Where will you be October 14?

[elias]

Dear Pamela,

I appreciate your being so much. I didn't know that love is real energy until I started using it and realized that every bit of the universe is what we "feel" as love. I am realizing now what I felt when I was a child. Sometimes we get into fear and doubt to an extent that we start to forget what love feels like.

This forum is so great and I love to be here!

Elias

[elias]

Hi Al,

Thanks for the info! I personally had read about this in an Oxford Univ Quantum Computing article and in some books about spirituality, I think that Aaron might have a good insight into this. Science has only scratched the surface of "reality" and many wonders and amazements are waiting to be discovered. So it is exciting isn't it!

Gratitude
Elias

[Pamela Vicik-Smith]

Christian ~

I love your emblem Very, very, cool!!!

[Aaron]

jellyfish ship

Christian,

Reminds me of the "biological ufo" things that are visible in our atmosphere by using infrared film. Here is one youtube vid on it
YouTube - Trevor James Constable - Invisible UFOs

[Aaron]

RODS | Skyfish

This is the best rods vid I have ever seen.
From Channel 13 KCOP - you can even clearly see
News Story on Rods - Roswell Rods - Video - Jose Escamilla Roswell Rods

download the video here - better copy:
http://www.esmhome.org/library/rods/rods13.wmv
at 2:40 on this video, you can see it in water.
This basically shoots down the debunkers who want to believe
these are bugs streaking on film - that is obviously not a bug
swimming in water and at that slow of speed, it is not a blur.

This is some video of the jumpers I haven't seen before
MonsterQuest Video Gallery

First water vid I've seen:
YouTube - Rods Underwater Footage

http://www.energeticforum.com/psychi.../456-rods.html

Anyway, this is an interesting topic.

[Glenn]

Just a minor point...

Did you receive another message from Orion?

Hi Christine, No I actually haven't tried contacting him since my last message. I felt that everything had been more or less said for the time being & was just content to see how everything pans out over this time period.

I also have over the past couple of days had to start catching up on a backlog of work which I have let slide for the past 3weeks due to all the time I have been putting in researching & posting information on a couple of forums & my blog surrounding this event. Unfortunately, I have a deadline for the 28th Oct for our business tax to be submitted so I have to get involved in the boring mundane things at the moment as I am now way behind.

Personally, I still feel & believe that something is going to happen & that we will eventually see a major siting whether it is going to be now the 15th, next week, next month or later I don't know but I do believe it will happen.

I know some people from the wider community are already feeling disillusioned, disappointed & angry that nothing has occurred yet & are ready to begin throwing "bricks" at the people that have brought the messages out. Some of the comments that I have seen aimed at Blossom & Brad from 10-14-08 have been truly awful even though I understand why they are making them.

In my own case here I can only say that I am not asking anybody to believe my truth or what I have written. I certainly didn't take this step lightly to reveal myself on this forum in this manner but in doing so I realised I may open myself up to widely differing opinions. People will believe what they want & I accept that. Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

I am very greatful for the support that I have received from people who expressed it here prior to the lead up to this time.

Love, Light & Blessings
Sharyn

Is it possible that just because the majority of the Earth's populace, or even any that came out publicly with the info, did not actually see the event - that the event happened anyway? Who is to say in what form these beings came to us (or have been coming to us)? Perhaps they resonate on a different frequency we are not able to see and are outside the human visable spectrum? There is more we don't know than that which we do. Maybe they did come and they just have to figure out a way to communicate in a non-etheral form. I dunno, just thinking about possibilities... Those who are disillusioned, disappointed, or angry, about such things are using their minds, emotions, and energies in the wrong places.

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Glenn;

I don't think this leaves much room for anything other than a real, visual event to be witnessed by many people worldwide.

As you might imagine, we have not come thus far to be thwarted by the continued actions of the dark forces. They have been allowed to play out their hand, and it was seen that they would implode of their own volition. It clearly has resulted in many hardships and continues to do so, but you have our assurance that in the immediate future all will be well. The cleansing of the Earth means removing the lower energies and their manifestations, and as you have already seen, it cannot occur overnight. Having said that we will instigate the changes in a series of projects that shall run along side each other. In that way it shall seem to you that progress is made very quickly. Dear Ones, we have planned for this particular period for a long time, and once we have established our presence, shall move on to the next announcement of open contact. Your governments clearly already know of our plan, and have been as interested in our intentions as any one else. Some are reluctant to accept us however there is no choice involved any longer, as you the people have “invited” us within your midst.



