High frequency use for health

[Godfrey]

Ancient Healing Technolgy Rediscovered?

Thanks for more great material Sucahyo!

I think Hulda Clark mention human intestinal fluke as the main location of the virus. Where she theorized that you become ill when the virus escape from that place. From what I recall she mention it to be more than one type.

Ah, that would make sense and close the uncertainty gap. Looks like I need to do further reading on her fluke material.

Could Hulda Clark’s diagnostic methods be a rediscovery of knowledge long ago possessed by the ancients?

I just came across a documentary series on ancient Egypt which proposes among other things that the pyramids were constructed to be harmonic resonant power generators and healing devices. In this particular episode, large quartz crystal slabs are revealed inside stone edifices located along “The Band of Peace” (the old Nile River waterfront) which are described as medical diagnostic devices. It is said that running water created the resonant harmonics. Chambers connected to different parts of the quartz slab amplified this sound in such a way that a healing specialist could diagnose a patient lying on the slab by listening into different niches connected to those chambers:

The Pyramid Code - Episode 1 - The Band of Peace part 4

None of the archeologists holding traditional notions about the pyramids as tombs seem to be able to offer adequate explanations as to the purpose of these quartz crystal devices.

- Godfrey

[sucahyo]

Thanks for the link, that is very interesting .

I agree that Clark Diagnostic method may already know by ancient, the knowledge might even still survive to this day.

There are people that put quartz inside a pyramid shaped healing device. Yuo surely will come accross this kind of device sooner or later. If you have it on your possession, be sure to check if it produce ill effect on you. A healing device may or may not be harmfull to wear.

I agree that quartz emit frequency. Just put a quartz crystal in a plastic cup filled with water and then freeze it. You can see a band of bubble which may explain logic behind the resonant chamber.

[Dupe]

Ancient civilisasions could well of held the key to unconventional healing methods, perhaps we are now re-discovering some of these methods in our modern times. From where and how the Human race aquired this knowlege we may never know, but we have survived well enough to this day.

[Godfrey]

Thanks for the link, that is very interesting .

I hadn't even finished The Pyramid Code documentary series when I mentioned it before. I can say it's a real treat for a Tesla technology enthusiast.

Particularly interesting to this thread, is the claim that the Giza Pyramids are located above a complex of limestone tunnels that appear to be partially man made. During an earlier period when the Nile River flowed close by the pyramids, water circulating in the tunnels created electrical currents. The granite of the interior stones of the Great pyramid are naturally radioactive and conductive compared to the outer limestone casing which is more of an insulator. Ionized air would arise in the tunnels deep inside the pyramid and exit the apex in a concentrated manner, generating electricity/orgon.

It is highly conceivable that such powerful broadcasts of orgon energy could accomplish many things which elevated the Egyptian culture.

I know for instance that my garden vegetables grow dramatically after a thunder storm as opposed to just getting watered from a sprinkler system with regular tap water. So this could have partially counted for dramatic crop yields in the Egyptian Delta.

People living in the area would not only be more healthy, but possibly animated intellectually/creatively with a higher (spiritual?) vibration.

Simple devices could have provided light, heat and mechanical automation through inductive reception of the power being broadcast locally.

The documentary goes on to observe that Tesla deliberately located his broadcast power stations above natural aquifers in the earth as part of his scheme.

It was further observed that Stone Henge, Silbury Mound, Avebury Circle and other earth works in and around Salisbury Plain/Wiltshire England also benefit from subterranean aquifers in the chalk.

I've walked that whole area and can attest to the palpable energy level present there. I have also examined fragments of the standing stones around Avebury and observed the dense quartz matrix comprising this blue sarsen stone, which was conveyed there from many miles away. It must be powerfully resonant.

Directly below Chartres Cathedral, a reputed place of healing during medievil times, there were also such underground water channels and perhaps the architects who located it there were conscious of such.

