Electronic Pickpocket - WATCH OUT!

[Aaron]

I don't personally have anything with RFID, but this is way too easy
to do with "off the shelf" parts. Some RFID can be picked up at 25 feet
admitted by the credit card company - even though they downplay saying
that nothing can be done with the obtained data.

Electronic Pickpocketing Targets Credit and Debit Cards with RFID Technology - WREG

Response from credit card companies:
http://www.wreg.com/news/wreg-credit...199734.acrobat

[Mad Scientist]

Being able to remotely read the chip I think is a minor problem.

The banks and the powers-that-be would love to see RFID chips in wide usage. As a cashless society could then evolve. Think of the convenience of walking into a store grabbing what you want and simple waving your chipped hand over a sensor, the one with the cancerous tumor growing around the chip, and have your account instantly debited. Who would be apposed to having a convenience such as this?

Also this could provide total tracking control over all commerce. If everything, goods and services, required a chip then they could be continually tracked and adjustments made in the delivery system on the fly if needed. Much greater efficiency could be achieved and with all transactions monitored the correct taxes would always be collected. In addition sales of inappropriate material to unapproved individuals could be banned. If someone were to continue to try and buy material that was determined to be inappropriate for them they could easily be tracked down for police action. Or simply have there chip turned off and be locked out of participating in this all loving caring society.

Welcome to a brave new world.

[Aaron]

with or without consent

Being able to remotely read the chip I think is a minor problem.

This is the point, reading it remotely isn't a problem conceptually if only
the credit card readers that the user is knowingly using is reading it.

There is a major problem if just anyone with a reader can get it without
their knowledge - and if they can actually do something with the info.

Most people probably will just go along with this as they don't exercise
choice in most things in their life anyway (blowing around like a leaf in
the wind). Being able to wave their card over a remote reader has already
been in place for a while and it is a matter of time until this is more
accepted.

In Washington state, there is the "enhanced" driver's license, which allows
someone to go across to Canada and it has a RFID chip that can be read
up to 25 feet away.

Other RFID chips can only be read by much shorter distances.

In any case, yes, A Brave New World.

[noises]

You know, none of this cashless society, brave new world stuff frightens me half as much as how many people willingly go along with and participate in it, either in blind faith or gross stupidity. The ones who're more than complicit, the instigators and perpetrators, well, good luck to them, they've made their moral bed and they can lie in it. It's the drone mentality of the herd when they don't say "NO!" that scares me. Why wouldn't you want a credit card they say, it's so easy to pay all of your bills, and buy your iPhone, and top up your credit, go on holidays, buy a few bottles of red wine at a particular store every thursday evening, buy your gas at the same service station every time, who cares if your every cent is tracked and tagged and a pattern emerges of your movements based on your spending? It's so convenient and simply EVERYBODY does it...

Well, I don't. I don't own a credit card. Never have, never will, except for those neat, anonymous ones I can walk into any store and pay cash for a pre-paid amount, which expire when they've been spent out. I've brought a few things online with them, used them as collateral for the deposit to hire trucks and vans a few times and then, on getting them returned after the hire ends, used for groceries and bills just to spend them out. I prefer cash or barter.

If they chip those pre-paid cards too, then it'll just be a matter of carrying them in a lined case to prevent RFID skimming. You watch, there'll be a counter measure, something as simple as, say, a lead lined card holder, just enough to block the Tx from a skimmer from reading your card. But you have to take the step of opting out of being on record first, you have to understand how the tech is used, and what perfectly lawful means are available to you to circumvent it, without opting out of the prevailing consumer/capitalist society altogether. Too much thinking involved for with that most though. I guess that's the part that frightens me about them, they don't think much.

[faramog]

build a minute faraday cage ... or perhaps wallets could have them built in. That will block the hackers

[jibbguy]

RFID and Kanzius Tech have something in common

I used to work in the field of RFID, my employer was one of first major players in it, and i was part of a team that sold complete systems to the US government's "GSA" (it was about a $20 million a year deal then and was only about inventory/warehousing of military supplies)... i and others gave Presentations to their engineers, it was my last major assignment before i quit the corporate world.

We also sold to Walmart (mostly to manufacturers who were their suppliers). With a stroke of a pen, Walmart ORDERED every one of their suppliers to implement RFID, or their wares would not be accepted any more. Such is the POWER of Walmart's Buyers sitting in their castle in Arkansas, that it created the entire RFID industry essentially in ONE DAY simply by making that draconian order.

RFID is really not much to worry about tho, imo:

It only takes milli-watts of radiated energy to jam them, well below the FCC laws And they are fairly easy to shield and insulate against... lol the real challenge is getting them to read reliably

Depending on the operating F used (for instance, the Frequency that is used in shipping/warehousing is "13.56 MHz"... oddly very close to the same F that John Kanzius discovered as the resonant one for disassociation of sea water, the tech now being SHELVED at Penn State U

(Dr. Rustum Roy's lab there, please WRITE THEM AND REMIND THEM THAT WE KNOW AND HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN),

ever since Mr. Kanzius' death... you can buy a transceiver on the web and write to the chips yourself (they start at around $300 )... I often thought those commercial transceivers would make a good "front end" Oscillator stage for a Kanzius free energy system; the output going to an amplifier stage

For instance, whenever you walk by one of those corporate readers trying to suck free marketing info, the chip can be programmed to read: "F-U" or "Your Mother is a ___" or anything you like depending on the memory size / character count of the particular chip

It would be very interesting, and telling, for them to create laws to stop that kind of thing... A new law that says a corporation can monitor you at all times, and you are not allowed to do anything to stop it, lol? Currently, no such laws exist.... but i wouldn't bet they wont try.

[Aaron]

shielded holder

That news report with the guy taking the info from people's cards -
he shows at the end a shielded container for the credit cards. That was
his whole point was that he offered the solution for that. It looked like a
transparent piece of plastic.