Red Led Light Therapy

[Athena]

Thank you, Solace & Aaron for your information. I'm almost 53 (yikes!) but I don't like the idea of plastic surgery, botox, fillers, or any weird stuff.

In centuries past people didn't have access to arthroscopes and I wonder if they would eventually heal without intervention.

I like to think the body can heal many things on its own, it just takes time.

Yes, cartilage is considered an avascular tissue and any nutrition that the chondrocytes (the cells that secrete the matrix) receive must diffuse over a greater distance than for something such as muscle tissue. I still have my old Histology textbook so I'll quote what it says about cartilage repair:

The Ability of Damaged Cartilage to Repair Itself is Limited
When cartilage is damaged and repair does occur, it is due to activity of the perchondrium mainly and usually only during the period of growth in young individuals. In the adult, typically, the cells of the perichondrium proliferate to initiate repair, but few cartilage cells, if any, are produced. In this case, the repair mostly involves the production of dense connective tissue. However, not infrequently in adults the development of new blood vessels at the site of the healing wound stimulates the growth of bone rather than actual cartilage repair. The limited ability of cartilage to repair itself can cause significant problems in cardiothoracic surgery when costal cartilage must be cut to enter the chest cavity, as in coronary artery bypass surgery.
The reason that bone is produced in favor of cartilage in many repairing sites may, in part, be related to the fact that chondrocytes normally reside in an environment with low oxygen concentration. It has been show experimentally that in cultures of mesenchymal tissue that would ordinarily produce bone, cartilage develops if the oxygen tension is lowered. However, other factors may also play a role.

However, now that we know know that our thoughts can influence health and DNA why not try to visualize new cartilage forming? That would be an interesting experience if you combined the LED therapy along with visualization techniques. It certainly couldn't hurt to try. And if you ask some of us to add our thoughts to yours to form a customized Intention Experiment, who knows what will happen? I don't consider myself a healer, but you can count on my participation.

[Solace]

Athena,

On the topic of healing, you might find something called "Sun Gazing" of interest.

Solar Healing Center

Youtube has videos on "sungazing" also.

[Athena]

Solace, have you tried this? I remember Dr. Mercola posted that link on his website and I read most of the comments posted by the readers. Some thought this man was a hoax because they said he was seen eating more food than what he claimed to need. There must be a ton of traffic this morning at Mercola.com because my connection kept timing out.

I read an interesting book by Machaelle Small Wright about using the White Brotherhood (the ascended masters, that is) for healing. I feel that I'm hijacking this thread so I'll post it on a separate thread later on.

[Aaron]

cartilage

Cartilage can be regenerated if it is not too far gone.

One study done years ago was with rabbits - tendons were severed and
reattached. The tendons were treated with red light and after healed, the
rabbits were sacrificed. The tendons that were cut and reattached and
healed with red light were STRONGER than untouched tendons. It took more
pounds of pull to tear them when they were treated with red light. That isn't
cartilage, but goes to show that tissue type can be strongly regenerated.

There might be some collagen study abstracts in PubMed home in
relation to red light therapy.

There are cartilage studies too but I don't recall off hand. Collagen is from
the ascorbic acid and hyaluronic acid is the "mortar" that bonds the collagen
together. If you study "ground substance" from Linus Pauling and Ewan
Cameron, they give the best science on collagen - mostly from that
cancer treatment standpoint but it applies elsewhere.

Both Dr. McGee that I worked with and my Qigong master friend Rodger
both knew Pauling and Cameron so I was immersed in the collagen rebuilding
methods - but mostly for reversing cancer because that is what most
people coming to Rodger's house was there for. Rodger seemed to be
more interested in the vitamin c connection that McGee.

[Solace]

Yeah, I'm in the process now but have only been doing it for a few weeks. It's not about not eating for me. It's about healing. Even though I've only been doing this for a few weeks, I am seeing some interesting results.

For one, my back is already starting to feel better and today and yesterday have been all clouds (no sungazing). Not sure if it's a placebo effect though... time will tell. My mood is much better when sun gazing too. I can really tell a difference the past few days with all the rain.

If you decide to try it, be sure to read the directions and watch his video before trying it. I didn't follow the directions exactly and gazed longer than suggested but I didn't have any negative effects at all.

Solace, have you tried this? I remember Dr. Mercola posted that link on his website and I read most of the comments posted by the readers. Some thought this man was a hoax because they said he was seen eating more food than what he claimed to need. There must be a ton of traffic this morning at Mercola.com because my connection kept timing out.

I read an interesting book by Machaelle Small Wright about using the White Brotherhood (the ascended masters, that is) for healing. I feel that I'm hijacking this thread so I'll post it on a separate thread later on.