Yes, I'm well aware that all these sites are located along "ley lines", but perhaps there is a relationship - causative or reactive, between such telluric currents and water movement through calcified underground aquifers.

- Godfrey

[Dupe]

Pyramid Power

@ Godfrey

Very interesting post. How do we look upon these ancient generations... seems as though they may have had access to technologies of which our modern civalisations still cannot fully understand, despite all the wonderful technology we currently posses. If there is a link between stone henge and the pyramids, as to their purpose regarding energy, then how was this knowlege aquired by different and unrelated cultures that existed so far appart! Perhaps they were far more advanced than we realise or give credit for. There are plenty of sceptics who shun the idea of coils of wire, magnets, sound waves, high frequencies etc. being claimed as a cure for a variety of illnesses and ailments , however perhaps to ancient cultures these were common place treatments. Replications and results are needed here to keep this subject a progressive thread. Keep posting

[sucahyo]

Very interesting experience Godfrey.

The problem with this kind of healing technology is currently I see two group. One is blind theorist who dismiss an idea before even try it. Other is blind experimenter who always trust what their senior tell them. Both do not link theory and experiment results. Resulting on suppresed development.



There are places that give good healing energy naturally, but ancient building show that they can make artificial healing place too.

Viktor Grebenikov introduce the importance of geometry, Viktor Schauberger introduce the importance of material and vortex, Reich introduce the importance of construction. Someday researcher will find a way to replicate what ancient people can do.

[Godfrey]

Explosion v.s. Implosion Systems

Thanks for you comments, Dupe.

If there is a link between stone henge and the pyramids, as to their purpose regarding energy, then how was this knowlege aquired by different and unrelated cultures that existed so far appart!

Maybe there was an advanced means of transportation or remote communication which closed such distances?

Perhaps they were far more advanced than we realise or give credit for.

Yes! Not that I don’t entertain the possibility of UFOs and such…But this mindset, adopted by ancient alien theorists of attributing every bit of evidence of advanced technology during earlier periods to intelligences elsewhere in the universe than humankind right here on planet earth, is the same type of prejudice.

I think we do have some kind of amnesia about our ancient history beyond 5000 or so years ago. IMO, our very ignorance of these technologies keeps us from correctly interpreting the significance of much archaeological evidence left behind by earlier cultures. Our smug insistence that today we are more technologically advanced than any previous culture, becomes a tinted pair of spectacles which distorts our very perception of the concrete data right in front of our eyes.

The problem with this kind of healing technology is currently I see two group. One is blind theorist who dismiss an idea before even try it. Other is blind experimenter who always trust what their senior tell them. Both do not link theory and experiment results. Resulting on suppressed development.

Sounds like two forms of superstition. I like places like this where we strive to understand the underlying principles and think for ourselves, as well as open our hearts to new possibilities and new information which may require the shedding of old limiting concepts.

Viktor Schauberger introduce the importance of material and vortex

How appropriate that mention of Schauberger, Sucahyo. The late Dr. Abd'el Hakim Awyan, an Egyptian-born archaeologist, claimed to have informed knowledge, through local oral tradition handed down to him by elders, about details of the practices in Ancient Egypt. He was interviewed extensively in The Pyramid Code documentary. Awyan proposed that one of the reasons why we fail to understand the remnants of the technology left behind at the pyramid sites is that it is fundamentally opposite our own energy systems, which are based on explosion. He said the power generated by the pyramids was produced by a sound-based implosion system.

Geometry…material and vortex,…Reich introduce the importance of construction.

Could you please explain more?

- Godfrey

[sucahyo]

Originally Posted by Dupe

If there is a link between stone henge and the pyramids, as to their purpose regarding energy, then how was this knowlege aquired by different and unrelated cultures that existed so far appart!

Maybe there was an advanced means of transportation or remote communication which closed such distances?

They both made of stone so we should not underestimate stone in FE research. On Edward Leedskalnin research for instance.

