

Domesday?? What's that?

Many have offered different forms of "proof" that we have a horrible future to look forward to. All I can say about the domesday attitude is best of luck with that.

Haven't heard of that one before, Jess. Perhaps you meant to say doomsday attitude? Well, consider this: Waking up to the fact that we are being led down a path of inevitable destruction and financial collapse can only produce a doomsday defeatist attitude in those who are willing to accept the demise that big government, bankers, and corporations are foisting upon us, and who believe we have no other choice. I, for one, refuse to accept their plans. I recognize that we do have a choice in the matter. We can choose to believe that big government, bankers, and corporations know what is best for us and can be trusted to safeguard our best interests. Or, we can stand up together, as true patriots, against those who would bring our country to its knees, and say, "Enough is enough!" The former choice ensures ruination, defeat, and death or slavery of the masses - which is nothing short of a doomsday scenario. The latter choice offers us a chance to survive, and to have the freedom to determine our own future.

Apparently some people still find ACORN's work valuable.

Are you one of them? Sure, some people will continue to support and defend ACORN, but who and why is the question that must be asked. Unless you agree that voter fraud is no big deal, and that ACORN officials' offering of advice on the following items is just fine with you, then why would you offer anything in their defense? Keep in mind that exposing these activities was not an attack based upon limited evidence of wrongdoing by one or two ACORN officials, but rather upon repeated illegal and reprehensible advice given by ACORN officials in several large cities across the United States - Baltimore, Washington DC, New York, San Bernardino, and San Diego. Here is the advice that they unhesitatingly offered:

1. On establishing a brothel using underage illegal immigrant children.
2. On establishing these children as "dependents" for tax purposes.
3. On declaring the prostitutes as "artistic performers."
4. On applying for a government housing loan for the brothel.
5. On utilizing every possible method to appear legal while maximizing tax cheat exclusions to liability.
6. Assistance in smuggling the children into the United States (see San Diego ACORN expose).

Don't believe it? Here is the proof, or "proof," as you would say:
Baltimore: Exclusive Story | Full Audio | Full Transcript
DC: Exclusive Story | Full Audio | Full Transcript
New York: Exclusive Story | Full Audio | Full Transcript
San Bernardino: Exclusive Story| Full Audio | Full Transcript
San Diego: Exclusive Story | Full Audio and Transcript, Part I | Full Audio and Transcript, Part II

See also these videos taped at official ACORN centers:
Baltimore Part 1: YouTube - ACORN Baltimore Prostitution Investigation Part I
Baltimore Part 2: YouTube - ACORN Baltimore Prostitution Investigation Part II
DC Part 1: YouTube - ACORN DC Prostitution Investigation Part I
DC Part 2: YouTube - ACORN DC Prostitution Investigation Part II
New York Part 1: YouTube - ACORN NYC Child Prostitution Investigation Part I
New York Part 2: YouTube - ACORN NYC Child Prostitution Investigation Part II
San Bernardino Part 1: YouTube - ACORN San Bernadino Child Prostitution Investigation Part I
San Diego Part 1: YouTube - ACORN San Diego Child Prostitution Smuggling Part I
San Diego Part 2: YouTube - ACORN San Diego Child Prostitution Smuggling Part II

Now really, Jess, can you still support this depraved organization with clear conscience? Or would you concede that this is very real proof of large scale ACORN wrongdoing, and that ACORN should not receive one penny in taxpayer subsidization?

Rick

[Nadda]

Great posts rickoff, i completely agree with everything youve said. Also, thanks for the links on ACORN.

Its no wonder ACORN says they've never lost the support of the people who matter most....thats the people theyre helping to bypass the law.

Amazing how they claim Fox News "attacked" them...
Did Fox News force any of ACORNS employees to do anything? No
It is sickening to know ACORNS employees didnt bat an eye when they knew children were going to be sold as sex slaves. Its a corrupt organization, theres no doubt that wasnt the first time theyve come across illegal activities.

[future pather]

I will repeat about ACORN, what are you complaining about since as you pointed out "House has now voted to defund ACORN."

