The United Nations calls for One world currency

[kcarring]

those book companies are multi-national corporations that are hell bent on depowering people through the gradual transformation of the language itself.

Very important point. Patriotism itself, like any "behaviour" is subject to behaviour modification, and that is something that had been brain beaten into Americans for over a hundred years. There is nothing wrong with true patriotism perhaps, but when a society is brainwashed into supporting a war that isn't even what it appears to be... a facade of covert and diverted operations, an exercise in global dominance... suddenly "Support Your Troops" takes on a whole new meaning. Canada's no better really either, I should add... we've gone right down the same G-D road,... Once there was a time when wars were real... and those wars taught our government to STAY in wars. Wars are global business. War IS a global pissing match that makes political sense. Wars work excellent with the 14th amendment. None of us today really ought to be true classic "patriots", there is so little to actually be proud of. Patriotism could take on a whole different definition, and meaning - in this day and age.

[noises]

None of us today really ought to be true classic "patriots", there is so little to actually be proud of. Patriotism could take on a whole different definition, and meaning - in this day and age.

I agree. Patriotism is, to me, a sense of pride in your collective subset. But that pride needs to be based on more than simply being told "you have to be proud of your country, if you're not proud and 100% supportive of your government, without question, you're not a patriot."

I note with interest the mention of the founding fathers. It's a known thing I'm a huge fan of the liberties and rights and instruments of law that group of men enacted. But remember, they did it through conflict, in unlawful dissent against their government. Their dissent caused a war. So why would I be supportive of them? Well, because of the moral imperative behind what they did. That's something people should take pride in being associated with. The concept of equality, preserved by fair, representative government, that's something i could get patriotic about. But then, the founding fathers are a long time dead. So we sort of have to look at our government and our country today and say "is what I see worthy of my pride?" It's a hard question. Now here's the difference between a patriot and a nationalist. A nationalist will overlook their nations flaws and feel pride because they consider it a duty, a patriot will call the flaws out and seek to redress them, because he feels that is his duty. One feels pride in his country because of an assumption, the other because of an assessment.

[life4living]

I would like to say there are some incredibly intelligent and articulate posters in this forum. It's a blessing to interact with you.

My other point makes reference to something one of those very posters wrote - Kcarring:

"...Once there was a time when wars were real..."

When was that?

[ImBill]

Thanks, Aaron, for your well thought out reply.

Being spirited about one's own culture is patriotic and doesn't have to
have anything to do with politics.

This is certainly true, but quite often it does become political. While we enjoy our own American (United States) culture, we are also a blend of all cultures from all corners of the earth. Sometimes we embrace and celebrate these different cultures (Cinco de Mayo, Columbus Day, St. Patrick's Day, etc. all come to mind). I think that's something that patriotic Americans have a tendency to forget and that is that we couldn't exist without this mixture of all cultures. This is also true of other countries as well.

Nationalism is extreme and arrogant anyway whether it is seen as belligerent. The expression of superiority and the need to dominate and
conquer others is the trait of a nationalist, while it is not the mindset of
a patriot.

I'm a patriotic American, I respect and admire what our Founding Fathers
stood for as well as what they sacrificed. I love this country and feel
blessed that I'm an American.

As do I. But above that, I much more strongly feel blessed to enjoy the bounty that mother Earth provides that comes to me through the efforts of all people everywhere and the spiritual essence that pervades all that we can possibly be aware of. I very strongly wish that this is what all cultures and people would celebrate and acknowledge above and beyond any other affiliations.

My father is originally from Japan but came to the states and eventually served 20 years in the U.S. Air Force.

My stepfather that raised me from the age of 3 was born in North Dakota. He joined the Army during World War II and afterwards continued his service in the reserves for at least another 40 years, reaching the rank of Full Colonel. As a side note, he apparently was so disappointed in my two brothers and I for not joining the military, that he purposely cut off all communication with us for the last 30 years of his life. We didn't find out what we had done wrong until after his death when our cousins finally told us after meeting them again after his military funeral.

I spent 14 years of my life (non-consecutive years) in Japan and still have family there but I am loyal to this country and I think loyalty to one's country is very patriotic.

I remain loyal to this country but not so much our government as I see that they no longer remain loyal to the principles upon which this country was founded. They very obviously think that it is okay to lie to us on an almost constant basis.

I respect and admire the rest of the global family and don't feel the need
to dominate anyone. For example - the Founding Fathers STRONGLY
believed in the other country's autonomy - something that a Nationalist
just can't do because their in the superiority mindset - again, while the
Patriot is not.

Agreed.

Wanting illegals deported is not the same as nationalism as it is illegal
and is draining the country's resources, which is another great drain on
our economy.

As are lazy people who stay on welfare and milk the other freebies our country provides to help those in need. I would argue that not all illegals are a drain on our economy, just as I would argue that not all legal citizens contribute to our economy. However, as you, I would agree with deportation of those who are not here legally, because it is the law. From a higher perspective, this planet is the only place where we can currently live out our lives and I feel that we should all be free to come and go as we please without regulation. But, I don't see that happening any time soon unless there is a major shift in global consciousness. With our current collective mind set and social mores, we do need regulation.

The nationalists fall prey to group dynamics and blow around like a leaf
in the wind - the gang mentality while a patriot really thinks for
him/herself and actually uses reason in their thinking and embrace who
they are without degrading others.

Well put. Thanks again!

[ImBill]

I would like to say there are some incredibly intelligent and articulate posters in this forum. It's a blessing to interact with you.

