End of Days?

[Gary]

With so much talk about 2012 being the year time runs out on the earth, I was curious of how many End of days predictions there have been through history, especially since I have already lived through quite a few myself.

I had no idea how many times the earth was supposed to have ended.

Here is a link that lists a decent amount of failed predictions.

Christopher Columbus, Joseph Smith, Billy Graham and too many Psychics, Astrologists and leaders of various groups all made predictions that were all completely wrong.

I wonder what Columbus would say if he knew the earth had lived on over 350 years after he had it ending.

Sure, it could happen any day, but judging from history, its probably not something we should be too worried about.

[Pamela Vicik-Smith]

That is so interesting, Gary!

I was raised a Jehovah's Witness and I remember the end of the world prediction for 1975 as a child. Everyone was on their "good behavior."

I left the faith as soon as I became an adult so I was not aware of the 1984 and 1999 predictions. I also saw they made many end of the world predictions in the first half of the 1900's.

I wonder how anyone can believe a prediction coming from a group that had so many failed predictions in the past...

[Nadda]

Awesome link, I think the biggest reason for the 2012 hooplah is that the ancient culture predicted our galatic alignment and they apparently were right. That gives them a bit more credit than someone seeing a bird in a dream. Personally, until i see more global evidence of a change taking place, its still just hooplah to me.

[Gary]

Pamela the Jehovah's Witness predictions definitely stood out to me as there were so many of them. It also seemed as though they kept moving them later like they were rescheduling.

I guess so many religious groups predict these end of world events because it really motivates their followers to get involved. I am fairly sure if people were aware of just how many times people have predicted the end, very few would put any stock into future predictions.

Oddly enough I read somewhere that the Maya believed that the end of the 5,125 year calendar cycle was a momentous occasion that deserved celebration due to the fact that they were still there. I do not think that they considered it the end of the world, but I guess any line in the sand will do when you can somehow benefit from people believing its all going to end.

Nadda, I agree and think if 10 people make a prediction, the one person that hits on something that actually happens will be the one everyone listens to. Nostradamus is a good example and he made many predictions but a few major ones appeared to line up with history so everyone was onboard for his world war 3, end of world predictions.

From my own beliefs, I do not think it is impossible to pull future events out of the collective, but I think that these events are ever changing and very hard to hammer down, especially in time factors. An event like the end of civilization would be so huge that it could look like its happening next week from 800 years away and maybe that is whats going on here. Either the time factor is wrong or it is in flux, constantly being aligned and then averted by present interaction.

[Aaron]

future intervention

The Mayan elders say 2012 is signaling a new age and there won't be any
cataclysmic event correlating with it. There is definitely astrological
alignments on that day but that doesn't mean the world will fall apart.

Some predictions may have been accurate and happened and possibly
time went on into the future and time traveling humans or drones from the future came
back to intervene with events to help prevent our "inevitable" destruction.
Just an idea Like a groundhog day scenario.

[jibbguy]

Hi Gary. I think that much of this is about Humans' sort of inherent feelings about how they interact with the world. It is like, some folks can't conceive of a world where they aren't in it, as if the universe should end when they die

We are all egocentric in how we view things, it is pretty much inevitable. But perhaps we should consider a "thought problem" where we are all a 1-dimensional "dot" on a 2-dimensional "String" stretching on into infinity on either side of the time line... before us, and after us. It may not be conductive to ego to consider this, but it is perhaps more accurate than other views where we just "happen" by chance and fate to be present at the "End of Time".. With billions of our ancestors and fellow Humans who lived their lives the same as us, and died, the same as we all do and will someday... simply being a "side-show" to the "main event" of what WE are experiencing now


... see folks, it's kind of "convenient" that we happen to be alive at this moment.

I think studying History, and reading the words of those who lived centuries ago helps us to get a better perspective... We are not "special" compared to them, imo.

And it is fully up to us to make a difference on this planet. No supernatural being of Light is likely to intervene in our favor, no supernatural evil force is going to intervene, either. There is plenty of evil in the world, for sure. As well as Goodness. Imo, it wont come looking for us, or manifest itself in us by force... we have to search and find it ourselves.

If there is a specific spiritual meaning to life, then perhaps it is related to how each of us accepts and struggles in the Challenge.