(By the way Rick were you aware that defund is not in wikipedia and comes up red on my spell check Wow I just wonder what in the world you could have meant or been talking about?)

You ask my opinion about it? I tried to imply (but now I will spell it out for you since you seem to be such a literal, nit-picky jerk - er I mean - guy) that I don’t know the inside story and I am hesitant to judge.

I think anyone who isn’t is pretty much a stuck up elitist who doesn’t have a clue what a ton of people on this planet go through every day and wouldn’t last a day in the life of one of the people ACORN services.

I would also say that it shows that life in other countries can be so bad that some may feel bringing them to America as prostitutes would be a step up for them. Also note, you can tell from each video that although the employees took the bait, it was not at all something they had ever done before or do on a regular basis by any means at all.

[Mad Scientist]

To say that Acorn is helping people is similar to the old adage “if you steal from Peter and give to Paul you can always count on Paul’s support”.

From what I have seen and read it is my opinion that we are watching a carefully planned and deliberate destruction of our economy and it is not the first time. The FRB was created to do just this. When it was created people were told that it would control inflation, since then the dollar has lost 90% of its value. Somehow I don’t think that is the kind of control most people back then were expecting.

Most now agree the Great Depression was caused by the FRB. By creating that depression the bankers were able to foreclose on vast amounts of loans. This caused these now worthless loans, that were backed by real tangible property that was put up as collateral, to be transferred to the bankers.

I believe that the FED feels that it is again time to fleece the sheeple. Thus they will allow the dollar to be destroyed thereby permitting them to take possession of even more of our tangible property. Of course when all hell breaks loose and the people are screaming bloody murder they will step up as our savior by introducing a new world currency.

Then the whole process starts over with the exception that your rights and freedom maybe reduced to that of virtual slavery. Sadly some will find it perfectly acceptable to spend all their time working for and tending to the needs of these elite few.

Of course with enough "positive" thought this does not have to become reality. But first people have to wake up to the fact of what is actually going on around them

[future pather]

To say that Acorn is helping people is similar to the old adage “if you steal from Peter and give to Paul you can always count on Paul’s support”.

No those actors in the vid represented fake people. They didn't stop any crimes from going on. Probably no pimp in America is dumb enough to actually try to get help from ACORN. That's why the ACORN employees displayed this was not something they were used to.

It looks a lot more to me like someone deliberately set out to make ACORN look bad, presenting a fake situation and playing on real peoples desires to help others who really need a help in turning their lives around.

And besides, our tax dollars go to attorneys to represent prostitutes whenever a prostitute gets arrested and requests a public defender. It's bc the government places so much importance on civil rights, even those of prostitutes.

In those cases the attorney does what he can to help the client, even if it is obvious they broke the law.

I'm not saying I would condone ACORN helping someone break the law by that. I'm just saying the way this whole thing went down seems really odd to me.

[rickoff]

Reply to Jessica:

I will repeat about ACORN, what are you complaining about since as you pointed out "House has now voted to defund ACORN."

I'm not complaining - just stating the truth about this vile organization which you apparently support, and backing up my statements with the proof.

(By the way Rick were you aware that defund is not in wikipedia and comes up red on my spell check Wow I just wonder what in the world you could have meant or been talking about?)

No, but it doesn't surprise me. A great deal is not found in Wikipedia, and I didn't think you used a spell checker. Defund means to withdraw funding from, and the word can be found here: defund - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
and here: defund - Definition of defund at YourDictionary.com
and here: http://dictionary.infoplease.com/defund
or here: Defund Definition | Definition of Defund at Dictionary.com

you seem to be such a literal, nit-picky jerk - er I mean - guy

Now exactly what are you saying? That I am a jerk, or that all guys are jerks, and therefore I am one by default? Let's try to be polite here, and not stoop to name calling. And let's cite facts - not unsupported assertions.

I would also say that it shows that life in other countries can be so bad that some may feel bringing them to America as prostitutes would be a step up for them.

Are you one of those who feels this way? I doubt very much that the many thousands of young girls who are smuggled into our country each year and forced into prostitution would agree that this is "a step up for them," as you put it. By and large these children are victims of kidnappings by Mexican gangs who smuggle the children into the United States and sell them to sex trade traffickers. If you haven't seen it already, watch the 2007 Movie Trade for a better understanding of what it is like to be one of these children.

