Technical Remote Viewing Vs. Remote Viewing

[Kevin]

The following is NOT a scientific study-

However, it is typical of what I have experienced many times over the last 10 years or so.


There is quite a bit of confusion about the differences between Technical Remote Viewing and Remote Viewing.


Technical Remote Viewing is a highly structured and standardized technique that allows you to consistently obtain accurate information, on demand, using a rigorously applied set of protocols.


Remote Viewing is a term used by people that employ hundreds of different "methods" for "seeing" information.


Without naming any names, let me tell you of an experience I had a couple of weeks ago.

Myself and my colleagues were asked to Technical Remote View (TRV) a specific situation.

4 professional TRV'ers worked this target blind. By blind, I mean they had NO idea what they were TRVing. All they had was an 8 digit Target Reference Number.


In the meantime, about a month ago, we ( WeFindOut ) had received a letter from a "professional remote viewer". We do not know where/how they were trained, they just referred themselves as such. In the letter they were requesting information regarding employment opportunities with wefindout.com.

We told them that we only employed persons that were trained and highly skilled in the reliable method of Technical Remote Viewing.

They assured us that they were very good at remote viewing and could we give them a chance.

So we gave them the Target Reference Number to remote view...the same one that was given to the TRV'ers.


The target that we were TRVing was a female (US citizen, residing in the USA) with some health problems, specifically what would help her get better and what caused the problems.

ALL four of the TRV'ers submitted data (all they had was an 8 digit Target Reference Number and their TRV skill) regarding a sick female, giving details of the sickness, what treatments would be beneficial, AND what the root cause of the ailment was.


The "professional remote viewer" also submitted a report.

It was a 4 page report. Never did it mention a female. Never did it mention a sickness.

It did talk about a business transaction that occurred in a "looks like it’s a cathedral, synagogue, mosque". "They had very clear thick English accents."

It goes on about a legal transaction somewhere in Europe involving a building, probably a church, with a dome.

None of the "data" was even vaguely related to the target or to the data that the Four TRV'ers got.


I am not saying that this "professional remote viewer" never gets good data on a target.

I am saying that I have seen this same scenario many times....

Trained TRV'ers are given a TRN and all get the same data and a remote viewer gets the same TRN and they get 'data" that is not even related to the target.

Technical Remote Viewing is a very structured procedure for gathering information. It has proven to be reliable when an individual adheres to the structure.

Remote Viewing is an umbrella term that thousands of people use to describe hundreds of different methods for getting data. I am still open, but as of yet I have not found one of them to be able to reliable gather data on the desired target.

[Mozaar]

Thanks

I remember the postings we had in the Circus of CRV, SRV, TRV
Very informative stuff there too.
I think remote viewing is very important to learn. I have been sidetracked by learning new things in spirituality (the Spiritual Enlightment module will do that for you). But I plan to get started ASAP.

Thanks Kevin, this is invaluable to those who appreciate being right the first time. Maybe in a year or so I can offer my services in WeFindOut, then again maybe in a decade I'm still pretty young.

[Raindancer]

Awesome!!! I'm so intrigued!!!

Love and Light,
Raindancer

[Ingram]

I see... I see.... TOTW! lol...

I cannot viably speak to any other protocol as I don't use them, but I have been repetitively astounded by how on target many of my sessions have proved to be with the TRV methodology.

Thanks for being there on my path Kevin

[Raindancer]

So, I'm wanting to be realistic in my expectation of trv... It sounds like there can be successes in one to three hundred hours of practice but one needs thousands of hours to become really proficient but one cannot domore than one forty- five minute session a day which means that it can take years to accrue the number of hours to become really proficient...it would take four years just to get one thousand practice sessions in and not one thousand hours...?

[Aaron]

Trv

Raindancer,

The first day I got my kit, I went through as much as possible
up to stage 3. Before I ever did the practice sessions included,
I did 3 successful 3 stage sessions within 15-20 minutes on
that very same day...or within one day, can't recall.

