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  • #61
    http://www.assassinationweb.com/ag6....Pxglc3mGinzFNQ

    Dr. Grossman clearly states that the hole was too large to be an entrance wound
    , because the large irregular hole was a wound of exit. The back of the head was lifted up to demonstrate the large wound on the right rear. Frame 313 and the autopsy report jibe nicely to produce a factual basis for the rear blow-out witnessed by forty or so folks, including Jackie and the driver. Instead of completely lying, Dr. Humes simply understated the missing skull in the Occipital region where the hole was most dominant.

    Lastly, Dr. Grossman describes perfectly the confusion about whether a hole exited in the Parietal region: "It was clear to me that the right parietal bone had been lifted up by a bullet which had exited." There was no hole on the top of the head. It was on the right rear and likely the top back/Parietal, not the very top. His hair and skull is clearly lifted up in the second skull image, thereby corroborating Grossman's accurate view of the wounds.

    10) Dr. Charles Rufus Baxter, Attending Surgeon:
    WR 523 / 17 H 8 / CE392---handwritten report dated 11/22/63----" the
    right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying
    on the table
    , with [extensive?] maceration and contusion ";

    V. Palamara: 'Medical Reference' book (excerpt)
    JFK Lancer

    Missile Wounds

    1. There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right
    involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the
    temporal and occipital regions. In this region there is an actual
    absence of scalp and bone
    producing a defect which measures
    approximately 13 cm. in greatest diameter.

    11) Dr. Robert G. Grossman, Resident Neurosurgeon:
    a) "High Treason", pages 30, 36, 51, 53, 459 ("The Boston Globe", June
    21, 1981-notes placed in JFK Library [see also "Killing Kennedy", pp.
    303-304, "Between The Signal and the Noise" by Roger Bruce Feinman
    (1993) and Groden's "TKOAP", p. 181])---saw two separate head wounds: a
    large defect in the parietal area above the right ear
    , as well as "a
    large [albeit smaller than the first wound described], separate wound,
    located squarely in the occiput."; " described a large hole squarely in
    the occiput,
    far too large for a bullet entry wound "; Grossman
    : "It was
    clear to me that the right parietal bone had been lifted up by a bullet
    which had exited
    ."; noticed the skin flap near the right temple; Dr.
    Clark picked up the back of the head to demonstrate the wound
    ;
    b) 6 H 81 (Salyer)---confirms Grossman's presence in Trauma Room One;





    Last edited by frisco kid; 08-01-2021, 11:09 PM.

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    • #62
      The History Channel

      This was banned after it was shown once;
      The Men Who Killed Kennedy "The Love Affair" Complete Episode 8 - YouTube
      It connects almost everyone.

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      • #63
        Missile Wounds

        1. There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right
        involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the
        temporal and occipital regions. In this region there is an actual
        absence of scalp and bone producing a defect which measures
        approximately 13 cm. in greatest diameter.

        11) Dr. Robert G. Grossman, Resident Neurosurgeon:
        a) "High Treason", pages 30, 36, 51, 53, 459 ("The Boston Globe", June
        21, 1981-notes placed in JFK Library [see also "Killing Kennedy", pp.
        303-304, "Between The Signal and the Noise" by Roger Bruce Feinman
        (1993) and Groden's "TKOAP", p. 181])---saw two separate head wounds: a
        large defect in the parietal area above the right ear, as well as "a
        large [albeit smaller than the first wound described], separate wound,
        located squarely in the occiput."; " described a large hole squarely in
        the occiput, far too large for a bullet entry wound "; Grossman
        : "It was
        clear to me that the right parietal bone had been lifted up by a bullet
        which had exited.";
        noticed the skin flap near the right temple; Dr.
        Clark picked up the back of the head to demonstrate the wound;

        b) 6 H 81 (Salyer)---confirms Grossman's presence in Trauma Room One;



        The smoke is apparently indicative of the bullet's entry point. As we can clearly see with this sniper shot to the left cheek. Notice the brain matter/fluid ejecting out the rear. This is the Orville Nix film, the same film that shows Greer's real left arm extending back toward jfk.


