Use for the Tesla Switch

[Helijason]

Good to see people still slogging away at the analog 4 battery TS; thanks to bit's, we now know how to make it fire to get the self charge. Theoretically.

Can anyone do an animation of the firing sequence, like when dr lindemann did that gravity wheel yt vid?

If people can see the exact sequence (myself included), we'll have more people able to crack the nut.

I can't do an animation, dont have a computer atm. But http://www.falstad.com/circuit/ might work, and a video on youtube would be great

Just putting it out there

I've started putting together a simulation for bits "relief valve" version of the code. I have the controller built, need to put the TS together and see what happens!

Jason

[John_K]

Then you posted the solar charger video and John k post what the patent was. Anyway that patent showed me to connect the bottom trigger wire that normally goes to 0V on the ssg, to the positive
What a brilliant circuit. I turned a new bifilar coil, square---as wide as it is high--aircore.This thing is a monster. It starts to self oscillate from 0.7v and if I drive it from a small 350ma 14v transformer it charges a 330uf cap up to 90v when the neon lights up in only 1.5 seconds. I will use it to condition my batteries to see if I get more success on the Ts and any of the other bedini ideas.

Vissie,

I tried that circuit too with a trifilar coil, R60 core. It is awesome as you say. I can charge a 47,600uF cap bank to 30V and dump every 2.5 secs from just 200mA 13V, or if I lower the base resistance I can get the cap bank up to 46V before it dumps from 1A at 12V. My caps are only rated at 50V so I had to increase the dump frequency. Unfortunately I blew the last of my 555s when playing with the timing so I have to wait for my PICAXE kit to arrive before I play with it any more.

I did a couple of load tests, but nothing too exciting to report. I'm planning on using the same circuit as the load for my TS.

John K.

[John_K]

Hi gang,

This is the code I am using for the 6 transistor circuit I posted earlier. Pin 1 turns on Q2 and then pin 2 turns on Q4 and Q6 after the 10 ms delay. Then Q4 and Q6 turn off after the 125 ms delay. Then after another 10 ms delay pin 1 turns off to turn off Q2. After a 500 ms delay the same thing happens for the other side with Q5 turning on first and then Q1 and Q3 turning on. Pin 3 controls Q5 and pin 4 controls Q1 and Q3.


Well when I tried to upload it I kept getting a file error so I'll just type it in and hope it comes out in a readable format. LOL


Main:

high 1

pause 10

high 2

pause 125

low 2

pause 10

low 1

pause 500

high 3

pause 10

high 4

pause 125

low 4

pause 10

low 3

pause 500

goto main


Carroll

Hi Carroll,

You should be able to just copy and paste the code. Anyway, I copied your code into my PICAXE editor. I would try keeping pins 2 and 4 higher for longer to see what happens.

Another thought.... has anyone tried setting up the series and parallel transistors first and then switching in the load. This would be 6 transistor setup, similar to the original. Just a thought...

John K.

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Hi gang,

This is the code I am using for the 6 transistor circuit I posted earlier. Pin 1 turns on Q2 and then pin 2 turns on Q4 and Q6 after the 10 ms delay. Then Q4 and Q6 turn off after the 125 ms delay. Then after another 10 ms delay pin 1 turns off to turn off Q2. After a 500 ms delay the same thing happens for the other side with Q5 turning on first and then Q1 and Q3 turning on. Pin 3 controls Q5 and pin 4 controls Q1 and Q3.


Well when I tried to upload it I kept getting a file error so I'll just type it in and hope it comes out in a readable format. LOL


Main:

high 1

pause 10

high 2

pause 125

low 2

pause 10

low 1

pause 500

high 3

pause 10

high 4

pause 125

low 4

pause 10

low 3

pause 500

goto main


Carroll

Try this;
Main:

high 1, 2
pause 800 ; tweek this value for load
low 1, 2

pause 10

high 3, 4
pause 800 ; tweek this value for load
low 3, 4


goto main

Bit's

[citfta]

Timing suggestions

@Bits and John K.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try those ideas over the next few days and let you know how it turns out.

Thanks again, Carroll

[ldissing]

Hi Carroll,

You should be able to just copy and paste the code. Anyway, I copied your code into my PICAXE editor. I would try keeping pins 2 and 4 higher for longer to see what happens.

Another thought.... has anyone tried setting up the series and parallel transistors first and then switching in the load. This would be 6 transistor setup, similar to the original. Just a thought...

John K.

I've tried many combinations and thought about that, but right now, my upper and lower transistors are on the same signal. I just need to do a little more soldering to get them separated. I've done everything from 4 sec, to 25us. Sometimes I get some charging, other times no. Big loads seem like the best bet, because (I think) the resistance is so low on them, but I have no definite answers yet.

I can simulate Bits with NPNs, but no real good success with that either. My batteries aren't running down, which is good, but good fast charging is elusive still.

Lero

[JANGYD]

Bit's Circuit

Hi Bit,

I tested your configuration with two PNPs and Optos for the parallel switches,
tried with the same signal for Q1. I couldn't make it.
Even I couldn't make the PNP closed on with open bias(pulling or pushing),
like many others on this list asked how it could be.
With more parts added I could make it closed on and opened with the signal,
but I don't like this approach with more parts because of many lose.
I also tried with the NPN as you mentioned it doesn't matter,
but failed for sinalling problems. So I ordered the Auduino's PIC kit.
I am a novice on Digital but hope my friend can help me.

Anyway, Bit Can you explain more about your circuit how it works?
Otherwise you recommend just TRY, TRY and TRY? it will work.
Blessing,

JANG

[JANGYD]

Are we on the right track?

Hi,

I ask myself I am on the right track?
The main purpose of my studying on this list is how I can use 'Lamellar' current, which needs KRON's concept and JB's finding.
The key issues for using that current , from my understaning
is the negistor effect on semiconductors going negative 'WITH THE CORRECT PULSING'.