October the 14th will be a monumental day when at last you see irrefutable evidence of our presence. It will sweep away the deliberate policy of most governments to hide the facts of our existence. Not only that but also our contact with their officials offering to bring peace to Earth, which has repeatedly been rejected. Our help has been extended to you since you first split the atom, as it was seen that this would lead to the development of nuclear weapons with the power to destroy your Earth. We shall eventually prove to you beyond doubt, that on more than one occasion you were intending to bring about a nuclear war. We shall also show you proof that your actions could have destroyed your Earth. We wish you to be aware that we have acted as your guardians for many thousands of years, and you would not have been where you are now without our help, indeed you would not have reached this high point in evolution.

Al

[Sharyn]

What We Gained By Believing

Thanks for the link to that article, Pamela.I enjoyed reading about that.

Thankyou, also Aaron for posting the links to the rods etc. I had seen some videos before & find them very intriguing. Sure is a lot more going on in the sky than our 3D perception knows about.

Is it possible that just because the majority of the Earth's populace, or even any that came out publicly with the info, did not actually see the event - that the event happened anyway? Who is to say in what form these beings came to us (or have been coming to us)? Perhaps they resonate on a different frequency we are not able to see and are outside the human visable spectrum? There is more we don't know than that which we do. Maybe they did come and they just have to figure out a way to communicate in a non-etheral form. I dunno, just thinking about possibilities... Those who are disillusioned, disappointed, or angry, about such things are using their minds, emotions, and energies in the wrong places.

Actually I find your post very timely Glenn. I've read many comments over the past week where people have said they felt a shift in their vibration, felt more love & noticed permanent positive changes in themselves since October 14th. There have also been a large number of increased reportings of sightings of smaller craft during this time.

The following video was created & posted by Katwest11 on her on Youtube channel, which I found to be inspiring & it is beginning to be more & more representative of the many comments that I have seen and read on a number of forums over the past few evenings.



Excerpt- “The October 14th prediction was part of the complex Weave of our evolution and ascension. Rather than viewing it as a mistake, we can look, think, and feel “outside the box” for the gifts that have come our way by this experience, and join together to change ourselves and learn more about loving each other while we await the perfect timing for meeting our Galactic Family.


There are so many layers involved in their arrival. Perhaps we forget this event is not meant to be a savior or a sideshow, but is an important occasion historically, evolutionarily, and strategically for the future of us all. The way I see it, it’s not a fluffy, feel-good thing that was denied us by their whim, nor is it a case of the channelers making a mistake. We might understand more if we look at the layers and imagine what all must be coordinated and aligned for this event to take place in a positive way.
Wherever our understanding is limited by 3-D, we can transcend it by choosing a loving reaction towards ourselves and others… Let’s reach together for a new way of being!”

October 14th - What we gained by believing

WAS OCTOBER 14 JUST ANOTHER DAY? by Katwest11

"I wrote this in response to my little brother who was expressing some disappointment and dismay that no lightship appeared on the 14th of October as was predicted. He expressed concerns that the date was just hype and that if another date is predicted people will not get excited again. Here is my response, in case it helps any of the rest of us pondering the coming meeting with our Galactic Family.. . .


I don’t expect another date to be predicted. Putting forth an initial date like that was a tool — it prepared thousands upon thousands of people for the eventuality of a Lightship showing up in our skies at some point in our near future. The change in people, the shifts that occurred as people readied themselves for a date, and the energies that were poured into the grid by virtue of people getting excited about a specific date created a very important benefit to humanity and our preparedness for this coming event.
If they had simply said “we’re coming soon” it would have been no different than saying for centuries, “Jesus is coming!” or whatever. It would have been just another seemingly empty end times prophecy and folks would have gone on about their lives without really thinking about what such an event might mean to them personally. They might think, “Cool, perhaps that will happen sometime,” but there would have been no impetus to bring it into their personal context now and adjust their psyches.


I have been finding all kinds of channeled literature lately that was written over a decade ago and refers to ships or “conspicuous” intergalactic contact coming near the beginning of this century — have thousands of people listened, cared, or become excited due to those books? No, not many. Despite the efforts of those brave authors, the message has remained among a few in a certain genre, and can feel more like a “someday” thing. But this event on the internet, this posting of a date, woke a lot of people up, even if just partially. It facilitated a very live and powerful energy connection between people, brought about increased Lightworker networking, and amplified a sense of family among many. It brought up new questions and deeper answers as people explored and imagined. Many will, as you mentioned, slip back into their normal lives. But when the ships *do* show up, it will not be the shock it would have been, because people have now already done some of the inner processing work to find out that “yes, I am ready for such an event.”


Do you see? It would not be gentle to just show up without an announcement - the shock would be too great for too many. But if they had given such an announcement *without* a date to catch people’s attention and give them something to focus on, it could have slipped by without much ripple. It would not have accomplished what they need us to accomplish before they can show up.