I was so excited that I went through the basic training. When
I was at my health food store, my mom stopped by and I asked
her to simply think of something and then just make up an 8-digit
number that went to what she thought of.

I don't recall the order of the first or 2nd, but definitely remember
which one was 3rd.

I think the first - the data I got was something that I thought was
a dirt ground or something. She said it was a bull fighting ring.

The 2nd, I described a mountain and she said it was a volcano.

The 3rd, I drew a rectangle (in stage 3), had water in it with a
lifeform inside, which I actually drew like a fish (complete aol)
but point is, the target was the calendar hanging on the wall
behind me, which was a rectangle picture of the ocean with a
killer whale swimming.

This won't happen for everyone like this, but there is something
to beginner's luck where you could get crazy good results like
this and then it goes down and then over practice it comes back
up to a certain point. And my mom and I are very psychically linked
so that was stacked in my favour. Most people and their mom are more
than usual.

So you don't have to spend thousands of hours to get results,
but you do need to put in the time to increase consistency and
going past stage 3 where you get more and more refined details,
it just takes practice.

Don't be discouraged, if you do one 45 minute session a day, you'll see
gradual improvement in results over just weeks to a couple months.
But of course why stop there. When you see the results, I think you'll
maybe just get hooked where you know beyond a shadow of a doubt
that it of course works and that the results will excite you so much,
that putting in the time isn't an issue to get better.

I think in the last 1-2 years or so, Ingram has probably put in more time
than I have in the last 6 years. I would guess that our better sessions are
probably pretty close to the same, however, I would bet that he gets
those really wildly accurate outcomes more often that I do - consistency.

Personally, I don't do any front loaded targets because I don't work with
a team that can corroborate what my results are so I don't know how much
I'm just making up. I keep everything in my blind target pool but when
mixed up, it might take me a LONG time before I actually get to one of
the targets I've been REALLY wanting to do - so that is kind of torture for
me

I replace targets after doing a few from my blind target pool so I always
have about 15-20 and never get it down to just 1 last one then replace
them. I have a pretty good memory so if there was one left, I would
know what the cue is and my imagination would get the better of me.

[Kevin]

So, I'm wanting to be realistic in my expectation of trv... It sounds like there can be successes in one to three hundred hours of practice but one needs thousands of hours to become really proficient but one cannot domore than one forty- five minute session a day which means that it can take years to accrue the number of hours to become really proficient...it would take four years just to get one thousand practice sessions in and not one thousand hours...?

When you first start TRVing your sessions are only about 15 minutes long and it is easy to do 3-4 of them a day.

I solved my first murder case after about 3-4 months. (I was working cold cases at the time for the local PD)

While I got enough data for the Police Detective to solve the case...If I were to do the same session now, I would get MUCH more data.

It is a realistic expectation that if you do 2-4 practice sessions a day of 15 minutes each, for a couple of months, you will start seeing useful data during that 2nd month.

It is also realistic that you will get "on-target" data from day one, but it will likely be very general.

It is also realistic that if you continue spending an hour a day, by the end of one year you will be getting very specific and useful data on a consistent basis.

[Raindancer]

Whew!! Thanks, Aaron and Kevin!! This is most encouraging!!

Onwards and Upwards!

Love and Light,
Raindancer

[Ingram]

I concur with the fellas.

Early on I did a LOT of stage 4's, up to 6-8 a day. The trick for me was to do them consistently so you get to know yourself. Only you can recognize your mental foibles so that when AOL starts sneaking in you will see it & try to correct to remain objective to the data stream.

A big struggle I had was with speed as I was at around 10+ minutes per movement but thanks to some helpful suggestions I am now at 3-5 minutes. When your going fast it's hard for imagination to interject itself and for you to draw conclusions.