I think we do have some kind of amnesia about our ancient history beyond 5000 or so years ago. IMO, our very ignorance of these technologies keeps us from correctly interpreting the significance of much archaeological evidence left behind by earlier cultures. Our smug insistence that today we are more technologically advanced than any previous culture, becomes a tinted pair of spectacles which distorts our very perception of the concrete data right in front of our eyes.

I believe there are people ilke Tesla in the past. Otherwise, we would not see ancient remnant that produce / use electricity.

Sounds like two forms of superstition. I like places like this where we strive to understand the underlying principles and think for ourselves, as well as open our hearts to new possibilities and new information which may require the shedding of old limiting concepts.

Actually I am comparing free energy forum with orgone forum.

Awyan proposed that one of the reasons why we fail to understand the remnants of the technology left behind at the pyramid sites is that it is fundamentally opposite our own energy systems, which are based on explosion. He said the power generated by the pyramids was produced by a sound-based implosion system.

Thanks for the info .

Geometry…material and vortex,…Reich introduce the importance of construction.

Could you please explain more?

I am talking about how an energy that can not be detected with modern measurement tool can give influence physically and can be manipulated via physical means. VG show geometry change it, VS show material change it, WR show construction accumulate it, KW show construction change it. WR call it orgone.

[Godfrey]

They both made of stone so we should not underestimate stone in FE research. On Edward Leedskalnin research for instance.

Indeed! I think the north and south magnets described by Ed Leedskalnin, in his Magnetic Current book as the basic units making up all phenomena, and the dipolarity of all life – the opposite poles of nature described by Viktor Schauberger in his implosion theory are the same in principle.

Everything on earth, even the stones, display life and consciousness. Crystals in particular, seem to me expressions of highly organized, evolved life relative to the mineral realm. Abd El Hakim Awyan makes special note in The Pyramid Code, with regards the working principles of the pyramids as power stations, that the granite in them is living.

Who can deny the modern technical benefits of discovering stone crystals could regulate the frequency of an oscillating circuit?

Leedskalnin, who claimed to know the ancient pyramid builder’s secret, indeed appears most likely to have rediscovered vibratory techniques for stone levitation. It may have been done exclusively with sound by the Egyptians, but what is sound, but a bandwidth of frequencies of vibration? And vibration – what is it but oscillating movement between two opposing poles?

Leedskalnin had to have accomplished levitation – self-evident from the scale of the monuments he single handedly conveyed around on a regular basis. Deducing the clues left behind at Coral Castle, he may have used radio frequencies modulated through iron cable wrapped around his stone monoliths to induce a state change in the gravitational polarity of the structural fields of the stone.

Relative to our discussion here, vibration is being applied to healing. Discoveries in the orgone/radionics field have certainly demonstrated the value of stone and crystal as aids in the process.

I believe there are people ilke Tesla in the past. Otherwise, we would not see ancient remnant that produce / use electricity.

The Bagdad battery was also mentioned in The Pyramid Code. People have wondered what on earth could one practically do with such small voltages, and it has been speculated that these devices were used for electroplating jewelry.

What occurs to me in context of this thread is that all one would need to do is run that battery current through a simple cam on a small hand or foot operated spinning wheel to get the square wave pulses and frequency which would effectively create a working form of ancient health zapper a la Clark.

Actually I am comparing free energy forum with orgone forum.

Then let my observation stand as a notice regarding my own disposition as a forum participant outside your two categories. Though I will always remain an eternal student learning from everyone and my humble command of electronics dictates I follow the trails blazed by others here for the time being. But I wouldn’t be wasting my precious time here talking about such subjects if my own intuitions about energy hadn’t strongly guided me this way in the first place.

I understand, however, that you’ve had at least one bad experience with obstinate arm chair theorists, who jumped to some very rude, unfair and completely unimaginative conclusions, in another forum, when you attempted to share your research. Sorry – just trying to do my own homework regarding your Stingo circuit and came across it. But I hope it didn’t cause you to conclude everyone thinks that way.

