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**rickoff** · 09-30-2009, 03:25 AM

Thanks for your Oath Keepers post, Aaron. I love what they are trying to do, and it's good to see that some are willing to defend the American public, but I wonder how many are willing to take that oath, and whether it is being widely circulated. It would seem that they don't have any brethren in Pittsburgh, or at least not enough of them to stand up to the Gestapo tactics seen there this past week.
YouTube - G20 - Welcome to the New World Order

It seems that what we need is an organized effort by the Oath Keepers to show up at the next likely hot spot, both to single out and take down the unruly few who resort to violence, and to protect the peaceful demonstrators from unwarranted, unconstitutional police tactics. If they don't take things to the front lines now, then where will they be when things get much worse? It would be easier to take effective action in a situation such as the Pittsburgh one, and I think that had that been done it would have sparked great and widespread enthusiasm in others to step up and take the oath. This incident would have garnered national, even worldwide attention, and would have drawn a line in the sand. Now it is an opportunity lost, unfortunately, but it should be a lesson in what is needed.

Best regards,

Rick

**future pather** · 09-30-2009, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by rickoff View Post

It would seem that they don't have any brethren in Pittsburgh, or at least not enough of them . . .

It's really hard to be down on the government when you have the best possible reps.

**Vortex** · 09-30-2009, 09:25 AM

You seem pleased

Originally posted by future pather View Post

It's really hard to be down on the government when you have the best possible reps.

Ok, I will take your word on that, that you have the "best possible reps".
You seem pleased to be able to announce that to us all,,
but that statement has me concerned about your sanity.

I'm happy you have the "best possible" organized criminals stealing your stuff instead of losers like I have, which by the way
are able to steal just as much stuff as the "Best Possible Reps" do or
even more.

When ANYONE takes your things without permission, it's called stealing
and they are a criminal. (believe you can check any bible for this one
so I will not giving a reference link to support my statement.)

Jess, you are over looking the fact that it is wrong to steal,
even if the government does it.

Yes, yes, there is "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."
But if this is the answer, then nothing you have is YOURS, it all is
owned by the government (Ceasar's) and thusly they are not stealing
from you, just taking back their stuff.

IF Government can steal your stuff. (Trick question, be careful)
Ask yourself: "By who's authority?"
Who give them the authority?

"hard to be down on the government" .. A reality check might be required. Take your body down to visit the G-20 location
and enjoy the fresh air there. You'll be enjoying the welcome those
"Best Possible Reps" have planned months, maybe years, in advance for you.

Randy

**Vortex** · 09-30-2009, 03:40 PM

Privatiztion of all Police Forces Begins

Hardin, Montana invaded by private police force (American Police Force)
1st town of 30 and then the entire United States.

TNW LIVE A MERCENARY GROUP TAKES OVER YOUR TOWN

Contains Hardin Local news about takeover.
2-3 NWO Mafia Hire Foreign Mercenaries Creating Militarized Police State in Hardin Montana USA
Montana Town Occupied By Private Paramilitary Security Force

Report to the President on U.S. Preparations for
2009 H1N1 Influenza
President's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology (or PCAST)
The Aug 7, 2009 report is here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/doc...1N1_Report.pdf

At the Federation of American Scientists web site they have a
Department of Homeland Security Resources web page.
This is web page is an eye-full to behold including
Endgame: Office of Detention and Removal Strategic Plan, 2003-2012

**jibbguy** · 09-30-2009, 04:40 PM

Lol, that "American Police Force" is either a total fraudulent operation of pure con-men, or a CIA front. It can't be anything else when you check them out... There is no question they are not "legitimate" as claimed.

They showed up out of nowhere 2 weeks after the state petitioned the Fed government for that prison complex to be the replacement for "Gitmo".

There are yet unconfirmed reports that they went to the townspeople and demanded that they have all their guns registered & "chipped" (illegal and absurd in Montana). So should these reports be confirmed, then they are definitely CIA-backed. No one else would even bother trying that there, lol... Or they could expect to see the citizen's gun barrel at a much closer range than they expected.

So it could be a silly & pathetic CIA plan to get the town under wraps before they send in the "terrorists" moved out from Gitmo, or it could be more sinister (some kind of higher security "FEMA" camp for political dissidents).

Or the whole thing is a red herring to discredit Alex Jones (which would come out in a few days after it reaches max viral web exposure).

We do know that is one of their favorite tactics

**Aaron** · 09-30-2009, 08:19 PM

Pittsburgh Police Bruitality

Originally posted by future pather View Post

It's really hard to be down on the government when you have the best possible reps.

