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**mbrownn** · 03-10-2011, 03:07 AM

Excellent post

**rickoff** · 03-10-2011, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by john_g View Post

- Roger entered the court to face a bankruptcy hearing related to non payment of council tax. With him went a Grand Jury, a Posse, and the Militia. These are all common law agencies which exist, but are mainly unused, in British law.

- He asked the Judge three times if he would give his oath. The judge refused. Roger attempted to make a citizens arrest as is his duty under our constitution, and asked for assistance from the posse. The police prevented the arrest and in the process committed treason.

Thanks for your post. I watched Roger's video and enjoyed that. I do have a couple of questions that you can probably answer:

1. Being from the USA, I am not familiar with "council tax," but from what I understand it would seem to be a municipal tax used for funding local schools, police, fire department, highway department, recycling center, etc. Here in USA this is funded through property taxes on real estate that we own, so is council tax really the same thing, or is it in addition to property taxes?

2. Roger asked the judge to give his oath to what?

Thanks for your assistance,

Rick

**mbrownn** · 03-11-2011, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by rickoff View Post

Thanks for your post. I watched Roger's video and enjoyed that. I do have a couple of questions that you can probably answer:

1. Being from the USA, I am not familiar with "council tax," but from what I understand it would seem to be a municipal tax used for funding local schools, police, fire department, highway department, recycling center, etc. Here in USA this is funded through property taxes on real estate that we own, so is council tax really the same thing, or is it in addition to property taxes?

2. Roger asked the judge to give his oath to what?

Thanks for your assistance,

Rick

Council tax is a complex issue, the short answer is yes it�s the same but although it has some links to the value of a property it is also linked to the number of people resident at that property.

It is to pay for all things that a council buys and all services provided, it also covers grants given to people by the council and any other disbursements.

For example I know of a case where 60,000 pounds was given to a gay and lesbian women group, of which there were 4 members and one of them being a council member. This was 20 years ago so think how much that would be today. I don�t have a problem with this group because of their sexual orientation, I just ask why they were given the money?

It is for roads but we also have a road tax as well that is paid to her majesty�s government, so they get it twice. It does go to local health care but we have an additional national insurance charge (tax) as well. It does go to funding local schools, police and fire department but again this is supposed to come out of our income tax as well.

In all honesty, council tax, is used for the benefit of the people more than any other tax; however it is totally disproportionate and unfair how it is collected and much of the money is spent on unnecessary and unjust causes as well as corruption.

On the oath, I don�t have a full answer. I know they swear allegiance to her majesty and the crown (a corporation of sorts), but I believe there is a common law part to it too. Maybe that part has been dropped now like the doctors Hippocratic oath.

Ohhh dear, I bet this post will be controversial.

PS I don't live in the yUK anymore.

**rickoff** · 03-15-2011, 05:25 PM

Thanks mbrownn, that explains a lot. I'm still wondering, though, what it really was that Roger wanted from the judge, but which the judge refused to give. Does anyone (other than Roger, of course) know?

Rick

**ImBill** · 03-15-2011, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by rickoff View Post

Thanks mbrownn, that explains a lot. I'm still wondering, though, what it really was that Roger wanted from the judge, but which the judge refused to give. Does anyone (other than Roger, of course) know?

Rick

I don't have time right now to review the written part of the UK constitution, but as that is referenced in the post above, I would imagine that the oath Roger was trying to get the judge to take has something to do with what is written in the constitution. I would further imagine that the oath has something to do with the duly appointed judge swearing an oath to uphold the laws set forth in the constitution, the main tenets of which are that all citizens are created equal and should have equal protection and rights under the law. Further that all laws should be enforced equally and that a position of power should not exempt one from having the law enforced equally upon one.
Of course, this is just my opinion, but I would urge you to review the constitution of the UK to deduce the answer to your question about the oath, if you are sincerely interested.