[blackchisel97]

Light Therapy

You got me deeply interested in this subject Aaron. Thanks for all info
I'll try to work on it and test when time permits. Too many unfinished projects


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[HiggsBoson]

However, now that we know know that our thoughts can influence health and DNA why not try to visualize new cartilage forming? That would be an interesting experience if you combined the LED therapy along with visualization techniques. It certainly couldn't hurt to try. And if you ask some of us to add our thoughts to yours to form a customized Intention Experiment, who knows what will happen? I don't consider myself a healer, but you can count on my participation.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the offer Athena, it sounds almost like a group meditation type of excersize.I have read some amazing things about similar excersizes so it certainly couldn't do any harm.
Being a healer would help but any good intentions would be greatly appreciated !
By the way as a weird coincidence I already use visualization techniques in the exact way you suggested.
When I was told I'd never walk again because of a knee injury the visualisation technique worked for me then, so I have no doubt it works.
I was looking into an infrared spotlight array kit of LEDs for the light,but Aarons suggestion of sourcing an automobile type from a junk yard will more than likely be cheaper, the next project will be PIC based system to pulse the light .
It's another coincidence what Aaron mentioned about Pauling and the vitamin C connection, I have an old book by a naturopath - Dorothy Hall who strongly recommends vitamin C for tissue repair and I also love my Qi Gong.
Thanks again.
Whoops it seems I've deleted the opening parenthisis of Athenas' Quote

[Aaron]

tissue repair

It's another coincidence what Aaron mentioned about Pauling and the vitamin C connection, I have an old book by a naturopath - Dorothy Hall who strongly recommends vitamin C for tissue repair and I also love my Qi Gong.

Very cool!

Mineral ascorbates would be the way to go instead of just plain ascorbic
acid since the small intestines need a mineral to hold on to in order to pull
it into the blood - calcium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate, etc...

The Alacer brand Super Gram III's are excellent, my favorite and also Twinlab
has a great mineral ascorbate powder that can be mixed into juice or water
is also very good.

Some hyaluronic acid and even some msm (Methylsulfonylmethane -
sulfur) are good synergizers with the C.

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Here is more on the light therapy I forgot about - but I posted it within
the last few months in response to someone asking about cancer
treatments.

Every cell in the body is photosensitive - it is the mitochondria that
primarily reacts and gets into high gear when it is hit with red and/or
infrared - the entire kreb cycle is cranked up - not just for atp production
but for all the healing abilities of the cell.

There is something that can be taken to enhance all the light therapy.
It is photosensitizing herbs like: Angelica Rhizome, Goldenseal Root, Parsley
Herb, Coriander Seed, Black Walnut Hulls, Pau D'arco Bark, Turmeric
Rhizome, St. Johns Wort (leaf and flower).

But be careful not to be in the sun too long because taking these herbs
can cause sunburn.

In conventional cancer thearpy, they use Photofrin, a synthetic
photosensitive chemical that can be injected. It has an affinity for
tumors and accumulates there more than other places - it does accumulate
in the organs too even without tumors. For esophogeal cancer for example,
photofrin can be injected and fiber optics can be run down the throat and
have the red light put in contact with the cancer that is saturated with the
photofrin. An instant chemical reaction happens that releases a free radical
that turns around and destroys a cancer cell - like a guided missile.

It is approved for use in esophogeal cancer in children. There are other
things this photofrin/red light therapy are branching off to - but I've been
out of the loop for a while.

From our experience, the natural herbs + red light therapy did the same
thing and the interesting thing is that the energy meridians that have been
documented through nuclear medicine tracer migration tests - plus Fritz
Popp's studies showing they transmit light, the tumors can be deep in the
body out of reach of the direct light but they can get treated by exposing
the outer surface of the body with the light - something, which I don't
think the conventional medical world will accept.

[HiggsBoson]

Thanks again Aaron.
Mineral ascorbates and chelation have been an area I've looked into as well. A lot of the better vitamins in Australia are now being marketed as Bio or Bio-Active which as far as I can determine are forms of mineral chelates.
I have been looking into herbs as well and I just found a mixture called Bone Flesh and Cartilage.
Bone, Flesh & Cartilage
The conventional medical establishment seems to have a hard time accepting anything that can't be suppressed by drugs or chopped out.

I'll try the herbs, vitamins and lights before I go for anti this, anti that and scalpels anyday.

[rhozzi]

I did the sun gazing for months a few years ago and my eyesight seemed to get better but it is important that a person do it withing 30 minutes of sundown and within 30 minutes after sunrise. And, they did teach to stand barefoot on earth. Also, start out gradual and work up to longer times.