I agree that the orgone/radionics/psionics enthusiasts can be awfully superstitious about the way they follow working principles/practices of “seniors”. But that’s as much a consequence of the lack of detectability of the phenomena involved as it is a mindset. As well, the conscious awareness and intention of the opperator is an integral part of system loop in radionics/psionics setups like Welz’ Chi machines, diminishing the objectivity of what passes for technology.

- Godfrey

[sucahyo]

The Bagdad battery was also mentioned in The Pyramid Code. People have wondered what on earth could one practically do with such small voltages, and it has been speculated that these devices were used for electroplating jewelry.

Sooner or later people may discover something like ancient crystal based electrical generator. Indian Vimana script mention how ancient know how to manipulate mercury to produce energy.

But I hope it didn’t cause you to conclude everyone thinks that way.

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't be posting here anymore.

Many people here believe in FE leader like John Bedini, Peter Lindemann, Tom Bearden, Eric Dollard. But there is only few who also believe in what those people suggest about unseen energy. Other think that in a wire there are only electricity and magnetism and nothing else.

What make me sad is there is no place good enough to post a merge between occult orgone and science orgone. Posting on a place where people talk more than doing or refuse other opinion will only result in much fight over an empty can.

I agree that the orgone/radionics/psionics enthusiasts can be awfully superstitious about the way they follow working principles/practices of “seniors”.

Yes, unmeasureability is a big problem.

I found that while people can measure it with human senses, via medium or with a tool, it can be very very subjective. People get different results. And when one rely only on single measurement method, they become blind to any other opinion. This cause many fight and fraction in orgone community or the science part of orgone.

[Dupe]

What occurs to me in context of this thread is that all one would need to do is run that battery current through a simple cam on a small hand or foot operated spinning wheel to get the square wave pulses and frequency which would effectively create a working form of ancient health zapper a la Clark.



- Godfrey

Yes already thought of doing this, and it simply makes sence. The resulting wave form would be ideal, the rotation speed thus depicts the frequency. Many years ago I remember reading about excavation teams investigating ancient civalizations had revealed what was thought to be the remains of primitive batteries or Lechlanch'e cells, only to be invented and patented in 1866 by: George Leclanché. Dupe

[Godfrey]

Yes already thought of doing this, and it simply makes sence.

Yes it does, Dupe – Erich von Däniken, you listening out there? Bet I’m not even the first on an energy forum to post that observation.

Many years ago I remember reading about excavation teams investigating ancient civalizations had revealed what was thought to be the remains of primitive batteries or Lechlanch'e cells, only to be invented and patented in 1866 by: George Leclanché.

I wonder if the ancient batteries displayed the same ability to partially recharge themselves as the Leclanché cells demonstrated when they were regularly used in early telephones.

What make me sad is there is no place good enough to post a merge between occult orgone and science orgone

Have you considered starting and moderating such a forum, Sucahyo? I’ve done so in the past for other subjects. You’re already a prolific and attentive poster – wouldn’t be much more work. In the meantime this thread, here, right now, seems like an appropriate place for such discussions as it relates to healing with Orgon and identifying, measuring and remedying DOR

Posting on a place where people talk more than doing or refuse other opinion will only result in much fight over an empty can.

Well put! And there’s no guarantee that an ideal forum would attract any more serious doers and scientific measurers to participate, if most forum participants truly fit into your two categories

I found that while people can measure it with human senses, via medium or with a tool, it can be very very subjective. People get different results. And when one rely only on single measurement method, they become blind to any other opinion. This cause many fight and fraction in orgone community or the science part of orgone.

I just came across this interesting device, the Virtual Cone Pendulum, which I think perfectly illustrates the practical problems and mindset we’ve been talking about. Are you familiar with it?

Measurements - The Virtual Cone Pendulum

Quoting the site: “This very accurate and simple scientific pendulum was designed and calibrated by the French researchers A. Chaumery and De Belizal in 1954 to be used for detection and measurements in what they called 'Microvibrational Physics'.”

