Use for the Tesla Switch

[Curnow]

Acronyms

Thanks Guys,
Now I have a red face. Didn't even think of Mr Google. Sorry.
Here is another link for acronyms. Acronym Geek - Largest Internet Database of Acronyms

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Dennis

[John_K]

Batt Schmacker Solar Tesla Switch

Hi All,

Here's a sneak peek of where Bit's and I are up to with the Tesla Switch we've been working on. This video shows the Tesla Switch in solar mode and the difference between regular solar charging and Tesla Switch charging.

The PIC fully automates the charging sequence and is able to charge up 4 batteries, whilst tracking the solar input to determine the best charging mode.

This is an amazing charger that not only makes the best use of the solar panel, but also rejuvenates the batteries at the same time.

YouTube - Batt Schmacker Solar TS

A full demonstration of all the functionality of the Batt Schmacker Tesla Switch will be held at the Renaissance Free Energy Conference in July.

Renaissance Charge July 2011 Free Energy Conference

Thanks again to Bit's for all his help


John K.

[Farmhand]

Hi All,

Here's a sneak peek of where Bit's and I are up to with the Tesla Switch we've been working on. This video shows the Tesla Switch in solar mode and the difference between regular solar charging and Tesla Switch charging.

The PIC fully automates the charging sequence and is able to charge up 4 batteries, whilst tracking the solar input to determine the best charging mode.

This is an amazing charger that not only makes the best use of the solar panel, but also rejuvenates the batteries at the same time.

YouTube - Batt Schmacker Solar TS

A full demonstration of all the functionality of the Batt Schmacker Tesla Switch will be held at the Renaissance Free Energy Conference in July.

Renaissance Charge July 2011 Free Energy Conference

Thanks again to Bit's for all his help


John K.

G'day John, I was wondering if you could give us a breif explanation of how
your device utilises the "Tesla Switch Effect".

I saw on the video over 4 amps constant current from the "24 volt panel" on
a "12 volt battery", then I saw your device pulsing at about 4 amps to the
12 volt battery. Which seems like it would be a lot less energy seen as
current. Would that be correct ?

Considering it is working from a 200 watt 24 volt (source) probably 40 volts
open circuit. I don't find that all too spectacular, looks like a solar cap pulser
to me.

Anyway what exactly does it have to do with a "Tesla Switch" as such ?

I only ask because if you are going to call something a "Tesla Switch" and
market it as such, it should have something in common with a "Tesla Switch"
at least.

I'm not trying to be dismissive or anything, I just don't get it.

If it is not intended for market could you give us a Schematic, so we can see
how it works please ? If so fair enough I won't complain.

Cheers

[John_K]

Batt Schmacker Solar Tesla Switch

G'day John, I was wondering if you could give us a breif explanation of how
your device utilises the "Tesla Switch Effect".

I saw on the video over 4 amps constant current from the "24 volt panel" on
a "12 volt battery", then I saw your device pulsing at about 4 amps to the
12 volt battery. Which seems like it would be a lot less energy seen as
current. Would that be correct ?

Considering it is working from a 200 watt 24 volt (source) probably 40 volts
open circuit. I don't find that all too spectacular, looks like a solar cap pulser
to me.

Anyway what exactly does it have to do with a "Tesla Switch" as such ?

I only ask because if you are going to call something a "Tesla Switch" and
market it as such, it should have something in common with a "Tesla Switch"
at least.

I'm not trying to be dismissive or anything, I just don't get it.

If it is not intended for market could you give us a Schematic, so we can see
how it works please ? If so fair enough I won't complain.

Cheers

Hi Farmhand,

Good questions. The Tesla Switch concept is based on differential potentials, which is the same way our device works.

A 6 minute video is not going to give you a full understanding of what this device is doing to the batteries, as opposed to connecting a panel directly up to a battery.

To get a full understanding of how it works and the full functionality I recommend you attend the Renaissance July 2011 Free Energy Conference, where a full presentation will be made and the chance for everybody to ask any questions.

There are no plans at this stage to release the schematic to the public, however I will say that everything that is in the Batt Schmacker Solar Tesla Switch has been discussed on this thread over the past year or more.


John K.

[Farmhand]

Ok John, No probs, I think The "Tesla Switch Principal" is a bit more involved
than that. A single 12v battery has a differential of potentials, one at about
12 volts or a bit more and one about 0 volt's.

I do agree that pulse charging batteries is better than pure DC, but I fail to
see how any cap pulser with the same capacitance and discharge
characteristic's would not do the very same thing.

Anyway not to worry.

