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  • Originally posted by mbrownn View Post
    I was talking with three friends today about Fukushima, Can you believe it? One of them, a now 78 year old former worker (almost twice my age) at a nuclear plant the same as me, wanted to fight me because he disagreed with what I said. He believes that the plant suffered hydrogen explosions and all is well now and it isn't as bad as Chernobyl. The level of mind control exerted on the masses by the main stream media is astonishing.
    It amazes me how can nuclear scientist confuse hydrogen explosion with nuclear event. I was close (too close for my comfort) to Chernobyl site during the incident and had been supplied with data which were not to be disclosed to general public. Matter of fact, it never became a public knowledge that enormous effort and mobilizing on the scale comparable to Stalingrad defense prevented catastrophe which would render most of Europe uninhabitable for centuries. By any means, this isn't over yet and far from being safe or - using TEPCO jargon - "under control".
    What is happening in Japan looks to me like a horrific deja vu with confusion, cover up, media control, conflicting statements and general public left in the dark. What is different in this particular case is that media blackout and even health organizations coverup extended worldwide. To me, any secrecy means sinister intents and centralized cover up. If this assumption is logical than it becomes logical that there is a centralized effort to keep a lid on this event. Question is: who and why is so concerned to keep it low profile and downgrading severity at the cost of human life,suffering and trauma. Who has long and powerful enough hands to control this globally?
    Well, without pointing finger at culprit who owns 85% shares in nuclear industry worldwide? Who has enough persuading power$ to do that?
    Stating that this is far less serious than Chernobyl maybe comforting but very far from the truth and this as well is far from over or "being under control" - with exception of media coverage control.

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    • what is going on?

      Unit 2 at Byron Nuclear Station (IL) Loses Power, Shuts Down - Unusual Event Level 2 - Jan. 30 - YouTube

      If backup gen's kicked in immediately than where is this steam coming from? You have to overheat the coolant to cause pressure buildup, which has to be released. Smoke coming from the switching station? Possible overload of internal power grid caused by Solar activity? There was a release of substances to the air and I doubt that anyone is going to believe it is "beneficial" to us.

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      • Another one?

        San Onofre nuclear power plant unit shut down after potential leak - latimes.com

        I tried to edit previous post and insert this link but it didn't allow me.

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        • More from Fukishima

          Unfortunately, not good news.

          Kyodo: Leaking water at Reactor No. 4 “in contact with fuel in spent fuel tank” — May be from cold weather OR explosions
          Title: Radioactive water leaking from inside Fukushima No. 4 reactor
          Source: Kyodo
          Date: February 1, 2012


          Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday that it has found radioactive water leaking from a broken pipe connected to the No. 4 reactor [...]

          The water contains radioactive materials as it is mixed up with water that is in contact with the fuel in the spent fuel tank. [...]

          According to the utility known as TEPCO, about 6 liters [???] of water were found to have leaked onto the floor of the No. 4 unit building at 10:30 p.m. Tuesday [...]

          [Tepco] believes it may have some connection with the recent cold weather or the explosions that took place at the plant in the early phase of the nuclear crisis.

          The density of radioactive substances included in the water is estimated at 35.5 becquerels per cubic centimeter [35,500 Bq/liter], according to TEPCO.

          Kyodo: Pipe connected to Reactor No. 4 drops off — 1,000 times more radioactive water leaked than first reported

          Title: TEPCO says 8.5 tons of water leaked from Fukushima No. 4 reactor
          Source: Kyodo
          Date: Feb. 1

          Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday that 8.5 tons of radioactive water leaked from the No. 4 reactor of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi power plant because a pipe connected to the reactor dropped off [...]

          The water contains radioactive materials as it is mixed up with water that is in contact with the fuel in the spent fuel tank. [...]

          6 liters vs 8.5 tons: “About 6 liters of water were found to have leaked onto the floor”.


          Interesting choice of color
          Photos of workers applying grounds treatment materials around Fukushima Daiichi | Enformable

          There was also a spike in background radiation reported from NZ yesterday.

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          • Fukushima Crisis Awakes

            Just when you thought it was over, the temperature at reactor number 2 at Fukushima’s nuclear plant has soared 26.7 degrees Celsius in the last few hours. Worse: they don’t know why the temperature is increasing after being stabilized for so long.

