Redox Signaling Molecules

[Davidandrewsmith2012]

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David

[ashtweth]

Hi All.

Does any body know how one can ask ASEA if any research has been done on the levels of redox molecules the body naturally produces before taking this dietary supplement and then measuring what they are after stopping ASEA?.
One thing i think should be checked, since we are not putting in what mother natures does normally, if we ever stop taking ASEA will our cells still produce the redox molecules in the same quantities as before we started? or is there a recovery period, if so then how long?.remember they said Asbestos is good for you too

I know Rolf (one of our volunteers) to quote said , i feel like crap after NOT taking it", you loose all the "benefits" but what WHY and what has been done to check the after math?

Ash

[Aaron]

Ash - what is your real agenda?

Ash,

How many times do you have to have the answer before you stop asking the SAME question from you or your proxy question askers?

Are you on some misinformation campaign to make people forget what I already told them?

Using ASEA will NOT have any negative effect on your own ability to produce redox signaling molecules.

[Aaron]

apoptosis

Hello, I am about to try ASEA, Is there evidence it has a direct effect on telomeres?

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I can only say that you can search google for redox signaling molecules and the regulation of apoptosis.

[Aaron]

ASEA athletics

Just waiting for my ASEA to arrive and test it. Are you a ASEA Athlete?

David
*In the face of adversity*it's the mind that must stay strong *-*Ambition -*Drive - *Determination - How Sport saved my life - HOME

Hi David,

I am not a serious athlete, which makes it easier for me to give a testimonial when I say the next day I have no soreness. I have not built up any serious endurance or recovery for any sport.

Yesterday, I was kayaking for the first time in my life on Coeur d'Alene lake and I did so for hours without stop because I was so addicted to it from the fun of it that I didn't want to head back - I worked my you know what off. This morning, I had zero soreness and couldn't even tell I did any of that the day before.

This is in addition to zero soreness from climbing up and down all the hills at the campsite I was at, all the hiking around the camp, etc...

The bottom line, I would not consider myself an athlete.

But if you look at the metabolic study, they clearly stated it is SAFE. And, they have seen results with this that they have never seen in their entire careers.

Anyone that persists to ask the same questions over and over even after they have been answered are here to spread disinformation because they are stuck in the dark.

[Aaron]

@Ash

since we are not putting in what mother natures does normally, if we ever stop taking ASEA will our cells still produce the redox molecules in the same quantities as before we started? or is there a recovery period, if so then how long?.remember they said Asbestos is good for you too

Ash,

Take your false information elsewhere. Asbestos analogy?

You are already spreading misinformation like a pharmaceutical plant.

This is EXACTLY what mother nature does naturally. That is why these molecules are considered to be NATIVE to the body and not natural as asbestos, mercury and other things are natural.

What does it take for you to use at least the slightest bit of honesty in your posts to realize that the question has been answered by me multiple times that this does not affect our own ability to produce redox signaling molecules, which you have claimed to be something that mother nature does not normally do.

If you post in this thread one more time, you are gone. I'm tired of your misinformation and disruption and planting seeds of doubt based on ignorance. You claimed to have seen all the research but you don't bother mentioning the toxicity studies that show this is the safest supplement ever tested - zero inflammatory response while simultaneously stimulating a boost in glutathione production!

[Aaron]

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[jaggedE]

Learn where ASEA came from and why it is now ASEA.

ASEA The Genesis - this is the FULL VERSION.

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Visit the homepage here: ASEA™. Help your body discover its own best defense.

[Aaron]

Asea = Positive Reinforcement

Because of the planting seeds of doubt by someone in this thread, I'm going to respond in more detail on the "crutch theory" in regards to ASEA. This has nothing to do with JaggedE, we're conversing just fine.

With ASEA, people are more active. Why? As the double blind study shows, there is a MASSIVE increase in freed up fatty acids in the blood. Besides massive oxygenation benefits from bio available fatty acids, the choice food for mitochondria IS fatty acids.

When this much freed up fatty acids is available, the mitochondria have an abundance of their choice food. This allows the mitochondria to become more active more of the time. When this happens, there is of course an increase in ATP production AND a corresponding increasing in OUR OWN BODIES PRODUCTION OF REDOX SIGNALING MOLECULES.