Thank you
Andrew

[John_K]

Batt Schmacker Solar Tesla Switch

Ok John, No probs, I think The "Tesla Switch Principal" is a bit more involved
than that. A single 12v battery has a differential of potentials, one at about
12 volts or a bit more and one about 0 volt's.

I do agree that pulse charging batteries is better than pure DC, but I fail to
see how any cap pulser with the same capacitance and discharge
characteristic's would not do the very same thing.

Anyway not to worry.

Thank you
Andrew

Hi Andrew,

It depends on your point of reference. In your 12V battery example, there can also be a differential potential at -12V and 0V. My point is that "common ground" does not have to be a 0V.

Perhaps the first diagram on this page will explain it better.

THE TESLA SWITCH


John K.

[Mark]

Seems like your loosing about half of the power. 4 amps constant charging or 3.5 amps pulsed. Why not just switch the the constant charge between 2 batteries?

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Seems like your loosing about half of the power. 4 amps constant charging or 3.5 amps pulsed. Why not just switch the the constant charge between 2 batteries?

Hi guy's, one thing John was trying to illustrate demostrating the "1" solar panel just charging "1" batt, was the ineffeciencies. The TS is hooked up to "4" batts and what was not shown is the actual draw on the solar panel. With the "1" batt hookup, you seen the amp draw of over 4 amps just to "1 batt". When the TS is hooked up, the draw is an avg. of 700ma, but the pulse amps to the batts are from 2.5 - 3 amps. Think of how many TS's, while servicing "4" batts each you can connect to just "1" panel. As John said, it is hard to show everything in a 5 min. vid. What is left to be shown is the different modes of this switch. You seen the first one which is the charging in "full" sun. The other modes are "charge in low sun", "self charge", "loading" and "logging" which are all automated. Getting back to the vid, if the "1" batt was left on the solar panel all day and in full sun, by the end of the day, that batt would have been cooked. We of course would not let that happen so we would have to manually monitor it and disconnect it at the time of full charge. Of course you could put other charge controllers in this setup to do "dump" loads in order to save the batts, but just how many batts can be service? Point is, this TS does it all automatically for you while extracting every joule of energy out of "1" solar panel. We will be showing more on this shortly.

Thanks

Bit's

[blackchisel97]

@Bit's and John K.
Thank you guys for update. Great job as always


Vtech

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

If you're only using 700ma of the 4 amps output of the panel is there a way to use the other 3.3 amps of output while using the TS? Is there an excess power output connection on the TS or do you just parallel in something else?

So if you hooked a 12 watt panel up instead of the 200 watt panel that was showed the output would be identical in that particular setting?

Will these units be for sale soon and can you give me a guestimate on the price?

Thanks Mark, yes we are working very hard to have them available for sale at the conference. You could use a smaller 24V solar panel. The TS switch John showed is a 48V version being power off of the 24V solar panel. We will also have a 24V version. The TS has a 10 amp relay to provide output. This is done by presing a switch which disrupts any charging mode. It also monitors the system voltage and will disconnect the load so the batts will not run down to nothing when the level reaches a pre-determined setting. When the load is disconnected then the TS will select the right charging mode based on full sun, low sun or self charging. Still trying to work out the details on the price.


Thanks

Bit's

[Mark]

You should show that in the video. Show the panel charging the battery with 4 amps and then hook up the TS before the meter to show how much it uses (or add in another meter to show both draws).

Some how you need to explain the amp draw of the TS in the video otherwise it looks like your loosing the effeciency of your panel.

[Farmhand]

Hi Andrew,

It depends on your point of reference. In your 12V battery example, there can also be a differential potential at -12V and 0V. My point is that "common ground" does not have to be a 0V.

Perhaps the first diagram on this page will explain it better.

THE TESLA SWITCH


John K.

Well I didn't ask what the "Tesla Switch" princupal is, I asked how your device qualifies to be one. Iv'e already looked at many diagrams. I think i have a reasonable idea.

[Farmhand]

I don't think it's normal practice to just connect a 24 volt panel to a 12 volt battery, trying to charge a 12 volt battery from a 24 volt solar panel is not a good comparison. The solar panel is capable of 8 amps at 24 volts you could do a side by side comparison with a MPPT solar regulator, that would be interesting.

As far as using more of your device's to use more of the availiable power of the solar panel, I don't think that will work. I don't think it will work because it will pull down the working voltage below what you need to charge your series to paralell caps above 24 volts reliably.