Keep the faith — 2008 is a time of great change and the changes are going to keep coming. I know a lot of people put their reputations on the line to say a ship is coming on that particular date, but some reliable channels taught quite clearly that the date is not what is important and is not set in stone. So there is no face lost. Focus on the event and that it *does* need to happen in order for humanity to move forward. The veil *does* have to be lifted, and soon. We are in the end of a cycle — this is provable by many different methods and viewpoints: scientific, historical, and metaphysical and it is time to move forward into a dimension that requires intergalactic awareness and interaction. So nothing has been lost unless you were fixated on one certain date in time.


The effects of the vibrational raise over the past few months is residual and will remain in the grid. The raise in consciousness does not go away. So it was not hype. It was, as I described earlier, the rallying speech before the big event. So the big event has not happened yet — are you going to just fall back asleep and give up? If so, you were not ever ready for the event in the first place. The point is not for us to be rescued by a space ship — the point is to do your work and be ready for personal ascension, period. Earth is ascending regardless, and to be ready to see a ship or anything else, you must do your work. And because of Oct 14, you now have a greater awareness of this than you did. So it was not useless hype. "


Love, Light & Blessings
Sharyn

[Glenn]

Hi Antiquer,

After reading your reply, I pondered on this for a while and started to formulate some of things that Sharyn posted from KAT... about people essentially not being able to handle the sight of a mothership descending upon the Earth - what a commotion it would cause, because the majority of this planet's populace does not believe, or is not even aware of these events unfolding. Also, it seems to me that the 'skypeople' whether aliens from another time and place, or humans from our own future, have, as they say, been 'watching and taking care of us for thousnads and thousands of years.' but have only physicallly revealed themselves to a handful of ancient cultures and (at least to my knowledge) not to any modern ones.

Perhaps it is because as KAT's post indicates, we aren't quite ready for the shcok treatment and more subtle approaches are necessary to alleviate the fear and stress of meeting the Galactic Family (for those I mentioned above).

This is all pure conjecture on my part as I have only read what Sharyn has posted here (and I admit I haven't read everything...) - maybe just the Intuition Mod kicking in? I dunno...

Thanks Sharyn, this is very interesting!

[ANTIQUER]

Jesus?

Hi Sharyn;

Actually I think you are highly intelligent and capable of reasoning things out. As I said the people behind this hoax take advantage of peoples strong beliefs. You do not have to defend yourself to me or anyone. I was merely pointing out some clues that this was a hoax in the hope it would help keep you and others from future disappointment. Enough said about it.

As to this "channeling";

We of the Star Nations are ascended Beings and have long risen above the lower emotions, and we tell you so that you know it is achievable. We highlight the life of Jesus as an example for the reason that it shows you what can be achieved, and is one that most of you are familiar with. You know the words of the Master about loving others as yourself, and of forgiveness and all of those aspects of a soul living in Love and Light.

I don't understand why they would mention Jesus as an example when they seem to know so little about what he taught;

John 3:3-"Verily, verily, I say unto thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God".
John 3:15-18 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world,that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already--".
Gal. 1:7-8 "--but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
II Cor.5:13-15 "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers
of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

And also Hebrews 10:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this the judgment." No room for "Ascension" there.

Just a couple of examples of the teachings of Jesus that these "Ascended Beings" ignore or twist. Hmmm?

Al

[Pamela]

Love and Light...

Dear, Dear Al...

It is with deep respect, compassion and love for you as a Son of God that I write this message to you...

You have clearly indicated your beliefs and interpretation of the Holy Bible in many of your posts on this forum and you have a right to your believes and interpretations. However, whether you are conscious of it or not, your posts often come across with a sense of disrespect for the beliefs of others as well as a sense of self-rightousness and superiority, and, as we have been told before on the "Bible" thread last August, this is not what this forum is about. Here is that post by this forum's admin as a reminder to you:

"The Energetic Forum is a place to learn, share, discuss, get help, give help, explore, encourage, get encouraged, have fun, make friends, work out problems, and more.

We have been most fortunate, as a community, to be able to post about most any subject and have open and fun exploration.

Religion and Politics are two subjects that have extremely low flash points. Knowing that, please take extra care in your communication on these subjects to be full of love and light in your writing.

We believe that each of us is responsible to conduct ourselves, individually, and in relation to all humankind, in a manner that reflects only light.

Several of us have read through the Fascist America thread and this one and were surprised, and a little uncomfortable, with the passive aggressive comments being made by multiple parties. Then it flashed from passive aggressive to aggressive.

We take full responsibility for not stepping in with a reminder sooner.

EVERYONE is welcomed and encouraged to continue posting their thoughts, feelings and beliefs in these two threads, if they desire to.

Just remember, that in discussing these two subjects (politics and religion), to be extra careful to give your fellow human beings every benefit of respecting their point of view (no matter how foreign it may be to you) in all your communication.