Also note, you can tell from each video that although the employees took the bait, it was not at all something they had ever done before or do on a regular basis by any means at all.

Just saying this convinces me that you didn't even watch the videos. Take the San Bernadino clip, for example. The ACORN official in that video readily states that she worked as a prostitute, that she had girls working for her as prostitues, that Heidi Fleiss (a Hollywood prostitute and madam) was her "hero," that she had shot and killed a man, and saying, " I can kill people - I don't have a problem with that." She also went on to say that she had earned $15,000 a week running her prostitution business, and that she never declared one dime of that income. When this woman is so eager to divulge all this information to a pair of strangers, you can bet that every one of her coworkers is well aware of her background.

The San Diego clip shows an ACORN official who is quite willing to offer advice on smuggling child prostitutes into the United States by way of Tijuana, where he says he has several contacts who can get this done.

Contrary to what you say, I think that all of the videos show that giving illegal and immoral advice to people whose intent is to cheat, defraud, and otherwise break the law is a commonplace activity at ACORN. None of the ACORN officials refused to speak with these people after knowing what advice they were seeking, and that speaks volumes. Any legitimate and conscientious organization would have booted these people out and called the police.

Rick

[future pather]

Ah Rick,

My mistake for taking your questions about my opinion as sincere. I think anyone who doesn’t have an agenda to prove how superior he is can tell exactly what I mean so I’m not going to go into much more of this with you.

Take the San Bernadino clip, for example. The ACORN official in that video readily states that she worked as a prostitute, that she had girls working for her as prostitues, that Heidi Fleiss (a Hollywood prostitute and madam) was her "hero,"

Yes 40 years ago she worked as a prostitute. That has nothing to do with my point about ACORN employees displaying that they had not helped anyone like this fake couple before. She even proves one of my points when they ask her if she ever declared the $ she made. She said no it was cash. People don’t declare that kind of money!! Much less go to ACORN for help doing so.

that she had shot and killed a man

Yeah her abusive husband who she had reported for being abusive. You are coming across as one of those people who don’t have a clue about what so many people go through when you judge someone like that so harshly. I don’t know if you read the Bible but it does not condone that, even for a prostitute.

She also went on to say that she had earned $15,000 a week running her prostitution business, and that she never declared one dime of that income. When this woman is so eager to divulge all this information to a pair of strangers, you can bet that every one of her coworkers is well aware of her background.

So the h what? 40 years ago, have a friggin heart. (Or be prepared to be called a jerk.)

“Let's try to be polite here, and not stoop to name calling.”

I usually extend that courtesy but anyone who labels his post “Domesday?? What's that?” over a typo is a jerk in my book and probably most peoples’. So you start it and then dare instruct me to be polite? I’ve got zero respect for a hypocrite like that.

For that reason I called you, specifically you, no one else at all, Rick and only Rick, a jerk quite deservedly. Handle it or not.

Thanks for the thread bumps though!

[BobBrown]

A good stew always tastes better with more spice.

Hello Everyone.

This was posted by SHARYN, but I think parts of the first intervue are pertinent to where the economy may go from here. Dr Pete Peterson - Interview by Project Camelot & David Wilcock

YouTube - Project Camelot interviews Dr Pete Peterson - part 1 of 3

Or you may goto her post :

http://www.energeticforum.com/genera...d-wilcock.html

Fascinating Interview
And yes I can't spell, maybe I can use Microsoft Word then paste the message here.....Sorry

Andrew T.
PATHS ~ Mind Energetics

[carbideTip]

"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."*

Adrian Rogers, 1931

[rickoff]

Reply to Jessica:

Yes 40 years ago she worked as a prostitute. That has nothing to do with my point about ACORN employees displaying that they had not helped anyone like this fake couple before. She even proves one of my points when they ask her if she ever declared the $ she made. She said no it was cash. People don’t declare that kind of money!! Much less go to ACORN for help doing so.

