Technical Remote Viewing Vs. Remote Viewing

[timh651]

Kevin,Ingram,Aaron

Hey everybody,
I was reading this thread about technical remote viewing and I was just wondering what you thought about the system by Gerald O'Donnell at
Academy of Remote Viewing and Remote Influencing (manifesting) Reality through Time and Space: Home page
I have both of his courses on remote viewing and remote influencing. They teach you how to remote view by entering the theta and delta state of mind. I've went through each course a few times but I haven't been able to see anything. I'm highly visual and like this kind of feed back, but I don't have any way to visually verify that I'm in the theta state. I wish I had some kind of EEG that I could hook myself up to and practice switching brain frequencies while I watched to get an idea of what each state felt like. But those machines are very expensive.
I also don't have anyone to remote view with.
I got the course by Gerald O'Donnell because I thought I could use it to find the answers to some questions I have always wanted to know. But it seems that if you know the question you can't use remote viewing to find the answer yourself. Doesn't technical remote viewing have the same problem?

[Aaron]

remote viewing

Hi Tim,

If that course on remote viewing is teaching what your describing,
then that isn't remote viewing. You may enter those states of mind
during remote viewing but that is an effect of it and not what you must
do in order to remote view.

It is a paperwork process that you do while in focused concentration
following some very regimented protocols.

[timh651]

Hi Tim,

If that course on remote viewing is teaching what your describing,
then that isn't remote viewing. You may enter those states of mind
during remote viewing but that is an effect of it and not what you must
do in order to remote view.

It is a paperwork process that you do while in focused concentration
following some very regimented protocols.

Ok what about this program from Ed Dames?
Learn Remote Viewing

Is this a good program? Which one is the best?

[Aaron]

Technical Remote Viewing

I've seen one of the latest Ed Dames training programs.
After the ideograms, he goes directly to stage 2 without even decoding
the ideograms. I can't see how that is helpful to anyone that wants to
learn the real remote viewing protocols.

This is the only one I would ever spend my money on, this is what all
of us are trained in because it works:

Technical Remote Viewing Generation II Basic Training System

And

Technical Remote Viewing Advanced Training System



.

[Ingram]

Hi Tim,

Obviously you are considering practicing remote viewing and one of the main things to consider is the genesis and VIABLE protocol's that have developed as an outgrowth of the original methodology.

I suggest that you find out for yourself if TRV works here:

TRV.COM - Your Remote Viewing News Resource

[Aaron]

discounted kits

I've seen one of the latest Ed Dames training programs.
After the ideograms, he goes directly to stage 2 without even decoding
the ideograms. I can't see how that is helpful to anyone that wants to
learn the real remote viewing protocols.

This is the only one I would ever spend my money on, this is what all
of us are trained in because it works:

Technical Remote Viewing Generation II Basic Training System

And

Technical Remote Viewing Advanced Training System



.

p.s., the basic system, the first link, you can find used copies of the kit
for half the price of a new one. You probably won't find any used copies
of the advanced kit.

[timh651]

Hi Tim,

Obviously you are considering practicing remote viewing and one of the main things to consider is the genesis and VIABLE protocol's that have developed as an outgrowth of the original methodology.

I suggest that you find out for yourself if TRV works here:

TRV.COM - Your Remote Viewing News Resource

thanks for the help but when i click on the link it doesn't take me anywhere

[Ingram]

Hey Tim,

For some reason that link went into a redirect loop. They have a free download on this page (top left) so lets try this:

Remote Viewing Quickstart



I was kicking the tires of TRV but once I tried the quickstart process it was obvious that it was a viable technique and I was convinced.

[Kevin]

Many times over the past year and a half or so I've contemplated ordering the course. I was very close to ordering it one day too. I keep wondering if I'll dedicate the time that's required.


Another question. I just can't seem to quit asking. What about future events? Can future events be TRV'd? And if they can be, does the data change with time as other future events unfold or as the collective conscious changes?



Well after perusing around last night, "actually early this morning", I was kinda thinking this was a dumb question. And I kinda felt like a 5 year old child that just never seems to stop asking questions. LOL But I found an answer to the question I was asking. Remote Viewing Optimum Trajectories It's one of the optimum trajectiories articles from psi tech.

There are differing opinions on whether the absolute future can be TRV'd. Without getting into a HUGE amount of detail regarding various offshoots of this question...I can say that I've had great success TRVing the "actual outcome of xyz situation".

What is interesting is that one can TRV the "optimum trajectory" and get data on what the Optimum (best) outcome is for a specific situation...however, that does not mean that is what will happen. Humans sometimes choose (free will is a whole other interesting subject) to do something OTHER than the optimum.

This can result in the outcome being different than the optimum outcome.

SOOO, most of the time when TRVing an outcome (vs. looking at a past event or some other subject) I will look at the optimum trajectory AND I will look at the actual outcome. Sometimes they are the same, sometimes they are different because of choices made that were less than optimum, thus resulting in a different outcome than the optimum trajectory.

Yes, if you think about this a bit it brings up a whole other series of questions.

I will just say that every time I have TRV'd the actual outcome it has been accurate, even when it differed from the optimum trajectory, AND even when the Life Form was informed of the optimum vs. the actual.

Big Subject!

[timh651]

Ok so i got the basic TRV training course. I was able to get a copy of the VHS version for half price because they were having a close out sale on them. I've had it for a couple of days. I've watched the lecture series of tapes once already. I haven't started any of the training tapes yet. I'm going to listen to the theta entrainment CD that came with it and watch the lecture series again before I start the training tapes.

[Ingram]

Congratulations Tim!

If I can contribute to your success let me know

[cyclon]

Remote viewing and the next stage, remote influence can be attained with hypnosis - I would advice against using feeble attempts to leap onto the paranormal. Especially wannabes, don't tip your toe in deep waters.

[Nadda]

Remote viewing and the next stage, remote influence can be attained with hypnosis.

That certainly did the trick for edgar cayce.

I would advice against using feeble attempts to leap onto the paranormal.

I wouldnt. Everyone should practice using the full potential of theyre minds. Maybe then enough people would realize this world if far more magical than our sciences can explain to us.

Especially wannabes, don't tip your toe in deep waters

Theres no such thing as a wannabe, paranormal isnt an exclusive club. Everyone has just as much power or ability as you and i do. I would encourage every "wannabe" to practice as much as they can and get people involved. The worst that could happen is that more people will discover the truth.

[Gary]

I am going to wholeheartedly agree with Nadda. While things like remote viewing take practice and dedication, everyone can work and develop these skills.

Many are already so lost in the touch it/believe it world that they really are closed off to the possibilities and the more that can open up to those possibilities, the better.

[cyclon]

Theres no such thing as a wannabe, paranormal isnt an exclusive club. Everyone has just as much power or ability as you and i do. I would encourage every "wannabe" to practice as much as they can and get people involved. The worst that could happen is that more people will discover the truth.

Yes like my friend who is on the verge of convincing me we are all part of the resistance after "accidentally" siphoning data from the government after being subjected to hypnosis. Now he is caught in a matrix with me on board warning others of the inevitable war between humans and alien form of entities collaborating with ill-thinking government un-officials who have their drones scattered strategically all over the planet - including cyberspace.