This is the opposite of what certain individuals would have you believe by planting seeds of doubt even after they claimed to have read all the research or even have an understanding of basic biology.

Mitochondrial counts can be increased by some supplements such as nettles, pqq and others. But it is EXERCISE that can increase the mitochondrial counts the most!

As we become more active, not only are our own mitochondria becoming more active producing more ATP and redox signaling molecules, we actually start producing MORE MITOCHONDRIA. That adds to the amount of ATP production as well as the production of MORE redox signaling molecules. So when we take ASEA, it cannot hamper our own ability to produce its own redox signaling molecules, it would INCREASE the amount. Not to levels possible with supplementation of it, but an increase.

There is no logical basis when looking at the facts to ever believe that the "crutch theory" applies to ASEA, which would state that our own production of the molecules would be reduced by taking ASEA. There are POSITIVE SELF-REINFORCING aspects to taking ASEA and the results speak for themselves.

Now, here is where someone could manipulate the facts...

Exercise alone can increase our own ATP and redox signaling molecules production in addition to increase mitochondrial counts, which will increase both even more. IF YOU STOP EXERCISING, the production of ATP and redox signaling molecules will reduce because not as much is needed and little by little, the mitochondrial counts will be reduced, which reduces the amount of ATP and redox signaling molecules production.

Does this mean that the crutch theory applies to exercise? It would of course be ridiculous to even imply that! Of course it doesn't. If there is less activity, there is SUPPOSED TO BE a decrease in ATP and redox signaling molecules because LESS IS NEEDED! It isn't going to be less than what was there before exercise, it will go down to whatever is needed to maintain the homeostasis of the body for its own activity levels based on available nutrients, genetics, etc... and of course, the cell to cell communicators that ARE the very foundation of cellular activity and cellular repair.

The same applies to ASEA and for anyone to infer that just because ASEA is natural and so is asbestos or any other natural toxic substance is simply a demonstration that these comments are the result of not having a real foundation or education in basic biology or nutritional sciences.

The bottom line - does ASEA inhibit our ability to make its own redox signaling molecules? The answer is NO WAY - it does the opposite as evidenced by the ability to be more active for longer times, which is direct evidence of more mitochondrial activity which in turn produces more of our own ATP and redox signaling molecules. So the OPPOSITE is the case in regards to any claims or inferences that ASEA becomes a crutch.

Always remember - POSITIVE FEEDBACK OR POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT is what ASEA lets happen in our body!

[tutanka]

I tried to test ASEA, I had no benefits on my body

I have tested ASEA on my body, I had not benefits and I have put weight on the test.

[Aaron]

please no junk science test

I have tested ASEA on my body, I had not benefits and I have put weight on the test.

You tested 8 bottles between 4 people (you and 3 friends) over 2 months.

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FACTS:

1. You only had 2 cases, which your purchased from me, which is enough for ONE person for 2 months. This was at the beginning of October 2011.

2. You claim your 3 friends tested it for 2 months - REALLY?

3. Including you, that is 4 people total and 4 people for 2 months needs 8 cases! That means between you and 3 friends, each person had enough for 2 weeks and to claim 2 whole months is NOT honest! That is only 25% of the amount they were supposed to take. You call this a test?

4. That is 2 bottles per person (you and 3 friends). 2 bottles stretched over 9 weeks (2 months). 1 bottle = 32 oz. 2 bottles = 64 oz. 64 ounces / 9 weeks = 7.11 ounces PER WEEK! That is 1 ounce per day and you claim "no results"?

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Furthermore, I made it very clear to you about 4 oz per day and you said OK - but then you do a "test" at 1 oz per day between you and 3 friends? You cannot claim you didn't know it was 4 oz per day PER PERSON.

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You also admitted to me it gave you more energy. Then you said later it didn't. Well, when you start taking only 1 ounce a day, which is 25% of the 4 ounces needed, what do you expect? And 1 ounce a day for your friends and they got "no results"???

That is NOT a test. That is NOT science. That is junk science or pseudo science.

