Who killed JFK?

[Aaron]

Who killed JFK?

Interesting interview!
YouTube - EX FBI AGENT BREAKS THE SILENCE ON JFK

[Kevin]

Interesting video for sure.

Quite a few years ago I TRV'd WHY JFK was killed...ie. what was the motivation.

However, I never TRV'd WHO killed him.

[Aaron]

session data

Hey Kevin,

Hope you're feeling better!

Can you post the motivation that you got in the session?

[noises]

YouTube - President John F Kennedy Secret Society Speech version 2
I don't know who killed him, but if this speech isn't a big part of why he was killed, I'd be truly astonished.

[jibbguy]

You have to be pretty old to understand that "secret society" speech i think. What ever or whom ever JFK was REALLY talking about; there no question as to whom or what EVERYONE at the time thought he was talking about:

The "International Communist Conspiracy".... Which was an openly-stated goal of the Soviets and Chinese communists, to infiltrate and destroy the Capitalist system from within. So anyone who heard that speech at the time had NO IDEA of it being about the "NWO" or the Federal Reserve / international banking, or the military industrial complex.... it was about those evil commies. If you were not alive in those times it is hard to describe the amount of anti-communist propaganda that was being injected into every aspect of our society and popular culture. The fear of nuclear obliteration, gave it a fear level through everyone's psyche, that the "neo-cons" could only dream about creating.

Regarding JFK's assassination: There are lots of theories of who had him killed. But if you don't believe the "official story" that he was killed by a lone gunman named Oswald (... where there is also much compelling evidence that Oswald was CIA himself), there is one thing, that is true for them all....

The CIA had to be at least co-conspirators. Because there is NO WAY such a conspiracy could have succeeded, thrived, survived, and been successful at protecting itself if CIA were not at least "in on it". For this reason alone, the CIA deserves to be disbanded.

..."Shattered into a thousand shards and scattered to the winds"... As JFK once said himself, extremely angry at being lied to about Cuba.

This is why CIA psy-ops have worked so hard to suppress the conspiracy theories... For example, despite the vast majority of the population believing it WAS a conspiracy... in the mainstream media News, even close to 50 years later, NOT ONCE have any newscasters ever stated it was anything but the "official story", and any conspiracy theories have always been attacked.

And the Kennedy Assassination is why the term "conspiracy theory" was deliberately turned in to a derogatory and derisive termm starting in the mid 1960's .. in an attempt to END any serious discussion before it happens.

[Kevin]

Hey Kevin,

Hope you're feeling better!

Can you post the motivation that you got in the session?

This is from memory and incomplete...but it paints the general outlline.


There were promises he made before being elected that he was not keeping.

These promises were to big business.

He was costing them some serious money by, not only not keeping his promises to them, but by doing some things that were opposite of what he promised.

The decision to kill him was made by a few individuals in a large industrial type building. The room they were in was adjacent to a room that has LOTS of cars in it.

These men were discussing what he had promised and how what he was doing (and was going to do) were at odds with each other and he could not be allowed to continue down the path of continuing to hurt their business.

I do not remember anymore details at this time, and the file is packed away.

If I remember more, I will post.

[Aaron]

Kennedy and Conspiracy

And the Kennedy Assassination is why the term "conspiracy theory" was deliberately turned in to a derogatory and derisive termm starting in the mid 1960's .. in an attempt to END any serious discussion before it happens.

I clearly see that the "communist conspiracy" or communist agenda
is completely alive and well today and is making progress throughout many
areas of American life. Not only is this reflected through the influence of
entertainment media, news media, etc... but also in the actions of every
American President for the last several decades to achieve the "criteria"
necessary to bring about a totalitarian society. Both the left and right
"elitists" have worked feverishly to move in that direction playing against
each other to give the illusion of choice but nevertheless - moving in
the same direction.

I'm sure those that lived through those times of the bomb shelter making
days have a bad taste in their mouth from all the fear mongering about
communists being everywhere including hiding under your bed. But that
doesn't exclude the fact that there actually was and still is a threat that
is virtually neutered in the eyes of most Americans. Of course most of
the propaganda is just that - propaganda. The blatant and indisputable
socialist movement in America right now at all levels of the federal
government, media, etc... is the "indispensable" step to reach the goal.