What is 'the correct pulsing' on the semiconductor?

I ask myself Mr Leroy and Mr Bit's success and finding are related with this?

Have a nice weekend.

JANG

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Hi Bit,

I tested your configuration with two PNPs and Optos for the parallel switches,
tried with the same signal for Q1. I couldn't make it.
Even I couldn't make the PNP closed on with open bias(pulling or pushing),
like many others on this list asked how it could be.
With more parts added I could make it closed on and opened with the signal,
but I don't like this approach with more parts because of many lose.
I also tried with the NPN as you mentioned it doesn't matter,
but failed for sinalling problems. So I ordered the Auduino's PIC kit.
I am a novice on Digital but hope my friend can help me.

Anyway, Bit Can you explain more about your circuit how it works?
Otherwise you recommend just TRY, TRY and TRY? it will work.
Blessing,

JANG

JANG, can you post your exact schematic and I'll take a look?

Thanks.

[JANGYD]

my test circuit

Thanks Bit,

I am sorry I don't have any CAD right now so I painted your circuit for my test circuit. So sorry.

I didn't change anything as possible asI can do and I tested.
The main difference is the signal, you using PIC and I using 3524(and 494).
Maybe there is a difference-ground, you using B1 and I using another B5
I tried a variety ways like serial and parallel to match Q1 and Q9.

Bit,
I don't complain you. I really wish to learn your method to make PNP closed on
with open bias.
Your method really makes a circuit simple further for another applications.
I will keep on.

JANG

JANG, can you post your exact schematic and I'll take a look?

Thanks.

[Inquorate]

Testing delayed, the tl494 square wave pwm ren gave me died again, so i made another 555 based one;

Variable pulse width 555 - Vox

I'll resume tests tomorrow.

[John_K]

Testing delayed, the tl494 square wave pwm ren gave me died again, so i made another 555 based one;

Variable pulse width 555 - Vox

I'll resume tests tomorrow.

Hang in there Inquorate, you're not having fun unless you blow stuff up

Since I blew up all of my 555's and am waiting for the PICAXE kit to arrive, I thought I'd play with a 3 battery TS setup with a solid state SSG as the load.

I don't have any numbers yet, but it is interesting. The SS SSG oscillates at half the frequency that the 3 TS transistors oscillate at. I don't know why yet. I have the 3 TS transistors biased with a 100 ohm resistor between collector and base, same as JB's 3 battery TS setup schematic.

I have the SS SSG tuned at ~500mA @ ~7.8V - ~11.0V across the two negatives, which runs at ~370Hz. I think I have one battery with a bad cell - it drops from ~12.5 to ~10.0V and then will charge from ~10.5V to ~16.0V in about 30 minutes.

The SS SSG charges a 4th battery fairly slowly. When the switch is first turned on the 7Ah battery gains about 0.2V and then increases about 0.01V every few minutes. There is no cap pulser on the output, the 3rd winding goes to a FWBR and then straight to the 4th battery.

All fun and games in the shed...

John K.

[Inquorate]

Hang in there Inquorate, you're not having fun unless you blow stuff up

Since I blew up all of my 555's and am waiting for the PICAXE kit to arrive, I thought I'd play with a 3 battery TS setup with a solid state SSG as the load.

I don't have any numbers yet, but it is interesting. The SS SSG oscillates at half the frequency that the 3 TS transistors oscillate at. I don't know why yet. I have the 3 TS transistors biased with a 100 ohm resistor between collector and base, same as JB's 3 battery TS setup schematic.

I have the SS SSG tuned at ~500mA @ ~7.8V - ~11.0V across the two negatives, which runs at ~370Hz. I think I have one battery with a bad cell - it drops from ~12.5 to ~10.0V and then will charge from ~10.5V to ~16.0V in about 30 minutes.

The SS SSG charges a 4th battery fairly slowly. When the switch is first turned on the 7Ah battery gains about 0.2V and then increases about 0.01V every few minutes. There is no cap pulser on the output, the 3rd winding goes to a FWBR and then straight to the 4th battery.

All fun and games in the shed...

John K.

It does sound like fun

Ps, shouldn't need a fourth battery; Tesla bedini - Vox

Love and light

[Mark]

Hello John K and Inquorate

I did something really strange last night I'm hopeing one of you will replicate and tell me what you see. First of all I took the 3 battery TS and hooked them up without any transistors or the diode but I put and 1157 bulb in between the 2 batteries in sieries. Negative of the bulb on negative side of one battery and positive of the bulb to the positive of the other battery. Bulb lights up.

Then I took the 2 negative battery connections where you would normally hook the load and I hooked up a 3 pole monopole thats run with a half bipolar switch (single battery set up).

Then I hooked up a real small electric motor, it might be a 3 volt motor to the 2 positives. So I have some kind of load hooked up inbetween each of the 3 batteries. If that makes any sense to you.

Now the bulb does not light up when the little motor and the SG are connected and running but when I check 2 of the batteries with a volt meter the voltage is bouncing all over the place. Anywhere from 12 to 14 volts. One battery usually stays constant but the other 2 are all over the place. I just hooked it back up this morning and going to let it run a couple of hours and see what happens.

Mark

[Inquorate]

@ mark - i think you're choking the electron flow with your two inductive loads, so the voltage runs ahead. It would appear as a positive spike ahead of a square wave on a scope; 'h'

The bulb needs electrons to heat up to brightness, but your system may be running on mostly voltage, so it doesn't light up.

It sounds like exactly what i'm trying for. Gotta catch some z's right now, but interested to hear if the 24v battery bank drops slower than before while still charging the others.

I'll let you know how my setup goes tomorrow.

'night