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        • #64
          The smell of Greer's shot was in the air. According to Gary Mack the wind was blowing back east at 15 mph. That explains the Senators honest account. Not to mention the secret service shooting back. I wonder what agent could have been shooting back in the direction of jfk?


          Look under 'Beats Fists Against Car'. "The third shot he heard might have been a Secret Service man returning the fire", he said. "The Senator was three cars behind Jfk's, (the white car) with LBJ. Look above 'Could Smell Gunpowder'; He smelled gunpowder all the way to Parkland Hospital.



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          • #65
            Originally posted by Soupnazi630
            The film does not show him passing anything Betzner thought he saw two guns but was mistaken.

            The film debunks you
            JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William Betzner

            The film does show him passing the gun Betzner saw. It was a nickel revolver. He was not mistaken, you lunatic. Hickey's rifle was photographed and Greer's gun was whited out in Zapruder and Nix.

            The films and Betzner debunk your stupidity.

            JFK: Eyewitness statements, assassination of President John F. Kennedy, murder of J. D. Tippit and arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald: Hugh William Betzner

            I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was standing back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pulled out what looked like a rifle.

            I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass.

            Last edited by frisco kid; 04-25-2018, 05:29 PM.

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            • #66
              It was originally written over 40 years ago. Murder from Within, Lyndon Johnson's Plot Against President Kennedy

              Amazon.com: murder from within: Books

              Murder from Within Foreword by Tyler Newcomb

              “That which is most simple and obvious is the hardest to fathom” E.A.
              Poe

              How It All Began

              I remember it like it was yesterday. It was early summer in 1966 and I was
              sitting at the breakfast table with my father, Fred T. Newcomb while he was
              reading a front page article in the L.A. Times written by Robert J. Donovan.
              It was a review of a new book written by Edward J. Epstein entitled Inquest.
              Suddenly, Dad got up and started pacing the kitchen floor. “My God,
              someone else may have shot Kennedy” were his words. That was how it all
              began
              .

              For the next 8 years nearly all of his spare time and money was devoted to
              the subject. With the partnership of Perry Adams it eventually culminated in
              the writing of Murder From Within in 1974
              .

              Dad and Perry wrote Murder From Within after years of hard work and
              thousands of dollars in personal expense. I witnessed this first hand while I
              was in college at ASU in Tempe AZ and helped out when I could (for
              example buying them the Warren Commissions 26 Volumes and Exhibits
              for their use and study and venturing to the National Archives in
              Washington DC for documents and to Bill Greer's home in nearby Maryland
              (the driver of the Limo that day) to try to interview him in 1973
              . During this time Dad and his two associates Gil Toff and Roy Dennis telephonically interviewed nearly 50 witnesses comprising 30 hours of tape. Many of these interviews became the basis for the book. One cannot listen to some of the Dallas Police officers interviewed (who smelled “gunpowder right there in the street” and heard shots “right next to me”) and not come away convinced there really was gunfire from within the motorcade. One cannot listen to 2 police officers stationed at Parkland Hospital who were standing next to the Limo and who each saw a bullet hole in the windshield and not become convinced of evidence tampering by the Secret Service.

              When the book was just about completed they printed up @ 100 copies at a personal cost of far more than $1000 (in the 1970's an enormous expense for their modest incomes and lifestyles). Not For Sale was explicitly stamped at the beginning. All copies were mailed to prominent Senators, Congressmen, FBI Agents and other law enforcement personnel for the express purpose of seriously reopening the case. Perhaps the 1976 House Select Committee on Assassinations came to be in some small measure from someone there reading Murder From Within? He and Perry were asked to testify.

