Melatonin & Autoimmune diseases (question)

[DebbieQ]

Since melatonin is not recommended for auto immune diseases, has anyone checked into the safety of the stimulation of melatonin production within the sleep booster? Am I correct in assuming natural melatonin would be safe but synthesized would not??

Feedback from anyone who has explored this subject would be greatly appreciated. I'm contemplating PATHS for my husband and the sleep enhancing benefit is the primary attraction for him.

thanks in advance!
Debbie

[thedude]

Cannabis or even Theta meditation.

I do believe that there are safer and more natural ways to go. Although i realize i'm not specifically answering the question you asked, I do have this to offer. I understand if this is too unconventional to consider, and if so then please ignore this posting. However...

(The following is an article writen by Russel J. Reiter, Ph.D)
Is It Okay To Use Marijuana To Get To Sleep melatonin levels increase by 400 percent

Personally i use meditation and marijuana. :P Why beat around the bush, as they say! I'm not a heavy user by any means and i realize that it is not conventional. Humans are one of a limited number of species of animal that have the 2 different types of cannabinoid receptors in our brains to make use of them.

The second type of receptor deals directly within the immune system, specifically the spleen and has been found to be very useful as an anti-inflammatory and pain reliever.

As far as Melatonin production goes, it is pretty well accepted that cannabis excels at producing it.

If smoking it is problematic, you can vapourize it or spread it like butter on pastries.

Here is an article at wikipedia on the topic as well.

Alternatively, practising Theta brain wave meditation is known to activate the pineal gland and also be away to produce melatonin. This is what i have read so please don't quote me. However, using Theta frequency binaural meditation applications is in theory helpful in generating the most natural form of melatonin available. It really does work for me. I have an I-Touch App called "Accellerator" that allows you to dial in a transitional frequency to Theta that knocks me out nearly every time i use it.

Thats about all i know about that. I have fragmented 6 and 7th vertebrae and a lot of trouble sleeping when it becomes inflamed (severe frontal migraines) as well as amblyopia. This is my solution, albeit not necessarily a fool proof one.

Hope some of this is helpful. I know its a bit "Out there". :P

Love and Light!
TheDude

[Gary]

I am not sure of the answer to this DebbieQ, but there is a huge difference between what your own body produces and synthetic supplements and yes, I would say naturally produced melatonin in the body is much safer than anything created or gathered externally.

Another thing to consider would be that melatonin production decreases with age so depending on how old he is, there was probably more production in the past.

[DebbieQ]

Thanks for replies........think we'll try it out with PATHS.. You would think that lack of sleep would be harder on your immune system than naturally induced melatonin!

So far, at level 3 - the PATHS sleep is only having a small effect on me. I'm a little improved, but a long way from solid night's sleep. My husband is interested MAINLY because of the sleep enhancement. He's awake most nights by 3;00 a.m. http://www.energeticforum.com/images...s/surprise.gif

Debbie

[rhozzi]

Would you explain 1-touch app "accellerator" to get transitional frequency to the theta brainwave state? I do not understand the termanology (1-touch app "accellerator", though I know about theta brain waves to some extent.

[thedude]

Would you explain 1-touch app "accellerator" to get transitional frequency to the theta brainwave state? I do not understand the termanology (1-touch app "accellerator", though I know about theta brain waves to some extent.

Oh yes sorry that was vague. You know the apple I-touch or I-phone? There are a multitude of applications available for free or sale on I-tunes store that have binaural beats programs.

"Accellerator" was the most expensive one i could find ($9.99) that has a starting point frequency and a finishing point (target) frequency (alpha, beta, theta). They feature background ambient rain, ocean, forest and others as well as the ability to encode a message by recording it into the meditation. Very good app. By far the most used program on my I-touch that i use, aside from plain old music.

Sorry i should have been a bit clearer. I could see how that would be a little confusing.

[thedude]

Thanks for replies........think we'll try it out with PATHS.

Sorry if i was way off topic Debbie.
I realize this is a thread in the PATHS category. My info was in regard to your question about melatonin only and not meant to be a distraction from the PATHS method, which i am admittedly only beginning to learn about.

Wish you the best in finding a natural solution.

[Aaron]

anti-cancer melatonin

(The following is an article writen by Russel J. Reiter, Ph.D)
Is It Okay To Use Marijuana To Get To Sleep melatonin levels increase by 400 percent

Breast cancer and some other cancers
are linked to deficiencies in melatonin and appear to be higher in numbers
in women that work night shifts - so they aren't producing melatonin
when they are supposed to. And if they sleep in the day, most likely it
isn't as dark in their room as it should be for proper melatonin secretion.
So if cannabis boosts melatonin - seems to simply give more corroborated
evidence to cannabis' anti-cancer function. Thanks for that link - very interesting!

With the boosting melatonin properties of PATHS, of course in relative
modules, it appears that anti-cancer benefits are some of the
unclaimed benefits of the sleep modules. I don't recall off hand if there
is a version of the sleep module that does not boost melatonin but is
something that can be suggested to info @ paths-vx.com.

[thedude]

I needed to point out.

Thanks Aaron. Just thought i should point out that my interpretation of "Sleep booster" was that it was a pharmaceutical sleeping pill of sorts. My lack of understanding about paths and just jumping in on this thread inappropriately purely on the topic of melatonin, was well...inappropriate. :P

Sorry DebbieQ. I'm going to invest in some learning about PATHS and then i'll rejoin the topic.

[Kevin]

Since melatonin is not recommended for auto immune diseases, has anyone checked into the safety of the stimulation of melatonin production within the sleep booster? Am I correct in assuming natural melatonin would be safe but synthesized would not??

Feedback from anyone who has explored this subject would be greatly appreciated. I'm contemplating PATHS for my husband and the sleep enhancing benefit is the primary attraction for him.

thanks in advance!
Debbie

Hi Debbie,

That is one of those "Catch-22" situations. For healthy dis-ease free function of the body ones needs the proper amount of sleep. But when one sleeps well, the body is producing melatonin (with or without PATHS) and, of course, sleep is when the immune system is in full swing.

Getting the auto-immune dis-ease taken care of should be a top priority...otherwise it will have a cascading effect.


I am sure PATHS will adjust the sleep module to have no instructions regarding the production of melatonin.

Just write into them, they are very helpful. (info@paths-vx.com)