YouTube - Police Brutality in Pittsburgh after the G20

Jessica, the police of Pitt. are violating these people's constitutional rights to a peaceful assembly. Hitting people and knocking them on the ground as they're walking is illegal and is police brutality. These nazi's are no better than any other trouble makers that we have witnessed throughout history.

I hope the ones that were injured sue the your city and are awarded serious damages as well as everyone that was caused to disassemble from their peaceful protest for having their constitutional rights violated.

I think there should be a movement through every state to pass bills that will give double or triple penalty to any law enforcement officer that breaks the law because if they are supposed to enforce it, they better damd well respect the laws themselves.

Your mayor obviously has authorized or let it be authorized for these people to assault peaceful Americans without any cause whatsoever.

These police obviously have no respect for Americans or the constitution and are in serious need of some education.

**ANTIQUER** · 09-30-2009, 08:45 PM

Some interesting history

Some of this is old and general knowledge, but some as the Australian info. is recent. Hmmmm?

Gun History

After reading the following historical facts, read the part
about Switzerland twice.

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.. From 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total
of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century
because of gun control: 56 m illion.

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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by
new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their
own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was
expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The
Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them
of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens.'

Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
most Americans were ARMED!

Communist Doctrine says that they must DISARM
the Population, before they can dominate them!

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message
to all of your friends.

The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more
important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is
supplemental.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
AND They Train every Adult that they issue a Rifle

SWITZ ERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY

CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A N O BRAINER!

DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS

IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment!

If you are too,

please forward.

Just think how powerful our government is getting!
They are out of Control!

They think these other countries just didn't do it right.

We MUST keep our Constitution
and especially the 1st and 2nd Amendments INTACT!

Don't let them take it away from us!!!

Learn from history.

FOOTNOTE: NYC&WASHINGTON, DC HAVE HAD STRICT GUN CONTROL LAWS FOR MANY YEARS. THEY ARE 2 OF THE HIGHEST CRIME RIDDEN CITIES IN AMERICA. ANY IDEA WHY?

Al

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**Aaron** · 09-30-2009, 08:48 PM

Hardin Montana - American Police Force

My friends were sending me this and I searched it and part of the story circulating is a hoax and some appears to be real.

These individuals are really there it seems but they are not barricading the town or doing anything else as some stories are showing. But the whole thing is fishy and being up here in the Inland Northwest, I can tell you that if they pull anything in Montana, that is about one of the last places they will ever want to intimidate people.

Here is the Montana State Sovereignty Bill:
http://data.opi.state.mt.us/BILLS/20...tml/HB0246.htm

If any federal or other "group" tries to infringe on the gun carrying rights of the people on Montana, there will be a revolution starting there and it will be far from peaceful.

This seems to be the most credible news story about this town's deal:

CA co. preps to take over MT jail - San Jose Mercury News
CA co. preps to take over MT jail

By MATTHEW BROWN Associated Press Writer
Posted: 09/26/2009 10:02:17 AM PDT
Updated: 09/26/2009 10:02:17 AM PDT

HARDIN, Mont.�After arriving in this rural city with three Mercedes SUVs marked with the logo of a nonexistent police department, representatives of an obscure California security company said preparations were under way to take over Hardin's never-used, $27 million jail.

Significant obstacles remain�including a lack of any prisoner contracts on the part of the company that wants to run the jail, American Police Force.
And on Friday came the revelation the company's operating agreement for the facility has yet to be validated�two weeks after city leaders first unveiled what they said was a signed agreement.

Still, some Hardin leaders said the deal to turn over the 464-bed jail remained on track.

The agreement with American Police Force has been heavily promoted by members of the city's economic development branch, the Two Rivers Authority. Authority Vice President Albert Peterson on Friday repeated his claim to be "100 percent" confident in the company.

The lead public figure for American Police Force, Michael Hilton, said more than 200 employees would be sought for the jail and a proposed military and law enforcement training center.

That would be a significant boost to Hardin, a struggling town of 3,500 located about 45 miles east of Billings. An earlier announcement that a job fair would be held during the last week never came to fruition.

The bonds used to pay for the jail have been in default since May, 2008. Hilton also said he planned a helicopter tour of the region in coming days to look at real estate for a planned tactical military training ground. He said 5,000 to 10,000 acres were needed to complement the training center, a $17 million project.

But the company's flashy arrival this week stirred new questions. The logo on the black Mercedes SUVs said "City of Hardin Police Department."
Yet the city has not had a police force of its own for 30 years.