I'm at just about 2 years now and I feel like I'm just scratching the surface of trv potential due to some slow periods when I didn't practice as much as I should have (BAD INGRAM!). But I do not consider this a parlor trick or something done on a whim, It's serious business that will serve me (god willing) for the next 30 years.

So if your daunted by training time, consider the long-term ROI and just do the daily bit with self discipline toward protocol and soon you will be surprised by the accuracy of your sessions.

[wantfreeenergy]

I always enjoy reading the posts about TRV'ing. "Did anyone see Joe McMoneagle on the TV show last month called "Paranormal Live". I guess the original air date was in 2000. I DVR'd it and am looking at the details. But when they mentioned Joe McMoneagle I had the memory of him doing the TRV session while using binaural beats on mars.


Has anyone ever done a TRV session on the optimum diet for a human? For so many years I've had this gut feeling that humans should be living so much longer than what is currently accepted. I've had this belief for so long and I only mention it in conversation with people that I know can handle it. Although it's quite common for most people to go straight to their taught system of beliefs that it's the natural cycle for humans to age and become frail and weak with "time". Yet if I keep conversation with em I can open the door a little to let in some fresh air and allow a streak of light to shine. The truth is that the human organisim has the ability to live and regenerate to a healthy youthful state if nourished properly. "one can choose life or one can choose ....."

I absolutely know that humans have the potential to live for such a long long time yet it isn't typically harnessed. I recall stories from my friends growing up that were mormon telling me stories of people in the bible and the book of mormon that lived for hundreds of years. 900 years. And even that the book of mormon mentions that the three nephites that have lived for thousands of years wandering earth. I also recall a chinese man that lived past 250 years and the chinese government gave him a, "congratulation" on his 150th birthday and again on his 200th birthday. And if I recall correctly this is the same man that CHOSE to die simply because he was tired of burying wives.

I have had the feeling that diet plays a crucial role to develop a body that has the ability to regenerate. "If you are alive, then that's proof that the body has the capability to regenerate." Yet the human body can only take so much neglect and lack of nourishment before it decides that it is no longer capable to function. I believe that with the proper nourishment the body will be able to regenerate itself to a perfect state always. ALL-WAYS

So has anyone TRV'd this subject? The proper diet for the optimum nutrition to allow the body to live the way it has been designed to live? I know that with the proper nourishment that it also allows the "spiritual" channels to clear. A simple observation of this is how you feel emotionally and physically when you eat "junk", compared to fresh living food packed with nutrients and enzymes. It seems to me that people that wish to truly become "enlightened" also begin eating more healthy. The non-physical and the physical are directly linked. "but I'm preaching to the choir here, I know."

Also I've noticed so many conflicting opinions and "research" material that people speak of about this being good and this being bad, that it becomes confusing. Many times I've wished that I never required food to nourish my body. One example that I can think of is milk and animal products compared to no aminal products no grain whatsoever. I've heard all the stories and theories, but yet all these people speaking are still ageing. Although they may be healthier, they are still nonetheless not fully regenerating, as far as we can tell at the moment. In another 100 years people will be able to look back and fully see the proper diets that were recommended today to allow the body to function as it is designed to do. But in our current enviroment trying to find the proper diet to follow, for proper nourishment, is like trying to see with your eyes duct-taped shut.

I really feel, believe, know that the body is designed for so much more than is fully accepted today. And this includes the choice of how long we wish to stay in this current body. Yet it's not common knowledge, and the common accepted agenda is to tell you to eat this and that and be healthy for 70 years then accept the decomposition of the body. I also believe that no matter what one's current age or status of un-health that anyone and everyone has the ability to regenerate to a healthy state and to an "ageless" state. I'm really trying to say that granny next door that 70 years of age has the ability to begin nourishing her body to GROW back into her ageless body like it was when she was at her healthiest in her twenties or thirties.

I could go on and on about this, yet.....

So has anyone done a TRV session on this subject?

[Kevin]

Hi wantfreeenergy!

LOTS of ideas/questions in your post.