Now I'd agree that the same method in use today to ram terrorism down
our throats is 99% bogus and most is stimulated from our own govt to
give the appearance to naive people that there is justification to
"fight terrorism". Of course I'm against terrorism but it is obvious that
the real threat is special interest/oil/pharma/etc... and of course banks.

Secret Societies or secret dealings doesn't necessarily have to be all
about communism, not even in Kennedy's day and I don't have to be alive
during that time to know that. For example, it was VERY CLEAR all the
way back to the Founding Fathers that a private and secret elite that
works to infiltrate, etc... were the banking elite and they were not
afraid in the least bit to call them out. We were warned about their
motives to infiltrate our liberty and freedoms to such a degree that it will
destroy us to the core.

I don't discount that the "communist conspiracy" could be a part of what
Kennedy is addressing but it would be speculation to claim that was
all it was about. Banking conspirators and corporate special interests
are all valid and likely contenders as part of the secret groups that Kennedy
mentions.

The term conspiracy theory was not turned into a derogatory term,
the term conspiracy theory was deliberately invented by a think tank
for the purpose you mention. That term did not exist before that.

I don't recall at the moment what that think tank was but I'll post it
if I can find the references.

[noises]

I just go by the pictures recent history paints, but the biggest winners out of the Bush era weren't secret communist interest groups, they were companies.

One such little flag that marks out a windfall that springs to mind is Haliburton's cost plus bonanza in Iraq. And those "reserve" banks that rape countries of their resources and finances are also companies. Actually, I've looked into it, and the Australian Commonwealth (my country) is actually listed on the US securities exchange as a company, as a corporation.

(COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
CIK (0000805157)
SIC: 8880 - American Depositary Receipts
State location: DC | Fiscal Year End: 0630

Business Address
1601 MASSACHUSETTS AVE NW
C/O AUSTRALIAN EMBASSY
WASHINGTON DC 20036)

Now, I don't know about communists, I do know about propoganda, and I do know it seems capitalism holds the whip that's flogging me and my country to financial and ideological death. Every publicly owned piece of communications infrastructure, every phone exchange, server, telegraph line and switchboard was taken off the people of Australia and sold, for profit by the foreign company called the Commonwealth of Australia, to shareholders, who were then in turn robbed when the share price was crashed to 20% of it's starting value on the open market.

Ever since, the profit from every phone call, even the electrons I'm pushing down the copper line to the local exchange in this data call, are a for profit transaction for a capitalist company that essentially stole the communications infrastructure off the people in my country, and now charges us to use it and keeps the profits, rather than investing them in providing more and better infrastructure, solid employment for fair pay and the surplus going back to the nation's treasury, like it used to.

You may have a ideological beef with communism, and I don't know because I don't live in the same country as you do, but to me ,it's not communism that's dipping it's hand in my pocket and committing daylight robbery with my nation's taxes. It's that other ism. I don't think either one is working particularly well to be honest, and I think it's because we as a society aren't all willing, every last one of us, to stand up and fill the shoes of a man like JFK, who saw through the selfish bull**** that defines both our societies and spoke out against it, and then paid the ultimate price for it.

It's funny, like there's only two parties to choose from, there's only two fiscal policies? Sink or swim capitalist exploitation vs breadlines and riflebutts to the kidneys communism? Have you noticed, in both, a very small few do really, really well and want for nothing, their lackeys and facilitators do quite nicely thank you, most sort of do ok but not really and the idea the people at the top in both systems has is, if you can't earn enough to buy it(on the black or open market, depending on which ism you live under,) you don't deserve it and can die in the snow. I don't buy that.

Where's the equitable, altruistic, respect for your fellow man, no manufactured lack option? I think where we're given these polarised, left/right, red/blue, either/or options that are actually both pretty much identical in their effects, we have to learn to look past the presented options at who's presenting them to us, and what they really want.

I think we need to go back to that speech and, as a world, have a do over.

[noises]

Do we have another thread for these kind of ideological debates?

I'm sorry, I just don't want to derail this one, but I do think the sidetrack I'm heading down could also be interesting. Because I am not surprised by Kevin's information that big business and big money, were the motives behind the triggermen. I guessed as much, based on who's had the most to gain in the decades that have followed, and how much the world has become like JFK warned it would.

