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**Pamela Vicik-Smith** · 03-30-2008, 06:19 AM

Hi Blake ~

This sounds fascinating. I have not heard of this before. I will check out the link you provided. Thanks so much for posting

**Pamela Vicik-Smith** · 03-30-2008, 06:34 AM

Hmmm...I was just on the site and read some of the "reverse speech" translations. Much of it was rather cryptic. However, she lost me when she said that "you create your own reality is BS."

Calling Esther Hicks a charleton did not endear me either.

**future pather** · 03-30-2008, 02:26 PM

I've watched some of this woman on youtube a while back.

I'm not saying she isn't onto something in her own understanding and reality.

I'm just saying she does not resonate with me.

The reasons are that she is very negative in what I have seen and that she blinks like a mad woman all through what I have seen of her (just seems weird).

YouTube - UFO Hypotheses - Peggy Kane Volume Two (05 of 24)

Also I don't really like the idea of someone else being able to explain reality to me in a way that I must just take because they said so, not because I understand it myself.

Now maybe there is total legitimacy to reverse speech. All I know is I'm not taking Peggy's word for things as truth.

XO Jessica

**rhozzi** · 03-30-2008, 03:53 PM

muscle testing for truth???

In regards to the truth of the subconscious language being in reverse....how about those that are proficient at muscle testing to test the truth of this thread of how the subconscious works. I tried the muscle testing but I'm new to it and I don't always trust the answers because I've tried other types of comunicating with my subconscious (dowsing, pendelums, angel cards, etc.) and have not had consistant truthful answers that I would guide my life with. I'm still practicing the muscle testing but there seems to be different ways that work better for some people than others. Right now I'm using the whole body but I think the wording of the questions is important and that takes practice. If the reverse speech is true, it will be fun to develope that concept. Or even have someone two-point for confirmation.

**Blake** · 03-30-2008, 04:06 PM

Hmmmm

I had not seen that seiries on youtube.I only just watched the first one and a half. I think I need to research more before I post. She dose seem upset and maybe what resonated with me was stuff from my past- child abuse, that I havent cleared. I guess i am feeling that even if what she is saying is true what good dose it do me to know it ...and feed energy to that reality. I rather wish I could retract the post now. I did not come across her saying or the reverses on creating your own reality being bunk. The videos seem very fear based or a big potential to stir up fear as it paints such a powerlessness ...expecially with out stating what we can/are doing. I think one of my big connections is a feeling of frustration about the rampant sexual and child abuse in our culture 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 7 boys by 16...those are just who have admitted and are aware of it....and all the other stuff. Just by focusing on the positive and clearing my past am I really making a difference? I want to believe it and put the rest thats out of my control in the hands of God. But I guess I am still attached to the battle. I guess also, that i really dont believe I am God. If that is true I want to know ...not just believe...but that means the end or cancelling out almost all my other beliefs...thats hard. I guess I dont want it deep enough yet to let go.

I think thats where I get lost with this LOA- that we do create our own reality. My talk is still more than my walk cuz I think a part of me dosent truely see and believe that the "Busting Loose"- Ho'oponopono perspective is true. That I have created all of this reality...its all an illusion...I feel like Im bouncing back and forth from wanting it to be true and seing the possibilities and empowerment (and being affraid of that?) and then thinking its just me trying to wish away the pain of being abused as a kid. Please help me understand better how the horrors of abuse and war fit into the LOA.... am I just feeding it by posting something like this on such a positive forum? I dont go see movies with such grafic violence she speaks of if I can help it for that reason.

Can other people tell me their real time stories of using this LOA/B.L./Ho'opono to break free of and make a difference with the really bad stuff. Maybe its all ready in here in posts... I have read alot....maybe its not sinking in as deep as I need. Maybe I just keep distracting myself from my own growth by focusing on the outside injustices...? Please Forgive me for putting up that link if it has disturbed you.

Blake

**Pamela Vicik-Smith** · 03-30-2008, 04:28 PM

Blake, I am happy you put up that post. I love reading about new things I had no previous knowledge of.

She had a ton of stuff on her site and it would have taken me about a week to read it all. As it turned out, the one thing I clicked on contained her remark about creating reality is BS. As soon as I read that, followed by the comment about Esther Hicks, I knew I did not have to read further. As Jessica said, it just did not resonate with me in the least.