              I often wondered about that and also wondered what motivated my Dad to
              do what he did by not trying to market and sell this incredible story. It didn't
              make sense to me at the time. I am more pragmatic than my father.
              Eventually I realized Dad was not motivated by greed. He was an Idealist on
              a mission. After all is said and done (what with all the critics of the critics
              complaining about the "money making motivation" for their books) that is to
              be admired.

              During this time I was in a traveling Rock Show Band The Gringos and
              nearly every town we played in I would do a JFK Assassination slide show
              and film and audio tape show. A primitive Powerpoint presentation so to
              speak in 32 different States at all the Night Clubs we played
              . I would guess
              hundreds of people over the years saw this or heard about this "theory" and
              believe it. Nearly Every time I ask them to take their eyes off Kennedy and
              watch the Driver while projecting the Zapruder Film (we had a bootleg copy
              from Jim Garrison 7 years before Geraldo showed it on TV) a gasp and
              groan comes out "Oh My God...he did it"
              . The "optical illusion" on the film
              of the Driver turning, aiming, firing and turning back to drive at the moment
              Kennedy's head explodes is mind shattering. What are the odds such a thing
              could actually happen at that exact instant on the most important amateur
              film ever made? The "gun" however upon close frame inspection appears to
              be part of Roy Kellerman's hair. But is it? (Fig. Forward -1)

              No one can prove it either way because the film was in possession of the
              Secret Service and if Dad’s theory is correct they were busy altering the film
              itself creating a new original obliterating their complicity in the killing.
              For the better part of forty years all of us have been scouring the landscape
              for a gunman other than Oswald. We've looked in trees and bushes the sewer
              system the Dal-Tex building the overpass everywhere except the most
              obvious place, the car itself, which conveniently and by design became both
              a portable crime scene and the "get away" car.

              All along it was right there in front of us. Our eyes can't believe it. "That's
              preposterous" is the first reaction. But it's really the only theory that answers
              the oft asked question why did Jackie frantically try to get out of the car?
              Was she going for help or trying to retrieve a part of Kennedy's skull? No.
              The first law in times of danger is self-preservation. As Lenny Bruce so
              inelegantly put it..."She was hauling ass to save ass".

              Over the years the 100 + copies of the book became an underground cult
              rarity
              and "must have" in the JFK Assassination Research and Collector
              community. Copies of it were cheaply Xeroxed in Canada and illegally sold
              from there for $30
              . These copies made the rounds between researchers and collectors alike.

              For years and years I have been asked by scores of people if they could
              purchase a copy of the manuscript Murder From Within. I've always politely
              declined and told them I only have my one personal signed copy # 95 but
              that perhaps someday it will be released and published. That someday has
              finally arrived. It is the fondest wish of myself, my sister Valerie and Bonnie
              Adams (Perry's widow) to have it legally and professionally printed and
              published while Dad is still alive (although ailing). What did Dad say when
              we told him about this from his convalescent bed? He smiled and said
              simply "get 'er dun".

              If you are reading this for first time and all you know about it is "the Driver
              did it" theory be prepared to find a lot more to it than just that. Read this
              knowing it was written years and years before anyone else had pointed a
              finger at the Secret Service and Lyndon Johnson
              . This theory out of all of
              them is the only one that can truly hold together as far as answering the 3
              major questions: Why did it happen (motive), Who was responsible and
              most important How was it covered up and a scapegoat framed.

              Who could have done such a thing and gotten away with The Crime of the
              Century? The "simplest explanation is the best" or "Occam's Razor" which is
              an old Lawyers Maxim and certainly applies in this case
              . Only a small,
              brutal and fiendishly clever group led by the only person driven to benefit
              from the murder directly could have accomplished such a dastardly deed
              . All of this is certainly not without precedence in history. Going all the way back to Caesar and several Roman emperors (who were done in by their inner circle and by their own praetorian guards) and on up to Napoleon (arsenic poisoning?) Huey Long, Benigno Aquino (army airport security), Anwar Sadat and recently Indhira Ghandi.