[timmy4HUMANITY]

G'day Gary

I do personally hold some belief in the Mayan predictions for 2012, but where I differ with some of the more paranoid beliefs is that I believe it will be the end of the world AS WE KNOW IT. Perhaps even only the BEGINNING of the end AS WE KNOW IT.
The general concensus with like minded people today, is that conciousness manifested the universe and all things through the intention to know itself. So, to me, it makes perfect sense that conciousness will always be around no matter what form it takes in reality.
Who knows? Maybe we might make some new friends that will show us the way out?


LOL!



With respect,
Timmy

[Gary]

Jibbguy, I completely agree. I think if the world happens to meet a catastrophic end during your lifetime, it would be the equivalent of hitting the lottery. Odds are against it.

I also think people who spend more than 1 second worrying about it should reconsider. They are more likely to get hit by a car or slip in the tub and hit their head.

Timmy4Humanity, you could be right. I tend to think that changes like consciousness are gradual though so I think a starting point is more likely then the specified date where everyone figures things out.

I would say that people are becoming more conscious and aware everyday despite a structure that seems to teach against it. It is inevitable that people will expand as they continue to live and what better way to expand than consciously?

[redrichie]

JUst figured Id throw my 2 pennies around. We always find something cataclysmic to think about to destroy us. Bible days it was floods and wrathful angels, then it was plague, then it was communists/capitalists with A-bombs, swine flu, avian bird flu, zombies. I think collectively we know we are a fragile being and I think it manifests itself as total human annihilation.
With that being said; something is not right! Do you feel it? Not sure its the end of the world, or the end of the world as we know it. But cryptic messages from affiliates of Dr. Stiffler, round about things that Bedini has said, gets me thinking. Most everyone I talk to and ask about stuff, senses something is out of whack. I do not know what it is. Economic crisis', earthquakes, giant oil spills, governments out of control, makes one feel as though we are on a collision course. And maybe thats all it is. As a global collective we can feel the stuff that is happening is not sustainable and we may on a global downward spiral.
Part of me is sad that this is happening. The other wants a giant reset switched flipped. A start over. And if it means cataclism then so be it. Eggs have to be broken to make a cake. Does 90 percent of the worlds people deserve this? Hell no. But to a degree we are a victim of our own complacency, and laziness. We want it all to be done for us, and if that means being completely dependent on a system of controls, and being treated as a Serf means that things will be handled for us, then some are happy being sheep.
I think most of the people on this forum are not sheep. We are looking for something. Answers to something. Something to just be simple and make sense.

[Gary]

Redrichie, I think you prove the point though. Financial failure and a few disasters and things start to seem off. It matches pretty close to end of times prophecies from the bible so its pretty easy to get people to believe they won't need their money in a couple of years so why not give it all to a good cause they believe in?

What if a financial crisis is as easily explained as a controlled burn by the powers that be to thin the herd of millionaires and several earthquakes in a row are a domino effect from shifting plates, and a major oil leak is sheep fodder to sustain higher pump prices.

End of world rhetoric could then just be what loosens the purse strings of the devout.

Of course they do not publish this type of information but I would love to see data depicting non-cause related donation levels in religious organizations during crisis. I bet it would be off the charts, literally..

[redrichie]

Hi Gary. While I can totally understand what you are saying, I think there is a problem. And I do think we should all be concerned and do give a seconds worth of thought. When we talk of economic crisis we are talking about a global economic meltdown. Money will be useless. I dont think having a room filled with gold will help you if this is to happen. Why? Food. You can have all the money in the world, but if money is crap everywhere you go then it is useless. What good is a piece of paper or a lump of gold to someone who is starving? None.
Back to the sheep I was talking about. A little while ago I think in Texas something happened ( I cant remember any details right now for some reason, sorry) and within a short time period all the Grocery stores were without. People panicked and had to go buy anything they could get their hands on. Im pretty sure that 90% of Americans are not self sufficient, or even have more than a few days worth of food and no water stored up. Im sure this would happen most anywhere in the civilized world. Even in the event of a Hurricane most will not stock up on anything! Im sure a lot of societies are the same. We are not hunter gatherers anymore, we are sheep. Too many are completly dependent on government, elec companies, oil companies, and things being with our reach at any given moment. WE have let them take control of our lives. We are slaves to the system so to speak.
What would you do if your groc store ran out of food? and then the neighboring town, and so on? An event happens, people KNOW they dont have enough gas, water, and food. So they rush out to get stuff. As does everyone else. In very short order (hours, literally) supplies have been devastated. Normally this would last just a day or two, but this time no one has sent money overseas because our Dollar is worthless so there is no fuel coming home. No fuel, no delivery trucks to groc store. Then panic. Utter chaos everywhere as people do what they have to do to feed their selves. And the cycle would grow out of control like wildfire. Do you have a family to feed? Probably, if not then you do have to feed yourself. Feeding yourself rides right up there with self preservation. You WOULD KILL for it!! So after watching a few Countries go bankrupt and see it happening all around you I think it is cause for concern. So economics could very easily be the end of the world as we know it. MAny would die for sure, because most couldnt do anything without it being on a shelve at the store. There are only so many farmer left in the world and they cant grow enough for everyone.
But Im still not sure that is what Im talking about. As I said I dont know. Just feel funny. And Im with you on the earthquake dominoes. Makes sense for sure.