However, that is only my personal opinion. I am sure many other will find lots of value in her material

Never apologize for sharing new ideas on this forum. We are all here to learn and grow together. I am sure I speak for most, if not all, when I say we each enjoy the opportunity to see something new and then make our own individual judgements as to whether it is something we agree with or not.

Though I happen to be a big-time Abraham fan, I know there are people here who are not and do not believe in channeling. It is all good

As far as the other portion of your last post about abuse and how that fits in with LOA, there are no quick and easy answers. In talking with others, you may find that child abuse, whether sexual, physical, emotional, or other, has been a lot more common than one may think. In fact, from speaking with many of my friends, all of whom came from different backgrounds, probably at least half have experienced abuse as a child in some form.

That said, what determines the ultimate outcome, is how one views their abuse and abuser now. Speaking from experience, it is not easy to forgive. But is it absolutely critical that you do. Until you forgive your abuser, you will find it exceedingly difficult to move forward with your life and claim the wonderful things that are yours.

I hope this helps in some small way. And please keep posting and sharing new concepts and ideas. We all grow when you do

**rhozzi** · 03-30-2008, 05:32 PM

overcoming the past....

I have a similar past of childhood abuse (it started around 3 years old) and formed a lifetime pattern of low self esteem and inability to fully trust that life could be safe. It has taken years to find somewhat consistant happiness and a measure of peace. Lots of self help books, friends and on going prayer has brought me to where I am now...a very good place. I have to say that since starting Paths I've had great leaps in self-esteem and peace (plus some of my hair and natural hair coloring coming back has been a booste). I will share an experience I had a couple of weeks ago, when I was half way through reading The New Earth. I had seen Celine Dion on the Oprah show before but this repeat show triggered a revelation in me. As I watched the part of her dad dying and saw that she had a loving relationship with her dad I began to cry and I thought..."I have never known that and I will never know that for myself and it was ok." But then comes the strange part..in a moment of time it was as if my higher self was standing beside my physical self and said, "That pain and all of my life here in this realm is not who I really am." I am a spiritual being having a human experience and when I leave this physical realm (my body), all the experience will pass away. It gives a peaceful knowledge of all that we experience here is so very temporary and it's all in how we view it as to whether we go on and have a wonderful life or keep repeating the same experiences in one form or another. I realize now that our abusers were unconscious (or unaware) of the affect their actions had on us but then, so are we with our actions of unkindness in one form or another. Here's a grandmotherly hug to you all

**Kevin** · 03-30-2008, 07:15 PM

I met and spoke with David Oates for a couple of hours back about 9 or 10 years ago.

The idea of reverse speech, and some of the examples I heard, were very seductive to me. I even ordered one of the special tape recorders.

(It ended up being damaged in shipping, and I then decided to not pursue it any further)

At the time I did not know about TRV, and I believe the reason that it so appealed to me is that it promises a form of knowledge that could be valuable.

Probably one of the reasons I did not pursue this any further was that David, and the others I spoke to, were all very negative and surrounded by uncomfortable energy. It is hard to explain, but they did not seem to be bent on using the "technology" for positive purposes. It all seemed to be about exposing nasty little secrets.

Anyway, it sort of dropped off my radar.

Blake, I am VERY happy you brought this up. I believe I will cue this up for a TRV session and have a bunch of people do the work blind to find out the following:

Is it a valid technology?
Can it be used for good?

Below are a few links about Reverse Speech. (btw, David looks like he has aged 25 years in the last 10 years, looks like he could benefit from the Young again Module

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Reverse Speech - Homepage

Reverse Speech - Voices From The Unconscious

Reverse speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

**Blake** · 03-31-2008, 07:03 PM

Hmmmmm II

That would be really interesting to find out what you discover Kevin! If there is something to it, I have had all these thoughts of getting reversals from parts of books -read out loud (I thought the Bible might be interesting or Conversations with God)...it'd be interesting reversing my/your self about ???all sorts of sruff. It dose seem a bit cryptic and open to personal interpretation with the tiny word bites forward in the backward. I would want to know if the rewards (messages being clear and valuable) matched time expenditure needed...The muscle testing , TRV or other truth detecting ways seem like proven methods here for many with some effort. I used to think TRV ing would take more disciplin and focus than I probably could muster. Who kknows now? The rewards from that seem a bit greater than a getting a few words out of hundreds. Depending on what those words were, often times the most profound truths are quite simple...Listening to lots of stuff backward seems exhausting though...and just kinda backward. (metaphorically speaking)

And Thanks Pamela Jessica and Rhozzi!!

Blake

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