[Aaron]

Who killed JFK?

I just go by the pictures recent history paints, but the biggest winners out of the Bush era weren't secret communist interest groups, they were companies.

And the biggest winners in the Obama era are banks, oil companies and
pharmaceuticals (companies).

That has been going on since before anyone on this forum was born.
The banks helped to instigate war AND gives loans for the Civil War to both
sides - those banks are "companies".

This has been going on forever throughout history.

As far as bringing about a totalitarian society - look at the
destruction of values in the mass population. The pure unadulterated
garbage on tv that kids are growing up on, the comic references in
sit coms to all kinds of sexual acts, glorifying stupidity to an extreme,
all these things whittle away people's values and parents these days,
the younger ones in my generation and younger are becoming more and
more ok with that garbage. Unfortunately, the older generation is taking
to it more and more as well and it is always brushed off as "its just a
different time".

Creating a welfare society bit by bit, quality of education getting worse
and worse for public schools, all of these things move towards an
even more brain dead population that wants the government to do
everything for them and that includes people on both sides and that
includes the conservative tea-baggers who would be out on the street
without their medicare and social security - so all those tea-baggers
support socialism but don't want to admit it.

Constantly increasing taxes to ridiculous heights is one of the
primary methods for creating poverty - this principle has been known
since ancient times. They want to have the carbon tax - regardless
of the environment - it is just a scam to milk more money from the
masses and put it into the pockets of a few. Tax, tax, tax and more tax.

It is a very systematic and calculated method to create a dumb-down, lazy
and dependent population. And if it isn't a bunch of "communists" doing
it, what is being done IS the way to move towards a population of
obedient slaves to the govt/corporations - it doesn't matter what we call
it, but what it is - is self evident.

The "new world order" concept WAS known in Kennedy's time. Novus ordo
seclorum is the great seal of the United States and has been so since
1782. New order of the ages by a powerful elite.

On September 11, 1991 and other times George Bush used the term
New World Order
YouTube - New World Order
in reference to the UN basically being a one world govt.

But the CONCEPT goes back to the beginning of time.

The New Order of the Ages IS a reference to a unifying governing body
by the elite and and it just happens to be that in our last hundred years
that it manifested as the United Nations. The banking elite such as the
Rothschild family and others for a few hundred years has used their money
and influence to work towards this goal. They are long term thinkers.

It is common for Japanese corporations to have business plans that
extend 200-300 years into the future. This long term mindset is a
valuable principle used by very successful groups, families, corporations,
and religions for countless ages.

That was and IS still on the table today (UN global government) as it was
in Kennedy's time AND it is related to a communist agenda by any other
name it is still what it is.

If the world united together under a common leadership - IF it was
done in true peace where the leadership is all open and honest and with
benevolance towards all human beings on the planet - that would be a
good thing because it would be by choice in an honorable way.

But the way it is moving in that direction for a long time is by a bunch
of greedy demons who are only interested in benefiting themselves and
gaining as much power/money as possible. They could care less about
the people of the world.

Just because Kennedy played with the UN in a good light doesn't
mean he didn't perceive a different agenda behind the scenes, which
I think he was wise enough to.

And I'm sure he knew this would get into trouble
John F. Kennedy: Executive Order 11110 - Amendment of Executive Order No. 10289 as Amended, Relating to the Performance of Certain Functions Affecting the Department of the Treasury
Reagan reversed it from what it looks like.

communists (soviet)
un globalists
banks & other corporations - especially federal reserve

I think all of those would want Kennedy to disappear and who
knows what LBJ's agenda really was - if he had one but he sure was
willing to use fraudulent means to get elected.

My great grandfather was the campaign manager for Miriam Ferguson,
the first woman governor or Texas. He even named one of his daughters,
my great aunt, after her - Miriam - who I stayed with in June during
part of my road trip through Ft. Worth, TX.