I do not know of anyone that has TRV'ed "the optimum diet for a human".

I do know that lots of us have TRV'ed what is the optimum diet for us individually, current time. It did not come up the same for everyone.


I also know that there has been TRV work done on what the optimum food for humans is in the future (can't remember what date in the future). That came up with algae being the best food. I did not work this target personally, but several good TRVers did and that is what they got. This is from quite a few years ago.


You entire subject of life longevity is of particular interest to me. I have done a lot of TRV work on this subject, I have also done a fair amount of "traditional" type research.

You did not really ask any questions about that subject, basically you stated what you believe to be fact. Some of it (what you stated as fact) is in agreement with TRV data, some is not.

One thing we both agree about, humans can live healthy vibrant lives well past 70 years old!

I always enjoy reading the posts about TRV'ing. "Did anyone see Joe McMoneagle on the TV show last month called "Paranormal Live". I guess the original air date was in 2000. I DVR'd it and am looking at the details. But when they mentioned Joe McMoneagle I had the memory of him doing the TRV session while using binaural beats on mars.


Has anyone ever done a TRV session on the optimum diet for a human? For so many years I've had this gut feeling that humans should be living so much longer than what is currently accepted. I've had this belief for so long and I only mention it in conversation with people that I know can handle it. Although it's quite common for most people to go straight to their taught system of beliefs that it's the natural cycle for humans to age and become frail and weak with "time". Yet if I keep conversation with em I can open the door a little to let in some fresh air and allow a streak of light to shine. The truth is that the human organisim has the ability to live and regenerate to a healthy youthful state if nourished properly. "one can choose life or one can choose ....."

I absolutely know that humans have the potential to live for such a long long time yet it isn't typically harnessed. I recall stories from my friends growing up that were mormon telling me stories of people in the bible and the book of mormon that lived for hundreds of years. 900 years. And even that the book of mormon mentions that the three nephites that have lived for thousands of years wandering earth. I also recall a chinese man that lived past 250 years and the chinese government gave him a, "congratulation" on his 150th birthday and again on his 200th birthday. And if I recall correctly this is the same man that CHOSE to die simply because he was tired of burying wives.

I have had the feeling that diet plays a crucial role to develop a body that has the ability to regenerate. "If you are alive, then that's proof that the body has the capability to regenerate." Yet the human body can only take so much neglect and lack of nourishment before it decides that it is no longer capable to function. I believe that with the proper nourishment the body will be able to regenerate itself to a perfect state always. ALL-WAYS

So has anyone TRV'd this subject? The proper diet for the optimum nutrition to allow the body to live the way it has been designed to live? I know that with the proper nourishment that it also allows the "spiritual" channels to clear. A simple observation of this is how you feel emotionally and physically when you eat "junk", compared to fresh living food packed with nutrients and enzymes. It seems to me that people that wish to truly become "enlightened" also begin eating more healthy. The non-physical and the physical are directly linked. "but I'm preaching to the choir here, I know."

Also I've noticed so many conflicting opinions and "research" material that people speak of about this being good and this being bad, that it becomes confusing. Many times I've wished that I never required food to nourish my body. One example that I can think of is milk and animal products compared to no aminal products no grain whatsoever. I've heard all the stories and theories, but yet all these people speaking are still ageing. Although they may be healthier, they are still nonetheless not fully regenerating, as far as we can tell at the moment. In another 100 years people will be able to look back and fully see the proper diets that were recommended today to allow the body to function as it is designed to do. But in our current enviroment trying to find the proper diet to follow, for proper nourishment, is like trying to see with your eyes duct-taped shut.

I really feel, believe, know that the body is designed for so much more than is fully accepted today. And this includes the choice of how long we wish to stay in this current body. Yet it's not common knowledge, and the common accepted agenda is to tell you to eat this and that and be healthy for 70 years then accept the decomposition of the body. I also believe that no matter what one's current age or status of un-health that anyone and everyone has the ability to regenerate to a healthy state and to an "ageless" state. I'm really trying to say that granny next door that 70 years of age has the ability to begin nourishing her body to GROW back into her ageless body like it was when she was at her healthiest in her twenties or thirties.