Mind you, I’m not presuming to debunk a device I’ve never even tried - and I probably never will shell out the $110 to buy it. I even subscribe to some of the occult theory it’s based on. But reading further on about how it’s actually used causes me to conclude they are at least abusing the words ‘accurate’, ‘scientific’ and ‘calibrated’. Further down the page, they call it a ‘resonant device’. It’s merely a plastic dowsing pendulum, dependant on the operator focusing attention on the intended object to be measured. Any doubt I had that it isn’t an objective measuring instrument went away when I read further down “Developing your skill” and “If your VC does not seem to work Then you will need to start with the basics of dowsing.”

I haven’t read all about it in depth yet and they provide additional information on the principles of its operation here:

Orgon Australia - VCP Concepts and Theory

I can observe, however from my scan of it all that Chaumery and De Belizal didn’t invent the theory that frequencies can be ordered into a circle of 12 harmonic patterns, which repeat themselves in ascending octaves as frequency increases. The practical revelation is that any frequency corresponds to and can be characterized by an certain hue of color and tone of musical note. Here’s a little book published in 1924 that I rescued from obscurity about 10 years ago. A friend acquired it from an antiquarian book dealer and I scanned it and OCR’d it into a .pdf with Adobe Acrobat. I'm happy it’s been proliferating itself around the internet ever since then:

Edward Maryon - Marcotone the Science of Tone-Color (1924)

This system for developing perfect tonal singing pitch was used by occultist Dr. Paul Foster Case to train students in a system of sound and color healing, which he claimed originated from ancient wisdom teachings:

case, paul foster - bota - sound and color 1931

IMO there is something to his system, but in my experience, most of his students rely exclusively and superstitiously on Case’s approved list of correspondences between colors/tones and various parts of the body or specific illnesses, rather than doing their own experimental research.

Thomas Scarborough simply picked one of Crane’s ‘magic numbers’ as he said, as his chosen frequency for his wart zapper circuit. It works, so many people say, and he field tested his circuit for a year before publishing it, but he doesn’t seem to have tested any other frequencies.

- Godfrey

[Dupe]

healing

@ Godfrey... we are certainly covering some very interesting ground in this thread, with excellent contributions.

@ Sucahyo.... By what best method or technique is an oscilloscope used to measure the body(parasites etc) resonant frequencies?_ simply by holding the probes and setting a high gain position or by some how injecting signals and observing any resonant effects. If you should know I would be more than interested. Dr. Hulda Clark and Riffe refer to resonance frequencies of course, but I can't quite grasp how they can be easily monitored using a scope. I have a very nice PC digital scope, ideal for storing data so I can get scanning! ... again excellent contributions here. Dupe

[Dupe]

healing methods

@ Godfrey, You made reference to the following link:
case, paul foster - bota - sound and color 1931
For some reason I can't get a decent viewable page connection without problems, or even able to down load a copy! ... might you have this in some form that it can be emailed by chance if at all possible? would be most grateful. Dupe

[sucahyo]

Have you considered starting and moderating such a forum, Sucahyo?

That seems to be a good idea. I have to post my experiment result on this sooner or later, I decide where to post it when I am ready. Since the implementation is very wide it could take several thread.

I just came across this interesting device, the Virtual Cone Pendulum, which I think perfectly illustrates the practical problems and mindset we’ve been talking about. Are you familiar with it?

Measurements - The Virtual Cone Pendulum

Yes. I see it before.

If you decide to use pendulum notice that a pendulum that always rotate to one direction should not be used. If you want to learn it, try stoneless gold ring and put it on top each battery pole for a minute and see if you can notice different rotation. use both hand to reduce shaking. Pendulum can be used by anyone. I doubt lineage is important.

Since each people body condition vary, their zero is different. Same thing detected with same pendulum may give different indication to different people. I am a bit surprise last week when I let my 8 years old son to play with a pendulum and a thing I made. He get bad reading while I get good reading....


