Physicists lost reality in Mathematics

[socratus]

Five things physicists hate about physics
12 July 2017
By Richard Webb
https://www.newscientist.com/article...about-physics/
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[Gambeir]

Science is built up of facts, as a house is with stones.
But a collection of facts is no more a science than
a heap of stones is a house.
/ Henri Poincare /

Why some scientists say physics has gone off the rails
Has the love of "elegant" equations overtaken the desire to describe the real world?
by Dan Falk / Jun.02.2018 / 5:13 PM ET
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"People can believe in the multiverse all they want — but it's not science."
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"Theoretical physicists used to explain what was observed.
Now they try to explain why they can't explain what was not observed.
And they're not even good at that."
* /* Sabine Hossenfelder, /
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...ils-ncna879346
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I don't know why I'm commenting here socratus except that I know you're an intelligent person. The way I see the problem scoratus is science is first a tool and not a science as imagined: A detective, a lawyer, a judge, or even a lowly policeman are all people whom undoubtedly have a much finer grasp of the scientific method than 99.9% of all self proclaimed scientists.

Scientists aren't trained in investigative science and applied law and so they cannot claim to know what science is. The difference in understanding between the two is the difference between hanging innocent people and or discovering the truth. We have hundreds of years refining the method under the judicial system; when correctly applied it has a far greater chance of finding the truth than any other method known.

It is no wonder that the biggest quacks are also the biggest icons in today's criminally operated education systems. Being a mathematician does not make one a scientist any more than it makes them qualified to be the lead investigator in a criminal case. The idiocy of science today is the failure to grasp the true nature of the forces behind their own work. The first thing to recognize is that education is big business, it's an economy in it's own right, and so now what do you do when the basis of that business is to keep it going or else face exposure, and which would collapse the whole? It is naive to think that many varied ideas which encompass so-called science are merely the consequence of creative minds. Remember this is first a business and not a science, and so the science of business is how to make it look like it is science.

See, the issues run deep and are far outside the bounds of science. The system cannot now put in place a requirement for police science or Pre~law as a prerequisite for a masters in science. That would introduce a requirement for critical reasoning skills as prerequisite area of study before even beginning a study of any other field of science. The system is now too dependent on an already existing field of science under Einstein; which is almost certain to have fundamental errors that would require an entire revamping, and so now we are back to $$$ once more for all sorts of reasons, and of course not forgetting the fact there are no " certified rubber stamped" professors of the new science to hire as replacements anyways, so that means the complete destruction of revenue doesn't it?

This is a problem, a very big problem, and so the solution is to continue paving over the increasingly glaring error's in the hopes that by the time revolution arrives the organized collapse of civilization and knowledge will make the issue moot.

Civilizations rise and fall according to the desires of those whom control the monetary systems, and the reason they fall is that all nations are created for their eventual final use in an endless game of rulership passed from generation to generation. There is good reason to believe that you are right now living in a time where another collapse of civilization may take place. Western Civilization seems right now to be heading for another repeat of the same kind which destroyed the Roman Empire and for the same reasons.
https://michael-hudson.com/2018/08/a...m-their-debts/

[Gambeir]

Five things physicists hate about physics
12 July 2017
By Richard Webb
https://www.newscientist.com/article...about-physics/
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I'm not sure I understand where you stand but to me this is pure propaganda of the worst kind and then there's this fine grammar;
" you’ve done all the hard maths."

Maths huh? Not mathematics: I mean good God seriously? But wait, there's more....unfortunately....

"Einstein’s general relativity is a case in point. It’s the best theory of gravity we have."

I think rather that it's the only theory of gravity Richard Webb is allowed to write about in the New Scientist because it certainly is neither the only or even best theory available.
Good Lord and this is what passes for a science publication? Just check out their psycho mind control mag-rag cover. Notice the subheading on "Spider Milk."
Where is my illuminati birds nest head piece and antlers when I need them?
https://images.newscientist.com/wp-c...8-800x1052.jpg

[socratus]

I don't know why I'm commenting here socratus except that I know you're an intelligent person. The way I see the problem scoratus is science is first a tool and not a science as imagined: A detective, a lawyer, a judge, or even a lowly policeman are all people whom undoubtedly have a much finer grasp of the scientific method than 99.9% of all self proclaimed scientists.

Scientists aren't trained in investigative science and applied law and so they cannot claim to know what science is. The difference in understanding between the two is the difference between hanging innocent people and or discovering the truth. We have hundreds of years refining the method under the judicial system; when correctly applied it has a far greater chance of finding the truth than any other method known.

It is no wonder that the biggest quacks are also the biggest icons in today's criminally operated education systems. Being a mathematician does not make one a scientist any more than it makes them qualified to be the lead investigator in a criminal case. The idiocy of science today is the failure to grasp the true nature of the forces behind their own work. The first thing to recognize is that education is big business, it's an economy in it's own right, and so now what do you do when the basis of that business is to keep it going or else face exposure, and which would collapse the whole? It is naive to think that many varied ideas which encompass so-called science are merely the consequence of creative minds. Remember this is first a business and not a science, and so the science of business is how to make it look like it is science.