[jibbguy]

The idea that there wont be any money to send overseas to buy oil and have it transported here, is incorrect. The suppliers of "energy" already own it.... They are a "vertical" organization, that simply happens to use several corporate names for the various levels of production and supply. But they are really one entity, or at most a very small group of entities closely linked in crime.

They work together to set the commodities stock & Futures price, and the price to the consumer. They work together to set the oil refinery output. They work together to set the levels of Reserve. And they work together to control all aspects of energy... Meaning nearly all aspects of modern society... Through their monopoly controls.

And, they work to screw us all out of free energy.

[shawn]

So many things that we thought to be true turned out to be wrong and the rest is still in the questionable area.
We don't really know and that is what bugs us all collectively.
Sure we have some data which seems true and "feels" accurate and from what I am reading here and elsewhere many have that same feeling of something is "wrong" or "coming".
I have read from other sources concerning the 2012 thing that we are going from one side of the galaxy to the other (if looked at as a disc from the side view we would be traversing from the bottom to the top or vs versa), so this is causing gravitational and energetic anomalies.
Others have been talking about a binary star system which we are a part of, which is plausible as the majority of the observed stars are binary systems.
So much we do not know, but those who are waking up are aware that something is up and going on.

I thing that things will continue, but we are transitioning into a new age and so there will be changes, some sudden and some will take time.
Best to be prepared for the worst, yet expect the best.

[Gary]

Redrichie,

I do not completely disagree with you about sheep and the lack of readiness for a world under a broken power structure.

Where I do disagree is that the power structure will ever be allowed to break for any serious length of time. Empty grocery stores, no water, no gas, electric, etc would mean a complete loss of control over the majority of people by the powers that be.

In order for a power structure to maintain control it needs widespread dependency, or military power, or both. Military power alone is messy so dependency really helps keep it all very pretty.

Dependency keeps it almost invisible.

[redrichie]

Ah I do agree. We have a dependency on almost everything here. So I guess what you are saying is correct. I guess Im speaking of cataclysmic loss of control. Lets just say for example something I read from NASA. They dont know whats going on with the Sun right now. A humongous solar flare pops up and wipes out most satelite transmission. How many of us know that most modern gas pumps are controlled by sats? Automatic price increase/decrease, tanks empty send refueler truck type stuff. Lets just say gas, gps, telecommunication gets knocked out. With our dependence on everything/not being self sufficient that would cause utter chaos in most places I know. So yeah you quell some folks with dependency and offer aid in food/water. In the mean time the military is mobilized to stop "bad guys". keep in mind, this is domestic, and we are fighting 2 theaters of war right now. We ony have a limited # of troops available to do anything. Aid will quickly run out, and I am prior military so I know how disorganized stuff is with out a breakdown in communication. The military steps in. What would the American people do when confronted with a break in their dependency on "things" or running over a couple thousand troops to get what they "need"? And if the military fires on American civilians in this time in our lives imagine what that would start. ( i know its not just America you guys, its just an example)
So I do think your absolutely right about dependency, I just have a different point of view on things. And I would imagine that the MIB are already preparing for this kind of stuff. The Army already started training troops for "civil unrest" (cant remember where I was reading so I cant quote sources) they pulled an entire battalion from Iraq to do so. Combat trained veterans that had a benefit to things overseas. Pulled back for that kind of training? Why?