If in fact the ACORN employees had never before stooped to offering advice and tips for establishing an illegal business (as they claim, and as you would believe), then any reasonable thinking person must ask why they would suddenly reverse policy and offer such information freely, and at numerous ACORN sites, especially when considering the heinous, despicable nature of the proposed business venture. Anyone who would believe ACORN denials, and set themselves up as an ACORN apologist after viewing these videos is IMHO a total ***** (I won't say it, because I don't resort to name calling).

So, "people don't declare that kind of money," huh? Well, honest people do. The vast majority of businesses which accept cash payments for goods or services do report the cash they receive as income, and pay their fair share of taxes upon it. Now keep in mind that ACORN had been funded with 4 billion dollars of tax money which could only come from people who are honest in reporting income and paying those taxes. So it gives those of us who have paid our fair share, all our lives, darned good reason to be hopping mad when we see ACORN employees freely and abundantly offering up tax cheating and evasion advice. The fact that you see nothing wrong with this, and the espousing of your statement, quoted above, leads me to believe that you would not hesitate to employ such tax cheating and evasion tactics in regards to your own financial gain.

Yeah... [ACORN employee Tresa Kaelke shot and killed]... her abusive husband who she had reported for being abusive. You are coming across as one of those people who don’t have a clue about what so many people go through when you judge someone like that so harshly. I don’t know if you read the Bible but it does not condone that, even for a prostitute.

Neither of us knows whether or not the abusive person in this relationship was the husband, or Tresa Kaelke herself, or perhaps both of them. What we do know is that Tresa premeditated the murder of her husband. By her own admission, "before that [the killing] I had done some.., laid some groundwork." In other words, she planned to kill him, and as part of her plan went to a domestic abuse shelter to establish what she hoped others would see as a reasonable motive for the planned killing. We also know that Tresa is quick to resort to, or threaten, violence and thuggery. When learning that the visitors to her ACORN office had disclosed facts about her past illegal activities to residents (the Millers) who live across the street, Tresa threatens, "As soon as you leave, I'm going to go over there [to the Miller residence] to talk to both of them, and threaten them with their lives, because I can kill people and I don't have a problem with that." Well, I do have a problem with that, and believe that any reasonable and conscientious person who reads this would agree. You say that I should "have a friggin heart" when it comes to this woman, "or be prepared to be called a jerk." I am a compassionate man who does have a lot of heart when it comes to those who are in unfortunate circumstances due to no fault of their own, but I feel no sympathy whatsoever for this vile and disgusting creature who you make out to be a victim. She freely chose a life of crime and violence, and profited handsomely from it at the expense of those whom she victimized, including the girls that she prostituted in her own sex ring. You can call me a jerk for taking a stand against despicable people like Tresa Kaelke, and supporting the actions of the investigative journalists who exposed Tresa and ACORN for what they are, but your name calling won't change the facts.

I called you, specifically you, no one else at all, Rick and only Rick, a jerk quite deservedly. Handle it or not.

Oh, don't worry Jessica, I can handle whatever you dish out - especially if the responses you have given are the best that you can throw at me. Everything you have said is totally unsupported by any factual evidence. When shown the undeniable facts and evidence in the matter, you refuse to acknowledge it and instead cling to your shaky position. And with no firm ground left to stand upon to support any of your assertions, you then resort to aggression and name calling. There is no need for that. I politely entered this discussion to correct what I saw as misinformation which you were promoting. My intention was only to engage in congenial debate regarding the facts. Call me anything you want, but just remember that each time you do this you are painting a clearer picture for the rest of us to understand who you truly are. And go ahead and make a plea to others to support your positions, and to further label me with more derogatory names and insults. If anyone will support your position in this argument then let them step up and say so. Several have already shown support for my arguments, and I believe I have already presented a good case concerning the facts, so will leave it all as I have presented it and move on to other subject threads which are more deserving of my attention.

@ Nadda, Mad Scientist, Bob Brown, Vortex, Carbide Tip, WantFreeEnergy, and Aaron:
Thanks for your like-minded posts here and elsewhere concerning the economic situation, as well as government and ACORN corruption.

Best wishes to all,

Rick