              Once the power of the Presidency was obtained Lyndon Johnson could and
              did control the flow and manipulation of the evidence and also had the
              umbrella of cover that if it were exposed it could quite literally collapse the
              entire US Government
              . If exposed as an illegitimate President guilty of a
              murder conspiracy the country very well could have descended into a new
              civil war. Most people who "knew" kept quiet knowing full well that this is
              truly "national security" and must never be exposed lest the entire country fall into complete uncontrollable civil unrest. Did Jackie tell Bobby what she thought? That the car stopped during the shooting? That there was a large exit wound in the back of his head and an ear shattering sound in her left ear combined with awful smell of gunpowder? Did they decide to go along with the official story and wait until 1968 to win back the Presidency and expose it then? We all know what happened to Bobby, don't we?
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              • #67
                It couldn't be the grassy knoll because the bullet only involved the right front impact, and right rear exit. Slow motion confirmed that three years ago. The grassy knoll shot only could've entered the right temporal region. The bullet entered over the right eye, which excludes the grassy snow job. Of course this analysis conforms to the right rear exit.


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                • #68
                  One of many facts, they cannot explain the blood splatter shown clearly in Zapruder and x-rays. His face was clear according to the autopsy report/photos, and eyewitnesses.

                  Jfk's face was clear in reality. But, the x-rays and front of frame 313 and 327 show it removed. This cannot be reconciled without copping to film and x-ray alteration.




                  Last edited by frisco kid; 06-29-2015, 04:48 PM.

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                  • #69
                    JFK Assassination: One Month After JFK’s Murder, Former President Harry Truman Called For Abolishing The CIA
                    JFK Assassination: One Month After JFK’s Murder, Former President Harry Truman Called For Abolishing The CIA

                    In December 1963, Truman articulated in no uncertain terms what he thought of the CIA’s covert operations dimension:

                    Truman said they should “be terminated.”

                    Later, in 1964, Truman would reiterate his call for removing covert operations from the CIA in a letter to Look magazine -- underscoring that he never intended the CIA to get involved in “strange activities” when he signed the legislation creating the institution.

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                    • #70
                      This statement reaches at least as far back as the JFK assassination, no doubt.

                      CORRECT GHWB QUOTE - WITH SARAH MCCLENDON

                      Posted By: Guarded_Optimist
                      Date: Friday, 17-Nov-2006 15:13:42

                      In Response To: GHWB QUOTE ON ABC DURING THE 1990's (Guarded_Optimist)

                      A reader sent in the corrected quote. It appeared during a June 1992 interview with the late Sarah McClendon, the grand dame of the White House press corps at the time.

                      https://www.google.com/#q=george+bus...ew+what+we+did

                      *************************************************
                      Peace . Gold . LOVE | Daily Paul

                      Sarah McClendon: "What will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?

                      George H.W. Bush: "Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us."

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                      • #71
                        Testimony Of Clinton J. Hill, Special Agent, Secret Service

                        The closest witnesses saw the right rear exit as does every person viewing in it frame 313.

                        Clint Hill saw the rear exit, skull detach and heard Greer's revolver.

                        Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
                        Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.

                        Mr. SPECTER. You say that it appeared that she was reaching as if something was coming over to the rear portion of the car, back in the area where you were coming to?
                        Mr. HILL. Yes, sir.
                        Mr. SPECTER. Was there anything back there that you observed, that she might have been reaching for?
                        Mr. HILL. I thought I saw something come off the back, too, but I cannot say that there was. I do know that the next day we found the portion of the President's head.
                        Mr. SPECTER. Where did you find that portion of the President's head?
                        Mr. HILL. It was found in the street. It was turned in, I believe, by a medical student or somebody in Dallas.