My other point makes reference to something one of those very posters wrote - Kcarring:

"...Once there was a time when wars were real..."

When was that?

Hopefully, Kcarring will come back to this thread to answer your question. In the meantime, the way I read that statement was "Once there was a time when the reasons for wars were real." Hopefully I didn't misinterpret as I would agree with you that as written it wouldn't make much sense.

[life4living]

Even with your interpretation, IMBill, my question still stands

[Aaron]

overcome tyranny

I'm a huge fanvof the liberties and rights and instruments of law that group of men enacted. But remember, they did it through conflict, in unlawful dissent against their government. Their dissent caused a war. So why would I be supportive of them? Well, because of the moral imperative behind what they did. That's something people should take pride in being associated with. The concept of equality, preserved by fair, representative government, that's something i could get patriotic about. But then, the founding fathers are a long time dead. So we sort of have to look at our government and our country today and say "is what I see worthy of my pride?" It's a hard question. Now here's the difference between a patriot and a nationalist. A nationalist will overlook their nations flaws, a patriot will call the flaws out and seek to redress them. One feels pride because of an assumption, the other because of an assessment.

Good points...

I think the Founding Fathers knew it was their duty to God to overcome
tyranny. My personal belief but I believe God demands it.

And I agree that it is a patriot's duty to hold one's government
accountable - absolutely.

[teslaproject]

Oh Gawd

Dear me

Ash do you even read these articles properly or research anything beyond the stupid rants of inflammatory internet scaremongering websites that do not have a clue themselves as to what the facts are???

Fair dinkum! I have no idea what this has to do with energy or anything practical in the first place. However, if you want to talk about it here are the facts -

A Global currency does NOT mean we are under some evil empire and suddenly all have the same banknotes the world over. For a start, we are already under a evil empire LOL (The Fed and it's Cronies).

Currently, all major currencies are paired against the US Dollar...in order for the world to work, you have to compare against a benchmark and this was fine for decades for as long as the USD was a GOOD benchmark. Unfortunately, the old US of A is nothing but a decaying, bankrupt, ugly old corrupt ***** who doesnt know when to tighten the purse strings and it is time enough to start comparing the value of things against something else.

I used to have this conversation with people, and always pondered whether they might make the new benchmark something that is old as time like Gold or another commodity. Anyway, speculation aside, this is all a SDR (your feared 'Global Currency') will do - seek to bring a new pairing and stability to foreign exchange.

The Special Drawing Right (SDR) already exists so get over it! It just isnt used to the extent that it probably should be given the worlds precarious financial situation.

Enough is enough...given the rate at which the US prints money and its overall debt, the USD should be worth many times LESS than the Zimbabwe Dollar but NO...the powers that be manipulate and allow the charade to continue.

Bring it on I say...Burn Rome and her whoring ways to the ground...burn it all.

BTW Ash, have you figured out that there's no overunity in Steorn yet?

Have a great day.

TeslaProject

[aljhoa]

Dear me

Enough is enough...given the rate at which the US prints money and its overall debt, the USD should be worth many times LESS than the Zimbabwe Dollar but NO...the powers that be manipulate and allow the charade to continue.

Bring it on I say...Burn Rome and her whoring ways to the ground...burn it all.

TeslaProject

Research the so-called internal devaluations of Argentina, Latvia and Grease.
Who benefits?
Al

[Mad Scientist]

Ever since the FRB bought off our congress into giving them control of our money supply they have been slowly and deliberately destroying it. As a result much of the real tangible wealth of the country has been turned over to a few elite individuals. These people do not give a wit about nationalism or patriotism, their only goal is to acquire power and they have no problem in destroying a country to get it.
If they succeed in wrecking the dollar have no fear as they will then "publicly" bring out the SDR which is why it is already in place, its just waiting for the right timing. If that happens I suspect the many of the sheeple will obediently bow down and worship this new form of currency.

Hail, hail the old king is dead, hail the new king, same as the old king. and the beat goes on.

But only if we will allow it to happen.

[noises]

Hey speaking of the UN, in three days, Australia will be in line for a comprehensive Universal Human Rights review by the UN. The whole world will get to hear about our abysmal record vis a vis mandatory detention of refugees (most of which come from Afghanistan, a country we've got soldiers on the ground invading, and east Africa.)

We'll get the spotlight thrown on our ongoing indigenous health and law enforcement issues which if you ask me are an international shame and a disgrace, but if you ask my government, we are moving forward progressively and we're seeing some real improvements. I think they're liars on that front, and even their own figures show it. How do you spin away the fact if you're an aboriginal, you're 400% more likely to go to prison than a white Australian, and have a life expectancy just shy of two decades shorter?

Unfortunately I doubt we'll get much attention given to the rights of people who're found mentally unfit and detained against their will in mental health institutions, or the shocking and tragic treatment those unfortunate people are subjected to, but we might. That'd be good, I wish more people knew about that, maybe they'd insist things change. I've seen people go from sanity to a successful suicides in three months at the hands of the department of mental health, frankly it's the stuff of nightmares, what can happen if a doctor decides you're a whacko. (And this happens most frequently to people who're "difficult" in police custody.)

Still. Any throwing of international spotlights onto the things my government does that are contrary to the rights of all the human beings who make up this country, including the ones who just got here, is a good thing in my books. I welcome there being an authority over my government, that has the ability to hold them accountable under international law, and I'm keenly waiting for the review's findings. If everyone's only talking about what we do right, nobody ever does anything about the things we do wrong. I think it's healthy for the media and the populace to have some negatives to mull over and face up to. Too much positivity and self adulation can kill a country.