Cheers

[John_K]

I don't think it's normal practice to just connect a 24 volt panel to a 12 volt battery, trying to charge a 12 volt battery from a 24 volt solar panel is not a good comparison. The solar panel is capable of 8 amps at 24 volts you could do a side by side comparison with a MPPT solar regulator, that would be interesting.

As far as using more of your device's to use more of the availiable power of the solar panel, I don't think that will work. I don't think it will work because it will pull down the working voltage below what you need to charge your series to paralell caps above 24 volts reliably.

Cheers

Hi Andrew,

You're absolutely correct, it is not normal practice to charge a 12V battery with a 24V panel. This is why people will tell you that you need more panels that you actually do need.

We are not using "normal" technology with this device.

BTW, here are the specs on the solar panel you see in the video:

ELECTRICAL
• Max Power: 200W
• Max Power Voltage: 38.5V
• Max Power Current: 5.19A
• Max System Voltage: 1000V
• Temperature range: -40C to +85C

According to the specs, the maximum output current is 5.19A. Realistically, in full sun as you saw on the video, I was getting 4.21A. The losses in the 10 metres or so of cable probably account for the other ~1A,

The device, as Bit's explained, is periodically checking the available power output from the panel and automatically selecting the best charging rate to get the most out of the panel. This is comparable to MPPT technology and IMO probably better that what is on the market today. While I am typing this I am watching the device go from "Charge Full Sun" mode to "Charge Low Sun" mode and back again as it is 10:00am on a cloudy day.

I have to disagree with you that it won't work this way. I have been testing this device for months, as has Bit's and it does work. I am seeing it with my own eyes. Not only does it work, but it works better than we expected it would.

What other device do you know of will allow you to charge 4 12V batteries from 1 24V solar panel and also allow you to run a 48V load, whilst at the same time extending the life of your batteries?

Andrew, thanks for your questions. I hope that my answers give you more of an insight to how the technology works. We are stepping outside of the boundaries of what is considered to be "conventional".


John K.

[Farmhand]

Hi Andrew,

You're absolutely correct, it is not normal practice to charge a 12V battery with a 24V panel. This is why people will tell you that you need more panels that you actually do need.

We are not using "normal" technology with this device.

BTW, here are the specs on the solar panel you see in the video:

ELECTRICAL
• Max Power: 200W
• Max Power Voltage: 38.5V
• Max Power Current: 5.19A
• Max System Voltage: 1000V
• Temperature range: -40C to +85C

According to the specs, the maximum output current is 5.19A. Realistically, in full sun as you saw on the video, I was getting 4.21A. The losses in the 10 metres or so of cable probably account for the other ~1A,

The device, as Bit's explained, is periodically checking the available power output from the panel and automatically selecting the best charging rate to get the most out of the panel. This is comparable to MPPT technology and IMO probably better that what is on the market today. While I am typing this I am watching the device go from "Charge Full Sun" mode to "Charge Low Sun" mode and back again as it is 10:00am on a cloudy day.

I have to disagree with you that it won't work this way. I have been testing this device for months, as has Bit's and it does work. I am seeing it with my own eyes. Not only does it work, but it works better than we expected it would.

What other device do you know of will allow you to charge 4 12V batteries from 1 24V solar panel and also allow you to run a 48V load, whilst at the same time extending the life of your batteries?

Andrew, thanks for your questions. I hope that my answers give you more of an insight to how the technology works. We are stepping outside of the boundaries of what is considered to be "conventional".


John K.

Yes that panel is rated at 5.19 Amps at 38.5 volts. Which means it is capable of providing 8.3 amps or so at 24 volts. Would that be correct ?

Yes it periodically checks the panel output and selects the best charging rate, that has nothing to do with a Tesla Switch that is a function of the promamming in the micro, I imagine.

So have you tested multiple devices from one panel at the same time ?

You said

What other device do you know of will allow you to charge 4 12V batteries from 1 24V solar panel and also allow you to run a 48V load, whilst at the same time extending the life of your batteries?

I say that if the batteries are charged one at a time almost any solar controller could do it with the correct control circuit.

Are you able to charge all four batteries at once from a 24 volt solar panel with one device while running a 48 volt load from the same batteries ?

And is is safe to run any 48 volt compatable load while pulse charge the batteries like that ?

Or are you charging one battery at a time ?

You also said

Andrew, thanks for your questions. I hope that my answers give you more of an insight to how the technology works. We are stepping outside of the boundaries of what is considered to be "conventional".

Sounds like sale's talk. It is difficult to get insight into how the technology works if nobody will tell us. Does that statement mean you won't answer any more of my questions.


Cheers