[Aaron]

sun gazing

Rhozzi,

I did the sungazing also about 30 minutes before sundown. Not much before
sunrise because that was usually not too long after I went to bed.

My Qigong master friend Rodger did this all the time and he considered
himself to be solar powered. I started practicing it after I learned it from him.
Disfocusing the eyes was the key that I found make it possible - like putting
my focus on my peripheral vision instead of what my pupils are aimed at.

It was very rare that I ever got bright spots in my eyes after doing it like
what would be expected.

There is one thing about looking at the horizon where the sun would be at
sunrise - I tried it a handful of times with interesting results.

The sun is actually there 8 minutes before we see it. During that time,
there are emissions that are faster than light - back then it was referred
to as Tachyon energy. It can be absorbed by the body without the visible
light from the sun interfering with it, which it does interfere with those
emissions - whatever you want to call them. So, 8 minutes before sunrise,
face where the sun will be visible and soak it up.

Now thinking about it, I wonder if it can be done any time of the day by
getting behind something that just barely blocks the light - the sun's
actual location would actually be shining directly on us already even if we
don't see it. I can't remember where I learned this from but I tried it about
15 years ago.

The last time I was sun gazing, it was on a daily basis for many months,
I almost forgot about it until I saw it mentioned in this thread and in my
private message recently.

[Aaron]

silica

Thanks again Aaron.
Mineral ascorbates and chelation have been an area I've looked into as well. A lot of the better vitamins in Australia are now being marketed as Bio or Bio-Active which as far as I can determine are forms of mineral chelates.
I have been looking into herbs as well and I just found a mixture called Bone Flesh and Cartilage.
Bone, Flesh & Cartilage
The conventional medical establishment seems to have a hard time accepting anything that can't be suppressed by drugs or chopped out.

I'll try the herbs, vitamins and lights before I go for anti this, anti that and scalpels anyday.

There is one supplement I used to sell at my store. It is made by Jarrow
and is called Biosil. It is the most absorbable silica there is. 20-60 times
more form what I remember and only requires 6 drops or so per dose.
I helps to build collagen by itself but synergizes with the other supplements.

JarroSil

It is a serious water wetter so makes everything more absorbable that
is taken with it.

The interesting thing about silica is the study done with chicken eggs.

They took out 100% of the calcium from a Chicken's diet. They continued
to make perfectly hard eggs. They then took out silica from the diet and
they laid rubbery eggs. That showed there was some transmutation of
elements happening inside the biology to actually create the needed calcium out of the silica.

So if they took out the calcium, it was made from the silica without
cannibalizing the calcium from other sources in the body. It is an interesting
study - I'm sure it is online somewhere.

That doesn't really have anything to do with collagen in particular but
just an interesting tidbit.

Of course I'd use the red light therapy with all of the supplements for
any regeneration needed.

[sucahyo]

Sun gazing

Tesla and sunset gazing:
"Lost Science" by Gerry Vassilatos, Nikola Tesla - The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla - The Man who invented the 20th Century

Tesla's life came into a new focus while walking in a park with some friends, the year 1881. It was late afternoon, and Tesla became entranced with the sight of a glorious sunset. Moved to indescribable emotions, he began quoting a verse from Goethe's "Faust";

"The glow retreats, done is our day of toil; it yonder hastes, new fields of life exploring, ah, can no wing lift me from this soil... upon his track to follow, follow soaring?"

As he reached this last line of verse, Tesla was suddenly seized by an overwhelming vision. In it, he beheld a great vortex, whirling eternally in the sun and driving across the earth with its infinite power. Completely absorbed in this glory, he became catatonic and irresponsive ... to the great fear of his companions. His mind and body buzzing with the power of the vision, he suddenly blurted out, "see my motor here ... watch me reverse it". They shook him, believing he had lost his mind completely.

Rigid and resisting all of their efforts, he would not move until the vision subsided. When he was finally led to a bench, he seemed completely transformed. The remainder of the day was spent in a grand and joyous celebration, Tesla's remaining funds supplying the feast. Throughout the long hours of that night he shared with his friends the great sight he had beheld. They spoke of the sure implications portended for the world's future, and departed with very great expectations.

I think he become a waking somnambulist at that time on the self clairvoyance mode when exposed to the nemetic sunset.

[HiggsBoson]

Thanks for info about silica I've been adding a bit horsetail to my herbal teas but the Jarrosil seems to be a better way to go.

I read something very similar about the chickens and eggs in a book called The Secret Life of Plants, but instead of silica they said mica - Tomaytoes Tomartoes same difference.
Who knew a chicken was an alchemist ?
I didn't.

Suchayo
I've read that story about Tesla too, It was how he visualised the first AC motor if I recall, and it certainly changed the world.

[Solace]

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