I could go on and on about this, yet.....

So has anyone done a TRV session on this subject?

[wantfreeenergy]

I think it was the day after posting that I thought to myself. I'm sure people have done trv sessions on the optimum diet, but it would be an optimum diet for the individual doing the session.

The question I was really wondering about having been trv'd was; what would be the optimum diet that allows one to regenerate their body to a youthful state and maintan that state indefinately. Or as long as one chooses. And maybe this is something I would need to do for myself to answer this question?

I also recall reading something about the algae somewhere. I think I read it in one of the other trv posts. Someone was mentioning how versatile algae was cus it's the food source and it could also be used as an energy source.

I would also be interested with your research and trv data about life longevity if you're willing. For me it's hard to dictate wether I'm actually gathering pertinant research or just reading others opinions from the net. "mostly though I think more than anything, belief plays another crucial role which is just as important as diet." And from the small amount of reading I've been doing about maintaining a youthful and living body is to eat raw vegan. Which is not something I've ever considered trying cus I enjoy my eggs and my rabbit and my butter and my good oils. But maybe we need to start a different thread so I can quit clouding this one with off-topic stuff?


Another question I've had about trv. Lets say that two people are doing a session on the exact same question. And why not use the question from above. Optimum diet for youthfulness and living for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Or as long as one chooses.

The first person believes that this is possible and is very much open to the possibility of such a life. The individual has a belief that one can live for such an extended period of time so long as they nourish their body and take care of it. This persons perception of time is that it holds no value to measure life, and also has no need to wear a watch.

And the second person has no belief that this is possible whatsoever. They believe what the doctors say, they believe that people age and it's natural and exceptional to make it to 90 years of life. They also have the belief that if they live that long then they are gonna be very weathered, aged and crippled, etc.. The belief in time for this person exists and is used extensively. They wear a watch and they set their life to the beat of the seconds, minutes, and hours that tick by. Time is also considered to this person as a way to measure life.

Does the belief of a person doing a session on something that is relative to one's opinon about it, change the data they receive? Especially something as subjective as time and age? And especially as above where the two hold different perceptions of time? Also does the fact that it's a future event cause the data to be subjective to current perceptions that the individual holds? Maybe I'm just answering my own questions here. But I'd still like to hear form those that use trv.

I definately have lots of questions. And I often feel like I'm running around like a chicken with it's head chopped off with all the curiosities and questions in my mind. LOL But I'm a curious cat.

[Pamela Vicik-Smith]

Wantfreeenergy, the way I understand it, the personal beliefs of the TRVer would have no bearing on the outcome because they have no idea what the question is. At least in the case of a blind target. They have only an 8 digit number which has been randomly assigned to the question.

They come up with the answer, but would not know the question.

[Kevin]

Easy question first-Pamela is correct. TRV data is TRV data regardless of the person accessing it. The data is not tainted by the collector of the data (the person TRVing) for a couple of reasons-

1. They do not know what it is they are TRVing
2. The protocol is to go so fast the conscious mind does not have time to process the data being collected and put their own thoughts in
3. The protocol produces a bi-located state which further prevents conscious analysis of data while collecting said data
4. The protocol does have a provision for imagination/conscious thought (if it enters in) to be recorded separately from the data


I would never cue a target like you have asked (unless you were paying me to do it for you and I could not talk you out of it)--

"what would be the optimum diet that allows one to regenerate their body to a youthful state and maintan that state indefinately."

The reason why is that your question makes an assumption. I know you think it is true...and it might be...but if you want good clean TRV data, then it is best to never make any assumptions.

If your interest is in learning what the optimum diet, then cue a target for that.

If your interest is in what is the best way for human life forms to live in a youthful or healthy state as long as possibly, then cue for that.