I don't care about pendulum calibration right now. Because from what many I read, a thing that certified to have good reading resulted in bad experience to some people.

If you want to use such a thing, you have to be the one who testing it. Pendulum is subjective device, so we have use it subjectively .


About 12, my small coil at stingo thread wound as hexagon . not from occult but from grebenikov.



There is book that associate frequency with smell too. I forget the link though. I can't download from scribd, I will try looking somewhere else.

You know Andrija Puharich? He is an occultist too since he use occult science theory:

At the moment it is believed that the ultimate particle is the quark. A proton, for example, is made up of three quarks. The quark, however, is made up of a fractal electric and magnetic charge. The three quarck in a proton are each made up of qualitites called "flavors" and each quark has 6 of such flavors. This multiplicity of "qualitites" has led some physicist to theorize that the quark is not a fundamental particle, but state that each quark is made up of three more fundamental particles, called either omegons, or preons.

Annie Besant and Charles W Leadbeater set out to explore the mysteries of the atoms through clairvoyance. Here is what they observed. They peered into a vial of hydrogen gas. They saw the hydrogen atom whirling around as an ovoid shimmering globule. Somehow they learned to stop the whirling atom, and "stop-framed" it, to observe an inner set of the strucures, labeled mcro psi atom (MPA). The arrangement of the two triagnles was not actually seen, but rather was the impression of the viewers of what they were looking at. The relationship of the two triangles was a puzzle to all, until Stephen Phillips, Ph.D, published his comentary on this 1895 work in "ESP of quarks" Theosopical Publishing, Wheaton, ILL in 1982. In this work he made a meticoluous analysis of the work of Besant and Leadbeater, and concluded that they had anticipated in minute detail both quark theory and string theory. The identified the three circles inside the bag model of proton, as being quarks. He identified the three particels inside the quark as the ultimate physical atoms (UPA) which he named OMEGONS, and named PREONS by others.

Phillips interpreted the two triangles as being hydrogen protons brought together by the act of observation. This accords well with the principles of uncertainty (during observation) of quantum mechanics.

With repeated and great effort they slowed down and held fixe for observation the UPA, the preon. We see the two forms (chiral) of the UPA which appear as wave-function. It would be well for the reader to read Phillips original paper, and its mathematical argument, and proof that Besant and Leadbeater were indeed observing the ultimate physical atom which he identifies with modern super-string theory. Phillips identifies the preons as being the long sought for (35 years) magnetic monopoles predicted to exist by PAM Dirac in 1932.

According to Phillips (and Besant and Leadbeater) the proton of hydrogen contains within each quark, 3 preons, or a total of 9 bound preons per proton, plus one free preon. It is possible to derive a very complex communication system betweens protons when each has a set of 10 preons. We assume that each preons has distinct quality (frequency, charge, spin, etc.). This would form a combination set of 10 comparable to a number set from 1 to 10.

I have used this set for many years as a simple test for extra sensory perception (ESP) where the test subject arranges the top row numbers manually to match the lower set. Both rows of numbers are randomized before each test. The total number of possible combinatorial matching sets is 10!, or 3,628,800. This provide nature with a huge switching and information storage system, based on magnetic monopoles comparable to a magnetic bubble system.

@ Sucahyo.... By what best method or technique is an oscilloscope used to measure the body(parasites etc) resonant frequencies?_ simply by holding the probes and setting a high gain position or by some how injecting signals and observing any resonant effects. If you should know I would be more than interested. Dr. Hulda Clark and Riffe refer to resonance frequencies of course, but I can't quite grasp how they can be easily monitored using a scope. I have a very nice PC digital scope, ideal for storing data so I can get scanning! ... again excellent contributions here. Dupe

Hulda clark seems to mention a direct skin contact. I will reread her book again.

However, I found that touching the PNP base of my stingo will make it change frequency to one spesific frequency. I have suspicion that my stingo picking up human body frequency.