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  • Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
    Oh yeah the SS drawing power will also trigger an SG connected to the supply line's and the wave form then looks like this.

    http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...S_2.JPG?psid=1

    Which makes the SG waveform look like this.

    http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...plt.JPG?psid=1

    The possibilities are many it seems.

    Regards
    Hi Farmhand,

    Can you please describe where in the circuit you are taking the waveforms? Also the scope settings would help.



    John K.
    http://teslagenx.com

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    • Yeah the first one in your quote is probed accross the the supply lines feeding a SS thats triggering the SSG in the second one which is connected to the same supply lines, the second one is the SSG collector emmiter waveform, it just starts working by turning it on without spinning the rotor and the current draw can be adjusted while the frequency stays the same as the SS, if the base resistance is reduced too far the SSG frequency halves.

      The scope was set to Vertical Gain ATT 1/10 Those two shots were taken a while ago not from the present setup they were drawing power from a transformer, bridge and 4000 uf cap, but that's what it looks like. In my present setup there is another diode back at the panel. So before that i don't know what it looks like.

      I noticed when the SSG in switched on there are some small spikes in the supply line.

      Anyway I want to feed the spikes in while the panels are also charging (Like the first shot of my first post) but my concern is that the spikes may go right through the battery and back to the panel negative or is that just silly.

      Cheers

      Oh yeah the first shot in my first post has the vertical gain turned up as well. And using the SS like that it also causes the scr to commutate I think.
      Last edited by Farmhand; 10-08-2010, 03:28 PM.

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      • Oh well I was just reading the back of a new panel that came today and it says maximum system voltage 1000 volts so I don't think I need to worry Should be fine. I've got a backup panel now anyway.

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        • New concept

          Hi team, well just don't think that I cannot continue to develop ideas because of the conference. Take a look at the attached drawing, but please note, at this stage is just theroy. What if we take a "Master Board" and pulse three drive coils and turn the rotor. The "Radiant" energy will fill the caps, which will maintain the next batts (24V) which in turn will feed the next board, and so on and so on. My vision is a 12 coiler, with 3 filiar coils, and the last PCB doing the actual output to the charge batts. This last PCB could also feed the first PCB with 12V to restore the 12V that gets the whole process started. I know that I am mixing technologies, but as I have stated before, "Free energy will be made from many devices, not just one".

          Your thoughts

          Jeff
          Last edited by Bit's-n-Bytes; 11-17-2010, 01:26 AM.

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          • I think I got it

            Hi Jeff,

            I think I see what you are doing. You are trying to keep me up past my bedtime with another of your great circuits. It has been a very long day so I am going to have to study this more tomorrow. From what I can understand tonight this looks like a great idea. I do have one question. If you are pulsing the coils with the pic then do you even need a rotor? Like I said it is late and I am probably not seeing this clearly. Oh well off to bed and I'll look at it more tomorrow.

            Good night, Carroll
            Just because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone.

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            • Originally posted by Bit's-n-Bytes View Post
              Hi team, well just don't think that I cannot continue to develop ideas because of the conference. Take a look at the attached drawing, but please note, at this stage is just theroy. What if we take a "Master Board" and pulse three drive coils and turn the rotor. The "Radiant" energy will fill the caps, which will maintain the next batts (24V) which in turn will feed the next board, and so on and so on. My vision is a 12 coiler, with 3 filiar coils, and the last PCB doing the actual output to the charge batts. This last PCB could also feed the first PCB with 12V to restore the 12V that gets the whole process started. I know that I am mixing technologies, but as I have stated before, "Free energy will be made from many devices, not just one".
              Your thoughts
              Jeff
              Well won't you be trying to charge a battery and then immediately discharge it. All I know is you can sustain a battery at best that way but they may not charge.
              But then again maybe I am confused. It been known to happen.

              Matt

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              • Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post
                Well won't you be trying to charge a battery and then immediately discharge it. All I know is you can sustain a battery at best that way but they may not charge.
                But then again maybe I am confused. It been known to happen.

                Matt
                Maybe I should have used the term of "Output" batts instead of "Charge". This is the concept I envision which is to self maintain while being able to drive a rotor. Maybe I should rethink the 12 coils, and use 3 for the drive, and 9 for the energizer portion. This will make for good conversation at the conference. Thanks Vissie for correcting me on the flybacks. I uploaded the corrected drawing.

                Jeff

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                • So I was right, your just trying to sustain your energy while running a motor. Not gain an extra charge.

                  I can't wait till November.

                  Matt

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                  • Hey Guy's,
                    I have been out of the loop, and on the side lines for a while, but I have been keeping up with this forum as much as I can. I hope to be back in the game shortly.
                    I always seem to have a little more time during the winter months and it looks like you are all making some head way.
                    It also sounds like there maybe a few of you attending the upcoming conference.
                    I hope to learn something and meet some new interesting people, maybe take that electric Porshe around town.. for a jolt.
                    Mark

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                    • Even more stuff to discuss at the conference

                      Hi team, Take a look!

