Recession Ending

[future pather]

You know, Rick I should have said this a long time ago. . .

The intent of this thread was to appreciate the things that go well for our economy. I would like to request that posts in this thread be focused there.

That way instead of criticizing each others posts you can just post all you want on a different thread and this one can be for positive posts about the economy.

[rickoff]

Sorry Jessica, but the Title of this thread is "Recession Ending," which I am sure you must realize by now was an incorrect assumption, and would better have been posted in a joke thread. And if anything actually is going well for the economy then what is it and where's the proof of it?

[future pather]

Rick,

That sounds like a great thread for you to start a new discussion about.

I don't see things the same way you do.

I do not have any desire to try to convince you of anything.

As I stated, my intent is to celebrate the good things going on for our economy.

You have a totally different agenda.

I do not wish to trade insults with you so I will leave things at that. I have made my request to you. You have so far chosen not to honor it. I am not surprised.

[Mad Scientist]

And if anything actually is going well for the economy then what is it and where's the proof of it?

Well there is the latest multi-billion dollar infusion of printing press money by the FRB into economy. Which as stated was designed to help the bankers and that is a good thing, right?
So I guess we should not be concerned that it will reduce the value of our money.

[future pather]

Would You Guys Please Start A Separate Thread For Your Fears, Complaints, Insults, Disappointments, And Other Negative Things To Say About The Economy.

Otherwise Your Just Damn Bullies.

[rickoff]

Rick,

That sounds like a great thread for you to start a new discussion about.

What does? "Recession Ending?" That's this thread, isn't it?

As I stated, my intent is to celebrate the good things going on for our economy.

Since you can't change the title of this thread to "Celebrating the good things going on for our economy," perhaps it would be best if you started a new thread by that title.

You have a totally different agenda.

Yes, mine is to inform readers of the truth concerning the recession and the economy, and to back up my statements with factual statistics.

I do not wish to trade insults with you so I will leave things at that. I have made my request to you. You have so far chosen not to honor it. I am not surprised.

Feel free to move this thread forward and talk about all the wonderful things that you believe have been happening with our economic situation. As long as you cite factual information I will not challenge what you say.

[rickoff]

Would You Guys Please Start A Separate Thread For Your Fears, Complaints, Insults, Disappointments, And Other Negative Things To Say About The Economy.

Otherwise Your Just Damn Bullies.

I beg to differ. It is you, with the shouting (Capital Letters and boldface type), swearing ("Damn"), and name calling ("Bullies") who sounds like the bully here. Why not tone it down, stop your insults, and simply provide an honest answer to a reasonable question when you receive it? My question to you was, "if anything actually is going well for the economy then what is it and where's the proof of it?" If you can cite something of real substance that is factual then I will gladly agree with you. Likewise, if I should choose to post something herein that is relevant to the topic of the thread title, and is truthful, then I would expect you to have no complaint. After all, this is a public forum and you must learn to accept the fact that not everyone will see things as you do. If you feel that you can not allow any dissenters to participate and debate with you, then it would be better to start a private, invitation only thread.

[future pather]

What insult? I thought I did uninvite your negative posts from this thread.

Most people at forums respect someone's request to keep a thread to a certain intent. I have stated my intent here twice but you deliberately chose not to honor that.

I guess by what you are saying I come off as some kind threat to you(?)

My question now is:

a) Do you not understand the law of attraction?

b) Do you not believe in the law of attraction?

c) Do you simply wish to see everyone poor and starving in the US?

d) Do you have economic investments in the economy doing poorly in the US?

Or

e) other?

[Nadda]

Personally i dont think you can abide by the law of attraction when someone else is making your decisions for you. Such as the government deciding to spend everyones money. How can i not think about debt when they wont stop spending? Obama's greatest wish would be for everyone to ignore the debt. It seems to me that the only way to decrease debt would be for everyone to acknowledge how bad it is right now and to vote out the politicans that wont stop spending. I just dont understand how "thinking positive" will help something like that, but thats just my opinion.

On the other hand i dont think rickoff or anyone else wishes ill will on anyone by speaking their displeasures with the current policies and events taking place. Like i said above, although their posts may sound negitive, how else can you make people aware of the problems and deceitful schemes taking place?