Love and Light,

EF ADMIN"

While most of us HAVE explored the teachings of the Bible, many of us have also been inspired by it to explore further teachings to answer our many questions that were provoked by those precious Biblical teachings and arrive at our spiritual beliefs. I am sure you will agree that this is our right also. I do not believe that you have an understanding of what many of us have studied and this makes it difficult for you to stop yourself from quoting scripture and believing and hoping that you can change our way of thinking by doing so.

Dear Al, you can argue your beliefs and quote Bible verses until the cows come home, but I want to lovingly tell you that you are barking at the moon if you think that you can change our beliefs, just as we would be barking at the moon if we tried to change yours.

Your posts indicate that you believe that we are all joyously dancing in Satan's workshop with our beliefs and that we are all going to go to that "hell" that is described in your King James version of the Bible unless you do your job as a "true Christian" and intervene with your interpretation of the "Truth" and convert us to your religion. It seems that you think we know nothing about about the true teachings of Jesus and that we "twist" them...I see that as your and your religion's judgement of our beliefs... Please understand that we KNOW what you believe and deeply respect your right to those beliefs, but we would be so grateful if you would respect our right to our beliefs and our interpretation of the teachings of Jesus. Perhaps if you spent some time looking into some of the spiritual literature that many of us have studied, you would have a clearer understanding of EXACTLY what it is we DO believe and, even though these teachings would probably not resonate with you, there is the possibility that you just might respect us and our beliefs a wee bit more than your posts indicate and that would be so deeply appreciated by so many of us here at this wonderful forum.

I am sending you much Love and Light, my Dear Brother, and may the gentle and Loving Light of God Bless you and Shine on you Always...In All Ways.

With Much Love and Gratitude,

Pamela

[Christine G.]

Pamela

Well put!!

[Glenn]

Well put!!

Ditto!

[ANTIQUER]

Dear Pamela;

First, a little explanation.

This thread is about an event promised by ascended beings that did not happen.There has been much conjecture by many people and one message from SALuSa as to why not, indicating a lot of others are questioning the motives and the people behind it.
As I said previously I believe this was a hoax from the start and gave a few reasons for that opinion, but not nearly all my reasons.
That said this thread is not about religion and I do not nor ever intended to take it down that road. I think the failure of these starships to appear as promised casts serious doubt on the channelings and the veracity of those who sent them.Therefore every thing they say is subject to close scrutiny.
They brought Jesus in as an example, not me.I am
showing by example why no one should take what they say at face value. They did not mention the major thrust of his ministry, as shown by the few verses I posted, which is strange if he is their example. I posted them in their entirety so people who were interested did not have to go look them up. I did not expound on them, simply posted them as an example. I was not trying to convert anyone, especially you or Sharyn or several others that post here regularly who I know are steadfast in their beliefs. Just because I don't agree with them or you does not mean I don't respect them or you or anyone's right to believe as they wish.
As I told Ingram there is much room for misunderstanding in this type of communication. Here is an example showing how easily that can happen;

The cleansing of the Earth means removing the lower energies and their manifestations, and as you have already seen, it cannot occur overnight.

I know people who would take that to mean genocide was coming on some level when these ships arrived.

I may be entirely wrong and there are ascended beings out there. If they appear next week or down the road I'll gladly admit to being wrong as that would be irrefutable proof. I'll assume they are there for discussion purposes. Could not the ones involved in these event channelings be imposters from the dark side that has been mentioned? If these were really ascended beings that are as smart as they claim and with all the love and compassion they claim to have would they have perpetrated this cruel hoax on their followers and thrown so many into such distress? They would have known that would happen and not been surprised by their reactions. There are better ways to teach lessons and true love is unconditional and requires no test to validate it.Just another of many possible scenarios to explain what went on here, all of which lead to the conclusion this was a hoax, purpose currently unknown.

I am speaking only of the ones involved in this particular event as I know most people on this thread believe in ascended beings, etc. and I am not intending to disparage them or their beliefs. I hope this is the last time I have to say that, but I have no control over how people perceive what I say. I have tried to be clear, but people are more sensitive right now due to the failure of this event. I'm sure there were reactions running the gamut from laughter to "oh,well, it's that religious nut again" to the agitation you have expressed, but if you examine my posts in this thread from the aspect I have explained you will find them consistent with this explanation.

Well, this is getting long and my head is spinning from the day I've had, so goodnight.

Al

[Jure]

Hm, there is no dark side, there are no sides. Things just are, not good or bad. We are all one. The true guidance is LOVE. We dont have to choose as we are all ONE. Thank yourself for creating wonderful experience on Earth. You are learning and growing as a soul. I love you all as you are me and I m you. ---> Sorry but I really had to write this in this thread...