            The reactor reached 164 degrees Fahrenheit (73.3 degrees Celsius) after being stabilized at 113 degrees Fahrenheit (45 degrees Celsius) since last December. [...]

            At this moment, temperature indicates approx. 71.0 °C (as of 11:00 am on February 6) [...]

            Tepco has admitted that they don’t have a clue about what is going on. They have increased the amount of water pumped into the reactor ten percent, but their technicians don’t know what is going on. [...]

            Helicopters have started to survey the area above the plant to gather information about the current radiation level in the air. [...]

            Executives of the Tokyo Electrical Power (TEPCO), confirmed an increase in temperature in a reactor of the Fukushima nuclear power plant [...]

            The fact questions the government’s decision to review the radiation levels around the facility to remove the exclusion zone of 12.5 miles [...]

            The information indicated that helicopters fly over the region to measure the possible effects of the increase in the air.

            Title: Temperature at No.2 reactor remains high
            Source: NHK
            Date: Monday, February 06, 2012 20:48 +0900 (JST)


            - Attempts to cool the temperature in the No. 2 reactor of the disabled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have only partially succeeded despite the injection of more cooling water. [...]

            TEPCO says the rise in temperatures indicate that the flow of water in the reactor may have changed direction after plumbing work, and is no longer able to properly cool down the melted down nuclear fuel.

            However, the utility says radioactive xenon has not been detected in gases around the reactor, and that nuclear criticality is not taking place. [...]

            Meanwhile, the Chairman of the Nuclear Safety Commission, Haruki Madarame, says that a recurrence of nuclear criticality is unlikely. [...]


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            • Reactor No. 2 temperature breaches safety limit

              Bloomberg: Reactor No. 2 temperature breaches safety limit — Now almost double Feb. 1 level — Validity of safety declaration questioned — Nearly 200°F

              Tepco Says Fukushima Reactor Temperature Breaches Safety Limit

              [...] No. 2 reactor pressure vessel rose to 89.2 degrees Celsius (192.56 Fahrenheit) as of 8:00 a.m. today, higher than the 80 degrees limit, Naohiro Omura, a spokesman for the utility, said by phone today. [...]

              Temperatures at the bottom of the No. 2 reactor vessel may have risen by about 40 degrees Celsius from 50.7 degrees Celsius since Feb. 1, even as the company increased the coolant being injected into the unit, raising questions about the validity the safety declaration.

              [...] possible that unstable water flow into the unit may have kept the coolant from reaching part of melted fuel sufficiently, he said. [...]

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              • Its a ticking time bomb, despite the rhetoric they still don't have it under control.

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                • It's a joke...

                  UPDATE 1-Japan OKs fresh support for Fukushima nuclear plant operator Tepco | Reuters

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                  • secret Tokyo evacuation scenario

                    Title: Factbox: Japan’s hidden nightmare scenario for Fukushima | Reuters
                    Source: Reuters
                    Author: Yoko Kubota
                    Date: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:13am EST


                    Key points from a scenario document, obtained by Reuters, that was compiled by commission chairman Shunsuke Kondo and entitled “Sketches of Scenarios of Contingencies at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power plant”

                    Multiple vapor and hydrogen explosions and a loss of cooling functions at the six reactors at Tokyo Electric Power Co’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant lead to radiation leaks and reactor failures.

                    Thousands of spent fuel rods, crammed into cooling pools at the plant, melt and mix with concrete, then fall to the lower level of the buildings. [...]

                    Reuters on What ‘Actually’ Happened

                    Hydrogen explosions occurred at the No. 1 and No. 3 reactor buildings a few days after the quake. Radiation leaks forced some 80,000 residents to evacuate from near the plant and more fled voluntarily, while radioactive materials have been found in food including fish and vegetable and water .

                    Reactor No. 4 [...] pool caught fire and caused an explosion.

                    I noticed three scale 4 quakes within 27km radius from Fukushima within one day. All happening at 10km depth. Also on previous day - Feb 15, 2012

                    15:28 JST 15 Feb 2012
                    37.8N 141.6E
                    Depth: 40 km
                    Mag: 4.7
                    Fukushima-ken Oki

                    Than, I found this -
                    Jiji: Experts warned today there’s high possibility of strong inland quake hitting Fukushima plant — Water 150km deep may seep into fault triggering massive tremor - "water, ascended from the Pacific slab because of underground pressure, is believed to have seeped into the Idosawa fault, triggering the massive Iwaki shake. A similar event may happen in the Futaba fault, the researchers think".