You should study REAL SCIENCE before making these claims. You can start with REAL scientists, the #1 top sports medicine doctor at the #1 top sports science lab with multiple PhD's showing PROOF of what the product does to the blood:
ASEA Frontiers Metabolites - Redox Signaling Molecules - YouTube

If I had to choose between Alex's science (1 oz per day) or Dr. Nieman's double blind cross over placebo controlled science, I think I'll choose Dr. Nieman's science - along with validated results by some of the top endurance athletes in the world including James Lawrence who holds the world's record for the most triathlons because ASEA WORKS!

[tutanka]

You tested 8 bottles between 4 people (you and 3 friends) over 2 months.

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FACTS:

1. You only had 2 cases, which your purchased from me, which is enough for ONE person for 2 months. This was at the beginning of October 2011.

2. You claim your 3 friends tested it for 2 months - REALLY?

3. Including you, that is 4 people total and 4 people for 2 months needs 8 cases! That means between you and 3 friends, each person had enough for 2 weeks and to claim 2 whole months is NOT honest! That is only 25% of the amount they were supposed to take. You call this a test?

4. That is 2 bottles per person (you and 3 friends). 2 bottles stretched over 9 weeks (2 months). 1 bottle = 32 oz. 2 bottles = 64 oz. 64 ounces / 9 weeks = 7.11 ounces PER WEEK! That is 1 ounce per day and you claim "no results"?

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Furthermore, I made it very clear to you about 4 oz per day and you said OK - but then you do a "test" at 1 oz per day between you and 3 friends? You cannot claim you didn't know it was 4 oz per day PER PERSON.

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You also admitted to me it gave you more energy. Then you said later it didn't. Well, when you start taking only 1 ounce a day, which is 25% of the 4 ounces needed, what do you expect? And 1 ounce a day for your friends and they got "no results"???

That is NOT a test. That is NOT science. That is junk science or pseudo science.

You should study REAL SCIENCE before making these claims. You can start with REAL scientists, the #1 top sports medicine doctor at the #1 top sports science lab with multiple PhD's showing PROOF of what the product does to the blood:
ASEA Frontiers Metabolites - Redox Signaling Molecules - YouTube

If I had to choose between Alex's science (1 oz per day) or Dr. Nieman's double blind cross over placebo controlled science, I think I'll choose Dr. Nieman's science - along with validated results by some of the top endurance athletes in the world including James Lawrence who holds the world's record for the most triathlons because ASEA WORKS!

ASEA for me is just an commercial product and probably don't work on all persons in the same mode.

[Aaron]

being realistic

ASEA for me is just an commercial product and probably don't work on all persons in the same mode.

It isn't "just" a commercial product. It was developed by medical company over 17 years and there is 17 years of science and research behind it. It was never intended to be made available directly to the public.

Other products like antioxidant juices, etc... those are all made specifically for commercial distribution directly to the public but ASEA is the total opposite.

The mode of operation is exact for every person but the person's responsiveness will be different. It works on most people most of the time incredibly well. There is nothing that works on everyone every time.

There are people who take it with food and claim it doesn't work. Some people drink soda like "Tab" and it has aspartame, which will cancel the benefits from this product, etc... we cannot control how people take it or what else they are doing in their life that will negate the benefits.

But in all cases, testing it needs to be at minimum 4 oz per day and not 1 oz.

[Edipy]

Asea

Asea has real and genuine effects... unfortunately for me, it has proven both positive and negative. It seems to exasperate my autoimmune issues, and while in the beginning it seemed to be doing some seriously amazing things with my hormonal issues, that has seemed to be back where it was also. I am not sure why it is causing some sort of reactivity for myself, or it could just be attributed to the general boosting on the immune system effect it carries. I'm not the usual case though, and anyone with a normal functioning immune system would prob. only receive benefit... I am still torn whether to continue with it or not myself.

[Aaron]

@Edipy

Hi Edipy,

I would consider ASEA to be more of an adaptogen because it can bring the immune system into balance.

I can't really comment on specifics but you may be able to find in google if anyone has a similar situation as yours and if they did anything different with how they are taking ASEA.

Some people have to start off slow like a teaspoon a day and slowly build up but that is really rare.

I highly recommend adding liquid ionic trace minerals such as Concentrace minerals by trace mineral research (if you're in North America) to your diet. I would take a serving about 10 minutes before or after taking ASEA.

Anyway, I hope everything improves for you.