Personally i think Econmic Awareness does the most to get the american people moving in the right direction. Weather things are getting better or getting worse, the more that people are aware is the better decisions i think we can make as a country.

[rickoff]

What insult?

That would be your shouting, swearing, and name calling.

I thought I did uninvite your negative posts from this thread.

What is actually more negative - the truth, even though it is unpleasant to acknowledge, or positive spin that has no basis in reality?

Most people at forums respect someone's request to keep a thread to a certain intent. I have stated my intent here twice but you deliberately chose not to honor that.

Your perceived intent was clearly established in your very first, and subsequent posts, where you attempted to convince everyone that the recession was over and that the future was looking bright. Your conclusions were incorrect, misinformed, and misleading to potential readers of this thread. I disagreed with you, and I certainly wasn't alone. If you go back to page one and browse through all the posts found here, you will realize that not a single person, of the many who posted here, agreed with you. So if you want all the dissenters to leave and not post any further information that is contrary to your outlook, this thread would simply die. Of the more than 11,000 views here, none of the viewers voiced support of your posts. Doesn't that tell you something? Eleven thousand is a fairly decent number, so if the readers didn't find what you posted to be of value then they obviously came here and returned to read interesting and useful information that was posted by others who participated.

I guess by what you are saying I come off as some kind threat to you(?)

Hmmmm... what is a "kind threat?" Can someone actually be threatened by kindness?

My question now is:

a) Do you not understand the law of attraction?

b) Do you not believe in the law of attraction?

c) Do you simply wish to see everyone poor and starving in the US?

d) Do you have economic investments in the economy doing poorly in the US?

Or

e) other?

Hmmm... that actually looks like several questions, although item (e) really doesn't qualify as a question. Although it's not quite fair of you to ask me any question when you won't answer mine, here goes:
(a) No, I do understand.
(b) To an extent, yes of course. My philosophy has always been to maintain a constructive and positive attitude. I know that you perceive that any post that contradicts your view is negativity that breeds further negativity, but I see it as a positive action, and here's why. If we focus on believing that a situation is good when it really isn't then we are deceiving ourselves. It may make us feel better temporarily, but will do nothing to change the situation. As I said early on in this thread, "Waking up to the fact that we are being led down a path of inevitable destruction and financial collapse can only produce a doomsday defeatist attitude in those who are willing to accept the demise that big government, bankers, and corporations are foisting upon us, and who believe we have no other choice. I, for one, refuse to accept their plans. I recognize that we do have a choice in the matter. We can choose to believe that big government, bankers, and corporations know what is best for us and can be trusted to safeguard our best interests. Or, we can stand up together, as true patriots, against those who would bring our country to its knees, and say, "Enough is enough!" The former choice ensures ruination, defeat, and death or slavery of the masses - which is nothing short of a doomsday scenario. The latter choice offers us a chance to survive, and to have the freedom to determine our own future."
(c) No, of course not, but that is exactly where our country is headed if we bury our heads in the sand while allowing the Federal Reserve and Ruling Class socialists to continue their destructive agenda to confiscate the entire wealth of our nation while at the same time tightening their grip on controlling every aspect of our lives.
(d) No, I would have, though, if I had left those investments in place as did so many others. Fortunately, by realizing the truth of our economic situation, I saw the bust coming well before it happened. Of course that doesn't mean that I am untouched by this recession/depression. Just like everyone else, I have to pay higher prices for all the goods and services that I need, and this is doubly difficult on a fixed retirement income. Also, every asset I own, which is valued in US dollars, has been devalued by 20% just in the past 4 months due to the rapid devaluation of the dollar. And don't kid yourself - you are in the same boat. Think not? See this:
http://www.energeticforum.com/117162-post4.html

Rick

[future pather]

Now that I feel Rick has given a good explanation of where he is coming from I would like to request the moderators' support in enforcing my request to keep this thread limited to positive posts about the economy.

I believe that it is common forum etiquette for the originator of a thread to have his/her requests to keep it to a certain focus honored. The reason being it prevents futile arguments and insults by allowing people to share their ideas in separate threads when there is a desire to do so without hostility occurring.