**ImBill** · 03-15-2011, 07:36 PM

Here's a link to a Judicial Oath in the UK: Oath

Not sure if it is the one referenced in the article above or not. I would imagine that this is an oath a judge would take upon entering office and I'm thinking it would be considered a trivial, perhaps even insulting, matter by the court for a plaintiff to require the judge to reiterate the oath during/prior to a proceeding since the oath has already been taken officially at a prior time (upon taking office), much as it would here in the US. Imagine if you were in traffic court and before your case was heard, you asked the judge to iterate the oath of office and then tried to arrest the judge if they refused your request. I'm not denying that the accused here probably had just cause to not pay the council tax, just as we would have just cause not to pay income tax, as there is no law here requiring us to pay income tax. As it is apparently applied in the UK, it is unfairly collected and probably not supported by general law that states such things should be applied equally to all citizens, regardless of standing or position, just as our income tax is not supported by the COTUS.

**rickoff** · 03-16-2011, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by ImBill View Post

Here's a link to a Judicial Oath in the UK: Oath

Not sure if it is the one referenced in the article above or not. I would imagine that this is an oath a judge would take upon entering office and I'm thinking it would be considered a trivial, perhaps even insulting, matter by the court for a plaintiff to require the judge to reiterate the oath during/prior to a proceeding since the oath has already been taken officially at a prior time (upon taking office), much as it would here in the US.

Thanks, Bill,

This is the UK judicial oath: "I, NAME, do swear that I will well and truly serve our Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth in the office of ...., and I will do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will. So help me God."

This probably is what Roger asked for in the article, although the article does not make that clear. I can see where a judge might find it annoying to be asked to recite his oath before a proceeding, but when witnesses must swear an oath in court then it seems that judges should also be willing to do this if requested to. It would only take a few seconds, and when refused it would lead people to believe that the judge does not ascribe to the ideals of the oath.

Our President, and our representatives in Congress, all take an oath to uphold our Constitution, and defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, but to most it appears to be just lip service. I expect the same is true of judges.

Rick

**john_g** · 03-17-2011, 10:33 PM

Re Judges Oath

Hi
The judge would not confirm that he was on oath. In another case in the UK the judge has stated that she does not need to be, or words to that effect, and saying that it is a statute court! ie a state court, (used to be apparently called a Star court - no jury). The police do not appear to understand the law relating to courts either - these are very worrysome times. Also recent evidence has found that the local government are creating frauduantly court paperwork. When you start delving into the UK justice system, it seems it is totally corrupt... We also seem to have 2 standards of law - a government employee who is a child abuser appears not to be investigated but a public member will. Have a look at:

Hollie Demands Justice | We are working directly with Hollie Greig, Anne Greig and Robert Green

I have done a little to help out to get justice in this case - what you read is all totally true. Note there are other spoof sites related to this case, maybe funded by the tax payer that offer a different view - great people being able to trace ISPs.

Also the cancer in the UK democracy is the supposed charity Common Purpose, may also be in USA - used to be run from the Labour deputy leaders office: See:

Common Purpose Exposed - cpexposed.com

Regards

John

**shawn** · 03-18-2011, 12:40 AM

What Roger was seeking to do is pretty much the same thing as asking if a police officer is acting in their capacity as either act enforcement officer or peace officer and if you ( in general )don't know the difference then you ought to read the law so as to remedy that very glaring bit of ignorance, as ignorance is no excuse.
Hint: the 2 are very different in their agendas.

A judge acting under oath is working for the people before him/her, whereas the judge not doing so is working to gather revenue...period.

**john_g** · 03-23-2011, 07:50 PM

UK Court Owned by IMB

As an example of what we think is a government office, but is not, this is from a recent case in the UK..

"The Police Seargeant, On Record, In The Court explained how Devon & Cornwall Police and Torquay Magistrates Court are owned and run by a US Subsidiary of IBM called RELIANCE INC. - So .. proof positive that we are dealing with corporations!"

So it would appear that some UK justice has been privitised.

**beckistar** · 03-30-2011, 12:32 PM

very interesting thread. I too disagree with council tax and feel we are being well and truly ripped off.

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