"Pretty looking police car, ain't it?" Hardin resident Leroy Frickle, 67, said as he eyed one of the vehicles parked in front of a bed and breakfast where Hilton and other company representatives were staying. "The things you hear about this American Police, I don't know what to think."

Hilton said the vehicles would be handed over to the city if it forms a police force of its own. The city is now under the jurisdiction of the Big Horn County Sheriff's Office.

After meeting briefly with Hilton on Friday, Mayor Ron Adams said he wanted the police logos removed.

"This helps, but it doesn't answer everything until the contract is signed," Adams said. "Talk is cheap."

Hilton said the company's arrival in Hardin would help allay such concerns. And he promised that on Feb. 1, 2010, Hardin would receive its first check under a deal said to be worth more than $2.6 million annually.

Little has been revealed to date about American Police Force. The company was incorporated in California in March, soon after Hardin's empty jail gained notoriety after city leaders suggested it could be used for the Guantanamo Bay terrorism detainees.

Members of Montana's congressional delegation say they have been closely monitoring the events in Hardin, but the city has largely been going it alone.

In the two years since the jail was built, city leaders have clashed repeatedly with the administration of Gov. Brian Schweitzer, who opposed efforts to bring in out-of-state prisoners.

After then-Attorney General Mike McGrath issued a 2007 opinion saying prisoners from other states were prohibited, Hardin successfully sued the state.

Despite the city's contention that the state has continued to foil its efforts to find prisoners, Montana Department of Corrections spokesman Bob Anez said his agency is no longer involved. "That's water under the bridge," Anez said.

On Friday, American Police Force announced its first local hire: a reporter for the Billings Gazette, Becky Shay, who has covered events surrounding the jail since its construction. She will be the company's spokeswoman for $60,000 a year.

Shay said she intended to bring new transparency to the process, but declined to directly answer the first question posed to her: Where is American Police Force getting the money to operate the jail and build the training center?

"I know enough about where the money is coming from to be confident signing on with them," she said.

Gazette Editor Steve Prosinski said he was first informed about Shay's decision to leave the paper on Friday. "We weren't aware that she was talking with them about employment," he said.

Hilton said he also had a job discussion with Kerri Smith, wife of Two Rivers Authority Executive Director Greg Smith, who helped craft the deal to bring American Police Force to Hardin. Greg Smith was placed on unpaid leave two weeks ago for reasons that have not been explained.

Kerri Smith is one of two finalists in the city's mayoral race. Hilton said he asked her to call him about possible employment if she did not win the race.
Kerri Smith could not be reached immediately for comment. A message was left by The Associated Press at a theater owned by the Smith family. Her home number is unlisted.

**Aaron** · 09-30-2009, 08:56 PM

Oath Keeper's present at demonstrations

Originally posted by rickoff View Post

It seems that what we need is an organized effort by the Oath Keepers to show up at the next likely hot spot, both to single out and take down the unruly few who resort to violence, and to protect the peaceful demonstrators from unwarranted, unconstitutional police tactics. If they don't take things to the front lines now, then where will they be when things get much worse?

Brilliant idea to have their presence. It would be a political nightmare for the police to disturb retired military - who should wear their uniforms. Can you imagine a row of retired military in uniform being harassed by police or worse yet, assaulted?

And military and non-military should exercise their Open Carry rights where it applies in their own area. In Washington state, a permit for handguns is only required if you want to conceal it. Otherwise, you don't need one if you want to openly carry a gun in a holster walking down the street, going into a restaurant, etc...

When I was much younger in the early 80's when I lived here, I remember quite a few people openly wore their guns...today, I haven't seen this in years.

OpenCarry.org - A Right Unexercised is a Right Lost!

**future pather** · 09-30-2009, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Aaron View Post

YouTube - Police Brutality in Pittsburgh after the G20

Jessica, the police of Pitt. are violating these people's constitutional rights to a peaceful assembly. Hitting people and knocking them on the ground as they're walking is illegal and is police brutality. These nazi's are no better than any other trouble makers that we have witnessed throughout history.

I hope the ones that were injured sue the your city and are awarded serious damages as well as everyone that was caused to disassemble from their peaceful protest for having their constitutional rights violated.

I think there should be a movement through every state to pass bills that will give double or triple penalty to any law enforcement officer that breaks the law because if they are supposed to enforce it, they better damd well respect the laws themselves.

Your mayor obviously has authorized or let it be authorized for these people to assault peaceful Americans without any cause whatsoever.

These police obviously have no respect for Americans or the constitution and are in serious need of some education.