I am trying to do something constructive and even if others don't agree I feel I should have the right to do so without distraction if I desire a thread for that purpose.

You have offered me this assistance in the past when I then chose to spend time away from the forum as a way to avoid uninvited negativity here. This time around I would like to accept your request for help by deleting future posts which do not fit the focus I have mentioned. Thank you.

[Nadda]

So nobody should be allowed to post in your topics unless you approve of they're opinions? Otherwise you'll kick them out? Sounds less like a forum and more like a dictatorship to me...

What is a positive post? A post that blindly agrees with everything Obama and individual corporations are doing? The amount of knowledge and evidence rickoff includes in many of his posts, i think Are positive because it raises awarness.

I think, if you want a thread with the title telling people that only "happy news" is allowed, that you should start a new topic. I dont think its fair to hijack this topic 6 pages later and decide you dont like what people had to say. Besides what is the point of having "happy news" now when people will have to read through 6 pages of "unhappy news" first.

Its just my opinion, hopfully i dont get deleted.

[admin]

Suggestion for a positive solution

This thread was brought to our attention, and while we did not read the entire thread, we did read the first page and the last page.

The Energetic Forum is unique, and we want to keep it that way. One of the reasons is is that we ask that all individuals show respect in their posts for all other individuals posting. It is possible to disagree without it becoming personal. We thank you for keeping this in mind in all your posts.

With that said-

It is not uncommon, nor an unreasonable request, for a person to start a thread and state the purpose of the thread, AND to ask anyone who veers to far of course to start their own thread.

This actually happens quite a bit in the Alternative Energy section of the forum and is completely appropriate.

We also believe that Jessica's statement listed below is a reasonable one, and a good one...IF it was made at the beginning.

"The intent of this thread was to appreciate the things that go well for our economy. I would like to request that posts in this thread be focused there.

That way instead of criticizing each others posts you can just post all you want on a different thread and this one can be for positive posts about the economy."

With so many pages in this thread discussing far-ranging aspects of the economy, both positive and negative, it is late to put this caveat in.

We strongly encourage Jessica to start another thread that is specifically for highlighting things that are going well in the economy. (and state such in the beginning of the thread)

In fact, we believe so strongly in Jessica's intent to have a good positive (LOA) thread about the economy, that if she does not choose to start such a thread in the next few days, we will.

Carry on!

[admin]

So nobody should be allowed to post in your topics unless you approve of they're opinions? Otherwise you'll kick them out? Sounds less like a forum and more like a dictatorship to me...

What is a positive post? A post that blindly agrees with everything Obama and individual corporations are doing? The amount of knowledge and evidence rickoff includes in many of his posts, i think Are positive because it raises awarness.

I think, if you want a thread with the title telling people that only "happy news" is allowed, that you should start a new topic. I dont think its fair to hijack this topic 6 pages later and decide you dont like what people had to say. Besides what is the point of having "happy news" now when people will have to read through 6 pages of "unhappy news" first.

Its just my opinion, hopfully i dont get deleted.

Hi Nadda,

We only delete spam and post that violate our simple guidelines.

[future pather]

So nobody should be allowed to post in your topics unless you approve of they're opinions? Otherwise you'll kick them out? Sounds less like a forum and more like a dictatorship to me...

What is a positive post? A post that blindly agrees with everything Obama and individual corporations are doing? The amount of knowledge and evidence rickoff includes in many of his posts, i think Are positive because it raises awarness.

I think, if you want a thread with the title telling people that only "happy news" is allowed, that you should start a new topic. I dont think its fair to hijack this topic 6 pages later and decide you dont like what people had to say. Besides what is the point of having "happy news" now when people will have to read through 6 pages of "unhappy news" first.

Its just my opinion, hopfully i dont get deleted.

I wish I had done that sooner but how in the world can you say I hijacked my own thread? I didn't want people posting negative stuff here back then either. I certainly don't feel I deserve the blame for that.

The reason I kept up bringing up using different threads is exactly because I'm not trying for a dictatorship. I am trying for a place where people can come and post things they want to focus on and choose not to read threads that they don't vibe with.

I appreciate the moderators solution to this. Thanks