Many years ago I was working with a Police Investigator that was sure that a xyz person had committed a crime..that person even had "admitted" (but later recanted) that they had committed the crime.

The Investigator wanted me to TRV what the best steps were to locate evidence that would lead to a conviction of this person for said crime.

Fortunately I was able to get him to see that it would be better to NOT assume that this person had committed the crime...first let's see who did it, and at the same time look for evidence that would lead to a conviction.

That is what we did, we found out that xyz person did NOT do the crime, someone else did, and we also got data on WHY they did it, and what to say to them that would spur them to confess, thus leading to a conviction.

Regarding longevity, I have thousands of pages of data from over the years. Way to much to post even a synopsis right now.

TRV sounds like the perfect process for you to learn since you are so curious...imagine...being able to know anything about anything!!!!

It could revolutionize your life!

I think it was the day after posting that I thought to myself. I'm sure people have done trv sessions on the optimum diet, but it would be an optimum diet for the individual doing the session.

The question I was really wondering about having been trv'd was; what would be the optimum diet that allows one to regenerate their body to a youthful state and maintan that state indefinately. Or as long as one chooses. And maybe this is something I would need to do for myself to answer this question?

I also recall reading something about the algae somewhere. I think I read it in one of the other trv posts. Someone was mentioning how versatile algae was cus it's the food source and it could also be used as an energy source.

I would also be interested with your research and trv data about life longevity if you're willing. For me it's hard to dictate wether I'm actually gathering pertinant research or just reading others opinions from the net. "mostly though I think more than anything, belief plays another crucial role which is just as important as diet." And from the small amount of reading I've been doing about maintaining a youthful and living body is to eat raw vegan. Which is not something I've ever considered trying cus I enjoy my eggs and my rabbit and my butter and my good oils. But maybe we need to start a different thread so I can quit clouding this one with off-topic stuff?


Another question I've had about trv. Lets say that two people are doing a session on the exact same question. And why not use the question from above. Optimum diet for youthfulness and living for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Or as long as one chooses.

The first person believes that this is possible and is very much open to the possibility of such a life. The individual has a belief that one can live for such an extended period of time so long as they nourish their body and take care of it. This persons perception of time is that it holds no value to measure life, and also has no need to wear a watch.

And the second person has no belief that this is possible whatsoever. They believe what the doctors say, they believe that people age and it's natural and exceptional to make it to 90 years of life. They also have the belief that if they live that long then they are gonna be very weathered, aged and crippled, etc.. The belief in time for this person exists and is used extensively. They wear a watch and they set their life to the beat of the seconds, minutes, and hours that tick by. Time is also considered to this person as a way to measure life.

Does the belief of a person doing a session on something that is relative to one's opinon about it, change the data they receive? Especially something as subjective as time and age? And especially as above where the two hold different perceptions of time? Also does the fact that it's a future event cause the data to be subjective to current perceptions that the individual holds? Maybe I'm just answering my own questions here. But I'd still like to hear form those that use trv.

I definately have lots of questions. And I often feel like I'm running around like a chicken with it's head chopped off with all the curiosities and questions in my mind. LOL But I'm a curious cat.

[wantfreeenergy]

TRV sounds like the perfect process for you to learn since you are so curious...imagine...being able to know anything about anything!!!!

Many times over the past year and a half or so I've contemplated ordering the course. I was very close to ordering it one day too. I keep wondering if I'll dedicate the time that's required.


Another question. I just can't seem to quit asking. What about future events? Can future events be TRV'd? And if they can be, does the data change with time as other future events unfold or as the collective conscious changes?



Well after perusing around last night, "actually early this morning", I was kinda thinking this was a dumb question. And I kinda felt like a 5 year old child that just never seems to stop asking questions. LOL But I found an answer to the question I was asking. Remote Viewing Optimum Trajectories It's one of the optimum trajectiories articles from psi tech.