                      YouTube - Pulsinator III.MPG

                      "The Pulsinator III" a "Master Board" that will pulse three drive coils and turn the rotor. The "Radiant" energy will fill the caps, which will maintain the next batts (24V) which in turn will feed the next board, and so on and so on. My vision is a 12 coiler, with 3 filiar coils, and the last PCB doing the actual output to the charge batts. This last PCB could also feed the first PCB with 12V to restore the 12V that gets the whole process started.

                      See you guy's at the conference!

                      Jeff
                      Last edited by Bit's-n-Bytes; 11-17-2010, 01:26 AM.

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                      • Now that is a totally awesome circuit, very impressive. It would take me about 3 years to build that, even with your excelent drawing and explaination. Don't suppose you are going to start taking orders soon i'll buy one.

                        But seriously I know your far too busy for that and you probably haven't a minute to spare. I'm going to have to put on my never give up hat and build one of these pulsinators one day.

                        I noticed you had posted a circuit that is an inverter/charger was it ? I am very interested in building the inverter version.

                        Thanks for sharing these gems.

                        Regards

                        It's a bit confusing for me would you be so kind Bits as to tell me the nature of the output of this circuit http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...b_inverter.jpg

                        Is it pulsed DC or AC and voltage and possible amperage ability. Please forgive me for my ignorance I probably missed it somewhere. Thanks
                        Last edited by Farmhand; 10-28-2010, 01:16 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by Farmhand View Post
                          Now that is a totally awesome circuit, very impressive. It would take me about 3 years to build that, even with your excelent drawing and explaination. Don't suppose you are going to start taking orders soon i'll buy one.

                          But seriously I know your far too busy for that and you probably haven't a minute to spare. I'm going to have to put on my never give up hat and build one of these pulsinators one day.

                          I noticed you had posted a circuit that is an inverter/charger was it ? I am very interested in building the inverter version.

                          Thanks for sharing these gems.

                          Regards

                          It's a bit confusing for me would you be so kind Bits as to tell me the nature of the output of this circuit http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...b_inverter.jpg

                          Is it pulsed DC or AC and voltage and possible amperage ability. Please forgive me for my ignorance I probably missed it somewhere. Thanks
                          Thanks Farmhand, ah that's my little gem and I will have it on display at the conference as well. Basically it takes 8-12vdc @ 300ma and Pulses 2.5 amps out to charge a battery.

                          Hope this helps.

                          Jeff

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                          • Originally posted by Bit's-n-Bytes View Post
                            Hi team, Take a look!

                            YouTube - Pulsinator III.MPG

                            "The Pulsinator III" a "Master Board" that will pulse three drive coils and turn the rotor. The "Radiant" energy will fill the caps, which will maintain the next batts (24V) which in turn will feed the next board, and so on and so on. My vision is a 12 coiler, with 3 filiar coils, and the last PCB doing the actual output to the charge batts. This last PCB could also feed the first PCB with 12V to restore the 12V that gets the whole process started.

                            See you guy's at the conference!

                            Jeff

                            You are the Nam!

                            Good talking with you this morning about this. Potentially (pun intended) a self-running battery charger that can also run a load!

                            Brilliant (another intended pun) design as usual.

                            Funny, I am reading some Tesla work where he describes pulsing a coil with HV (thousands of volts). He also mentions that doing it at very HF (~500kHz) will do some amazing things. I'm not at his level but it's the same concept that you are using here.


                            JohnK.
                            http://teslagenx.com

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                            • Originally posted by John_K View Post

                              You are the Nam!

                              Good talking with you this morning about this. Potentially (pun intended) a self-running battery charger that can also run a load!

                              Brilliant (another intended pun) design as usual.

                              Funny, I am reading some Tesla work where he describes pulsing a coil with HV (thousands of volts). He also mentions that doing it at very HF (~500kHz) will do some amazing things. I'm not at his level but it's the same concept that you are using here.


                              JohnK.
                              Thanks John.

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                              • Originally posted by Bit's-n-Bytes View Post
                                Hi team, Take a look!

                                YouTube - Pulsinator III.MPG

                                "The Pulsinator III" a "Master Board" that will pulse three drive coils and turn the rotor. The "Radiant" energy will fill the caps, which will maintain the next batts (24V) which in turn will feed the next board, and so on and so on. My vision is a 12 coiler, with 3 filiar coils, and the last PCB doing the actual output to the charge batts. This last PCB could also feed the first PCB with 12V to restore the 12V that gets the whole process started.

                                See you guy's at the conference!

                                Jeff
                                Cool circuit! I envy your workshop!
                                But I'm confused, how will Cap1 and Cap2 discharge when D4 and D6 are present?

                                /Hob
                                Hob Nilre
                                http://www.youtube.com/nilrehob

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