See, the issues run deep and are far outside the bounds of science. The system cannot now put in place a requirement for police science or Pre~law as a prerequisite for a masters in science. That would introduce a requirement for critical reasoning skills as prerequisite area of study before even beginning a study of any other field of science. The system is now too dependent on an already existing field of science under Einstein; which is almost certain to have fundamental errors that would require an entire revamping, and so now we are back to $$$ once more for all sorts of reasons, and of course not forgetting the fact there are no " certified rubber stamped" professors of the new science to hire as replacements anyways, so that means the complete destruction of revenue doesn't it?

This is a problem, a very big problem, and so the solution is to continue paving over the increasingly glaring error's in the hopes that by the time revolution arrives the organized collapse of civilization and knowledge will make the issue moot.

Civilizations rise and fall according to the desires of those whom control the monetary systems, and the reason they fall is that all nations are created for their eventual final use in an endless game of rulership passed from generation to generation. There is good reason to believe that you are right now living in a time where another collapse of civilization may take place. Western Civilization seems right now to be heading for another repeat of the same kind which destroyed the Roman Empire and for the same reasons.
https://michael-hudson.com/2018/08/a...m-their-debts/

A detective, a lawyer, a judge, or even a lowly policeman are all people
whom undoubtedly have a much finer grasp of the scientific method than
99.9% of all self proclaimed scientists.

'' A detective, a lawyer, a judge, or even a lowly policeman are all people''
wouldn't take an abstract scientific method to solve a concrete incident,
but modern scientists have another opinion.

Scientists aren't trained in investigative science and applied law and so
they cannot claim to know what science is.
The difference in understanding between the two is the difference between
hanging innocent people and or discovering the truth.

Yeah, most scientists aren't following the way of judicial system.

We have hundreds of years refining the method under the judicial system;
when correctly applied it has a far greater chance of finding the truth than
any other method known.

The judicial system is much older than a modern scientific system . . .
The judicial system doesn't use abstract ideas, scientific system allow that.

The idiocy of science today is the failure to grasp the true nature of the forces
behind their own work.*

Physicists can manipulation with light and electron and know how a quantum
process is going but they don't know what a light (as a force) or an electron
(as a force)* is and therefore they can solve concrete, practical problem,
but the whole picture of incident is hidden, the truth is hidden.
That is reason that Feynman said:
" I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics."
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“[Quantum mechanics] describes nature as absurd from the point of view
of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment.
So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd.”
/* Feynman /

It is naive to think that many varied ideas which encompass so-called science are
merely the consequence of creative minds. Remember this is first a business and
not a science, and so the science of business is how to make it look like it is science.

Yeah, science is not motivated solely by the search for truth.

The system is now too dependent on an already existing field of science under Einstein;
which is almost certain to have fundamental errors that would require an entire revamping,
and so now we are back to $$$ once more for all sorts of reasons, and of course
not forgetting the fact there are no " certified rubber stamped" professors of the new science
to hire as replacements anyways, so that means the complete destruction of revenue doesn't it?

Do you know a judge who can reconsider Einstein's SRT and GRT ?

This is a problem, a very big problem, and so the solution is to continue paving over
the increasingly glaring error's in the hopes that by the time revolution arrives
the organized collapse of civilization and knowledge will make the issue moot.

In my opinion Einstein's SRT and GRT are correct but philosophical
interpretations are wrong. One abstract opinion created a new abstractions.
For example: Minkowski's an abstract* 4-D opened the door for abstract
5-D, 11-D, 27 -D . . . .** and multiverse . . . big-bang . . . black holes . . .

Civilizations rise and fall according to the desires of those whom control
the monetary systems, and the reason they fall is that all nations are created
for their eventual final use in an endless game of ruler ship passed from
generation to generation.

Those who control the monetary, economic, political, scientific,
religion systems don't like changes.

There is good reason to believe that you are right now living in a time
where another collapse of civilization may take place.
Western Civilization seems right now to be heading for another repeat
of the same kind which destroyed the Roman Empire and for the same reasons.

I share your view on today's political situation.
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[socratus]

Why some scientists say physics has gone off the rails
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"All of the theoretical work that's been done since the 1970s
has not produced a single successful prediction," says Neil Turok,
director of the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Canada.
"That's a very shocking state of affairs."
This doesn't mean physicists aren't busy; the journals are publishing
more research than ever. But Turok says all that research
isn't doing much to advance our understanding of the universe —
at least not the way physicists did in the last century.
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1 - Lots of activity, little progress
2 - Seduced by math?
3 - In search of simplicity
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/ June 2, 2018, By Dan Falk /
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...ils-ncna879346
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