                    -M7.0 quake can cause Spent Fuel Pool No. 4 to collapse — New study warns fault nearby Daiichi plant ripped open on 3/11; 70% chance of big quake this year

                    Dire warning or mere possibility?

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                    • Cesium fallout spiked to 349,000,000 Bq/km2 in one day at Fukushima City 60km from meltdowns — Near 40-fold increase from previous 24-hour period

                      2.14.09AM‒2.15.09AM

                      Cs-134 @ 4.15 MBq/km2
                      Cs-137 @ 4.83 MBq/km2
                      Total Cs @ 8.98 MBq/km2

                      2.15.09AM‒2.16.09AM

                      Cs-134 @ 150 MBq/km2
                      Cs-137 @ 199 MBq/km2
                      Total Cs @ 349 MBq/km2

                      8.98 to 349 is an increase of 38.86 times.

                      I wonder if there is a link between recent geo disturbance, followed by faulty thermocouples which resulted in high temp. readings and the above..Maybe some faulty radiation monitor...

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                      • I think it is faulty management run by a faulty government on a faulty concept of using something we cannot control to generate electricity.

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                        • Originally posted by mbrownn View Post
                          I think it is faulty management run by a faulty government on a faulty concept of using something we cannot control to generate electricity.
                          I would also add to this list that most nuclear sites, including this one were built on faults or potentially geologically unstable areas. Totally against any common logic.

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                          • Within a few hours from my last post I noticed several quakes- 4 quakes in 90 minutes near Fukushima — Began several hours after intensity 5- quake in Ibaraki. They are quite shallow depth. Last thing this crippled plant needs, especially #4 - pool. I have very uneasy feeling about this place.

                            Another "pearl" - Plutonium up to 1,579 pCi/kg detected near Denver at Rocky Flats.

                            Title: Study: Rocky Flats area still as contaminated with plutonium as 40 years ago
                            Source: Boulder Daily Camera
                            Author: Laura Snider, Camera Staff Writer
                            Date: 02/18/2012 05:51:11 PM MST


                            Driven by concerns that running the Jefferson Parkway across a strip of land along the eastern edge of the Rocky Flats Wildlife Refuge would stir up clouds of plutonium-laden dust, Boulder’s Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center commissioned a study last fall to gauge contamination levels in the area. [...]

                            When federal officials said they planned to rely on testing of the area that was done in the past, Rocky Mountain Peace and Justice Center hired its own contractor to test the soils. But after being denied access to the refuge for testing, that contractor [Marco Kaltofen, president of Boston Chemical Data Corp.] was forced to take samples from just outside the fence along Indiana Street. [...]

                            Plutonium Levels

                            The newly released results show the area is as contaminated by radioactive plutonium now as it was 40 years ago, before the Rocky Flats nuclear weapons plant, which operated on that site, was closed and cleaned up
                            The results show that the plutonium contamination in the area is roughly the same now as it was four decades ago, according to Kaltofen
                            Kaltofen said the finding is surprising because he would have predicted that weathering over the decades, especially from the area’s stiff winds, would have dispersed the particles over time
                            Kaltofen’s results showed levels of plutonium isotopes in the area ranged from 0.019 picoCuries per gram of soil to 1.579 picoCuries per gram
                            Kaltofen said the background plutonium contamination in the West tends to be no more than 0.01 picoCuries per gram
                            U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service says the amount of plutonium contamination found in the soil in the right of way is not at unsafe levels

                            More from Kaltofen

                            “The material is still there; it’s still on the surface”
                            “Essentially, what people found back in the ’70s is still true”
                            “One explanation is that there’s as much material coming from the central part of the site that’s replacing any material that’s eroding or blowing away”.

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                            • No doubt they will put tobacco plantations on the contaminated sites, tobacco has the ability to draw radioactive elements into it, slowly decontaminating the area. Could this be the reason smoking gives you cancer?

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                              • Originally posted by mbrownn View Post
                                No doubt they will put tobacco plantations on the contaminated sites, tobacco has the ability to draw radioactive elements into it, slowly decontaminating the area. Could this be the reason smoking gives you cancer?
                                BINGO...

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