They were all good friends with the Johnson family (LBJ and Lady Byrd).
They were at my great grandparents home quite a bit.
LBJ wanted my great grandfather to be his campaign manager. He
witnessed LBJ and his associates do a few dirty things such as data
mining cemetery records and using that information to cast votes for
in dead people's names. When my great grandfather witnessed this,
he refused to get involved and the rest is history. LBJ committed
this kind of fraud on more than one occasion.

Seeing that this kind of fraud was part of LBJ's character, is there
enough that LBJ would want Kennedy killed, I don't know but I think
it has to be seriously pondered especially when LBJ put together
the commission that put out a phony report on the entire assassination
and with LBJ's history of fraud, I wouldn't put it past him.

Lady Byrd was a completely different person from her husband. My
family really liked her and I don't know if she even knew what her
husband and his associates were doing.

Anyway, I think there are some Kennedy family records that Jacki O.
has marked for release in x amount of years and I think it is still quite
a bit away from now.

[Aaron]

other thread

Do we have another thread for these kind of ideological debates?

The ruling class thread has a lot of these kind of posts.

[Mad Scientist]

One of the things that has always bothered me about the Kennedy's shooting was if he was actually shot in the head from behind simple ballistics would seem to say that his brains should have be spattered all over the back of the front seat. So why was Jacki try to retrieve bits and pieces from the trunk?

I do believe his issuing US currency backed by silver was one of the straws that broke the camels back in terms of the decision to have him removed.

[Aaron]

replacement youtube vid

Replacement vid for the original that isn't avail anymore:
YouTube - Former FBI Agent Breaks His Silence On JFK

[rickoff]

My own opinion on the JFK assassination is that several shooters were actually in place on that day, to ensure that Kennedy would die no matter what situation evolved. How many actually took a shot is anyone's guess, but the best estimates of gunshot analysis say that anywhere from 9 to 11 bullets were actually fired. Several individuals, groups, and agencies wanted JFK out of the way, and I believe that what happened at Dealey Plaza was the result of a well rehearsed and orchestrated joint effort.

The CIA is known to have used Mafia gumen in attempts to assassinate Fidel Castro, and they weren't happy at JFK's rejection of the Northwoods project. As pointed out in the video linked by Aaron, the FBI was definitely in on at least the cover-up of the assassination, and perhaps more involved. FBI director Hoover had absolutely no use for John Kennedy or his brother Bobby, who was then serving as Attorney General. There was a direct phone line from Bobby's office to Hoover's office, and it was removed on Hoover's orders the day after JFK was killed. Bobby was still Hoover's boss, so what does that say? And of course let's not forget the bankers of the Federal Reserve, who perhaps had better reason than any others to eliminate Kennedy.

On June 4th, 1963, President Kennedy signed a presidential document, called Executive Order 11110. This gave Kennedy, as President of the United States, legal clearance to create his own money to run the country, money that would belong to the people, an interest and debt-free money. Records show that Kennedy had already issued nearly $5 billion of these debt free notes. It was perfectly obvious that Kennedy was out to undermine the Federal Reserve, and likely to lead the charge to repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Only one other US President had the intestinal fortitude to buck the bankers and print interest free money, and he, like Kennedy, was also shot in the head. I find it very compelling that only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation. All of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed, and not a word was said about this to the American people.

In my belief, those who actually pulled the trigger that day, as well as the one who was said to have pulled the trigger, were just pawns in a larger game plan. Oswald was the perfect patsy to lay blame on, and what the Warren Commission never showed us about Oswald was that he had clear connections to David Ferrie, who was himself also intricately connected to two other important figures - Jack Ruby and New Orleans crime boss Carlos Marcello. To learn more about these connections, go here: http://www.energeticforum.com/75358-post183.html

Ferrie is also said to have been very adept at hypnotism, and threw parties where he demonstrated his skill by hypnotizing several people at once. Is is not at all unlikely that Oswald was a participant, and subject of hypnosis, and that Ferrie used his prowess to indoctrinate Oswald and set him up to take the fall.

[Mad Scientist]

And of course let's not forget the bankers of the Federal Reserve, .........

all the United States notes which Kennedy had issued were called out of circulation. All of the money President Kennedy had created was destroyed, and not a word was said about this to the American people.

Oh but this was done in "tribute" to him and all those who might want to follow his lead.

I believe your summary of JFK's assassination is dead on, so to speak.