                        Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
                        Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

                        Mr. SPECTER. I believe you testified as to the impression you had as to the source of the first shot. To be sure that the record is complete, what was your reaction as to where the first shot came from, Mr. Hill?
                        Mr. HILL. Right rear.
                        Mr. SPECTER. And did you have a reaction or impression as to the source of point of origin of the second shot that you described?
                        Mr. HILL. It was right, but I cannot say for sure that it was rear, because when I mounted the car it was--it had a different sound, first of all, than the first sound that I heard. The second one had almost a double sound--as though you were standing against something metal and firing into it, and you hear both the sound of a gun going off and the sound of the cartridge hitting the metal place, which could have been caused probably by the hard surface of the head. But I am not sure that that is what caused it.

                        Mr. SPECTER. Are you describing this double sound with respect to what you heard on the occasion of the second shot?
                        Mr. HILL. The second shot that I heard; yes, sir.
                        Mr. SPECTER. Now, do you now or have you ever had the impression or reaction that there was a shot which originated from the front of the Presidential car?
                        Mr. HILL. No.

                        The back of his head opens up when the red mist appears in the front.





                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_hDakTz2I
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                        • #72
                          Who Really Killed JFK? Newsmax Looks Into the Story

                          Who Really Killed JFK? Newsmax Looks into the Story

                          Even Secretary of State John Kerry recently said he believed that Oswald did not act alone and suggested ties between Oswald and the Russians and Cuba.

                          Robert F. Kennedy Jr. recently disclosed that the Kennedy family does not believe the lone gunman finding.

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                          • #73
                            A real picture of jfk's assassin. He was the SS agent driving the President's limo on the day of the assassination. His name was William Robert Greer.




                            Real pic of JFK'S ASSASSIN:

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                            • #74
                              40 some odd eyewitnesses specified a large defect at the right rear of the skull.

                              kennedy witnesses bethesda
                              JAMES CURTIS JENKINS: the other laboratory technologist who worked with the autopsy team on JFK, Jenkins was at that time in a Ph.D. program in pathology. ( High Treason II , p. 226) The HSCA's Jim Kelly and Andy Purdy reported that Jenkins "said he saw a head wound in the "...middle temporal region back to the occipital." (HSCA interview with Curtis Jenkins, Jim Kelly and Andy Purdy, 8-29-77. JFK Collection, RG 233, Document #002193, p.4) He told author, David Lifton, "I would say that parietal and occipital section on the right side of the head--it was a large gaping area...It had just been crushed, and kind of blown apart, toward the rear."

                              (Lifton, Best Evidence ", p. 616) When Lifton told Jenkins that photographs showed that the back of the head was essentially intact, except for a small bullet entry wound at the top, he responded, "That's not possible, That is totally--you know, there's no possible way. Okay? It's not possible." ( Best Evidence , p. 617) Jenkins told Livingstone, "Everything from just above the right ear back was fragmented...there was (an absence of scalp and bone) along the midline just above the occipital area....this (wound) would not have been low enough to have gotten into the cerebellum." ( High Treason II , p. 228). Jenkins' views, whether as given by the HSCA, Livingstone, or Lifton, are noteworthy by their consistency, and as Jenkins was in a Ph.D. pathology program, his anatomic specificity is of value.

                              Testimony Of Clinton J. Hill, Special Agent, Secret Service

                              Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?

                              Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.



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                              • #75
                                I walked into a branch of CITI bank and mentioned in a discussion that the FED had killed JFK. It took them by surprise. MSM won't touch the subject. There is an investors newsletter called the Daily Reckoning that is pretty mainstream. Today, they had a headline.


                                Did the Fed Kill President Kennedy?

                                I know it sounds shocking…

                                But our sources have uncovered a “smoking gun” to Kennedy’s assassination.

                                A document that we believe may reveal who killed Kennedy… and why.

                                This is by far the most controversial thing we’ve ever published at Agora Financial. So we have no idea how long this video will stay online.

                                The URL is pretty long,, hope that it doesn't break.
                                JFK’s Secret Currency

                                The important thing is that the media is less gun shy about talking about forbidden subjects.

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