Aaron,

I am way madder at the idiot from CA who caused a ton of damage in my town than I am at the police for stopping further damage. They were protecting the civil rights of people who did not want damage.

If you are right, why did the police let the peaceful protesters demonstrate? Why did they not stop the unauthorized protest until it got violent? Why did they let peaceful protesters hang a sign from a major bridge to downtown with people hanging off the sign stay for 3 hours just so they could get their message out? Why did people clap for the police while they stopped the violent protest?

Our mayor swore in the extra law enforcement when they got here and made them all pledge to uphold the constitution, which they did by protecting us from violent people. You will say they were CIA agitators or something. I will say I don't believe that for a second. We could go back and forth forever so it's not really worth arguing that. I respect your right to your opinion.

(Btw my dad is a civil rights attorney so don't think I'm ignorant to the issues.)

One day you may need a policeman to help you. From that day forward you may appreciate them.

**future pather** · 09-30-2009, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by future pather View Post

Our mayor swore in the extra law enforcement when they got here and made them all pledge to uphold the constitution, which they did by protecting us from violent people. You will say they were CIA agitators or something. I will say I don't believe that for a second. We could go back and forth forever so it's not really worth arguing that. I respect your right to your opinion.

Actually I do want to state why I don't think they were CIA agitators. It's bc there were a lot of other protests without any violence at all. If the CIA really wanted to make people mad they would have had some agitators at the petitioned and lawful demonstrations.

Instead the only violent people were in non-petitioned protests and they were dressed in all black and were telling the news people that they were anarchists as they were smashing windows.

What makes me maddest is that when the police blocked them from certain businesses they were targeting, they did damage at mom and pop places. Their aim was damage, not righteousness.

**Aaron** · 09-30-2009, 10:38 PM

police

Jessica, that may be true about peaceful protesters but in this video, there are people that are clearly being non-violent walking by and are having violence acted against them by the police - such as being hit with sticks and being pushed on the ground. If those people were causing trouble or were acting aggressively, the police wouldn't have simply pushed them to the ground, etc.., they would have clearly been arrested.

I am not in support of trouble makers at protests and I never said anything about cia. There are people that simply don't act with much common sense and have no idea about effective dissent starting with being peaceful. But I'm not going to rule out the fact that it has been documented over and over in the last 100 years of govt. agents instigating riots, etc... this is very well known and is public information. Do I think that happened there at the G20 meeting? I didn't even consider the idea until you brought it up.

I respect the need for law enforcement so please don't misunderstand me. I respect police that obey the law and do respect the constitution, not selectively, but in its entirety.

Also, you should then know that the police actually has zero obligation to "protect" the public. Their objective from the beginning has been to DETER crime and enforce the laws broken but never to protect anyone. Just becaus they don't have a leagl obligation to protect doesn't mean they won't necessary have a moral obligation to. The slogan or motto on the side of a police car of "To Protect and To Serve" is a misleading statement as it doesn't identify their purpose of the police. It should say, "To Serve as a Deterrent."

The only time anyone is under "protection" of the police is when there is some sort of "special agreement" made. For example... if the police show up at a home where a child is being beaten. They are to enforce the law as they are permitted or required. After that point, the police have zero obligation legally to protect that child. If one of the police for example tell the child, "Don't worry, we won't let anything happen to you," at that point, a special agreement is made and is legally binding, by whatever legal terminology and at that point, the police are then legally obligated to actually protect that child in the future and if the child is hurt, then the police are liable.

I have some friends that are police officers and many, many friends that are either retired or active duty military. I do see the need for police and military.

There is a book that everyone should read that is interested in knowing where the police are in compliance with the law and when they are overstepping their bounds. I thought it was called Policing the Police and it was available as far back as 1989-1990 and maybe before then. It details quite a bit about what "civilians" are entitled to do in self defense, etc... when becoming the subject of illegal actions by police officers.

I searched Amazon and other sites and there are multiple books by that name so I don't know which is the right one. Will have to check some old references. It is invaluable to anyone interested in defending their civil rights.

**future pather** · 09-30-2009, 10:41 PM

Sorry for all the add-ons but you need to realize that vid is a couple blocks from where all the G-20 leaders were meeting right then. There was NO WAY IN HELL people didn't know what was going on there. Classes were canceled, bus lines were re-routed, huge gates were put up, and of course who could miss all the force?

No police action was taken without laborious warnings blasted from loudspeakers.

Notice they are not showing hardly any of the people and when they do the people are generally in all black?

**future pather** · 09-30-2009, 10:46 PM

To add another piece of the puzzle, there is a local violent gang which dresses in all black.

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