Use for the Tesla Switch

[ashtweth]

Hi Dave, nvisser , Matt and ALL. Guys can some one send me the new lay out and files? ill update the panacea uni doc for all. ashtweth@gmail.com

Ash

[lamare]

The other problem I see is how are you going to control your on time of the mosfets? The way a transformer works is that during the rise time of current on the primary you get a current flowing in the secondary. As soon as the current on the primary reaches its peak then current stops flowing in the secondary. This is only going to give you a few milliseconds of on time for the mosfets and therefore I don't think you can get the 50/50 duty cycle you need for the proper operation of a tesla switch. A circuit very similar to this was posted a few months ago and I don't think that person ever posted back with any results on whether they got it to work or not. Maybe they will read this and let us know how it turned out. Good luck, citfta

Maybe it's an idea to use a high frequency oscillator and modulate that signal to get the duty cycle you want?

There's multiple ways to do that, but the idea is to feed the primary coil with a HF signal during "on" and with 0V during "off".

Then all you need is a rectifier (and probably a low pass filter with an appropriate, short RC time) at the secondary coils, and you can get any duty cycle you want. The only limit you get is that the rise- and fall-times depend on the HF frequency (and filter) you use.

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Dave, nvisser , Matt and ALL. Guys can some one send me the new lay out and files? ill update the panacea uni doc for all.

I am still testing, specific parts for the best combination. I don't want to publish the general schematic (Outside of in this thread) until I can ensure good running, at low cost, with some simplicity. I'm finding some things in different parts (relays mostly) they get kinda funny.

When I got one thats solid though, I'll get it out to you.

I will try to find it again

I would appriciate that. I'm interested in that. I have found that in a couple setup they show no potential on the meter but still run pretty well.

Matt

[nvisser]

Where is that reported?
Matt

Look at this document page 20 under cold fusion.
http://www.byronwine.com/files/plans.pdf
Unfortunately I cannot copy and paste from this pdf

I think Bearden also talks about it where he discussed the bedini FEG and said that is why they stole the Watson FEG batteries to test them to see if it just absorbs electron current for a few days without charging. That way they would be sure that it was a free energy machine

I also had a email from a guy that did experiments with Ron Brandt. Go and read post #163 on this thread(use for tesla switch) PAGE 6
His name is Rhett and he did answer some questions
You will find his details there on this forum
David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #108 on: May 22, 2008, 01:31:01 PM

[nvisser]

RON Brandt

I will paste that post from Rhet again:

I found this on the David Bowling continuous charging device thread

Re: David Bowling's Continuous Charging Device
« Reply #108 on: May 22, 2008, 01:31:01 PM »
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Back in 1992 or 1991 Ron Brandt spent a few weeks with me and we ran his transistor switched circut using 4 batteries 6 transistors and a few other components. we uses a signal generator to adjust the switching freq for maximum output to the load. we used 4 car headlights for the load on the switching unit and 1 on each of the baseline batteries. we had 2 extra batteries we used as baselines. to start off we charged all batteries using an astron 50 amp powersupply. all batteries were new.

We measured the SG of the electrolite and also the battery voltage 4 hours after charging before we began testing. each of the baseline batteries with 1 headlight attached lasted I believe 7 hours before reaching 7 volts, our cutoff point. the 4 batteries being switched ran for 73 hours before reaching the 7 volt mark.
We would check the frequency every hour or so longer intervals at night maybe 4 hours to keep it at maximum output to the load. somewhere around 900 to 1100 Hz if i remember correctly.

after the first test all batteries were recharged with the power supply and we calculated the total recharge power we used to get the sg and voltage back to where we started. the 4 switching batteries required the same recharge time as the baseline batteries to reach our full charge state.

the second and 3rd test seemed to go about the same. but on the 4th test when trying to recharge the 4 switching batteries something strange happend. the 4 switching batteries had 50 amps at 15 volts pumping into them but no bubbles, the battery temp was below room temp, and nothing was going on other than my powersupply getting a good workout. it stayed like this for over 3 days then all at once it started to bubble and the recharge cycle began and the battery came back to life. This happened to all 4 batteries. we ran the test again pretty much same results and again the batteries would not recharge for 3 days. we stopped after this as it was taking way to long and we had lost all the net gain we had achieved in the first tests.

Ron told me that when he was running his electric car his neighbors car had a bad battery and he removed one from his electric car and gave it to them. the alternator on the neighbors car went up in smoke after an hour of driving. it was more than likely running at full field trying to charge the battery.


We did not use a motor and i believe that is the secret to getting it to self charge. Ron told me he ran his car for months without charging the batteries.

He also told me a strange story that after running the car for a few hours when setting at a stop light the other cars around him all stopped running. he called it some sort of energy field he thought it was creating. he also told me that his neighbor could not get out of her mobile home one day when he had the motor running and the car in idle for a few hours in is driveway, she yelled for help and when he went to help her it was like walking through air as thick as sand and it took almost all his energy to get to her.

after that he stopped the project to think about what was happening.

It will be interesting if anyone else will have the same battery non charging event happen to them.

Rhett

[Matthew Jones]

I read the Brandt thing some time ago. But I haven't read the PDF.

Most of the time I don't pay much attention to the stories people write down. Experiences and what not, unless it comes with some sort of test data.

I have been trying to keep my eye open for a published report or data that shows somthing along that line, but so far...

I have had some far out stuff happen while running one switch setup imparticular. I have seen new batteries in a pack (AA, AAA, 9v) sucked dry. 0 volts. Meters get cooked inside while they are off. Lights flickering in the room. The setup is in a box out in the garage for the time being.
Funny stuff...

Thanks
Matt

[nvisser]

Lights flickering in the room. The setup is in a box out in the garage for the time being.
Funny stuff...Thanks
Matt

A friend of mine had the same experience with his bob boyce pic Pwm ,toroid and 101 plate water fuel cell. House lights dimmed a few times as if his setup was sucking the energy out of everything and then the board went up in smoke. He calls it avalance.
As you already build a few working replications can you give a quick report on my previous questions
Did the batteries charge themselfs while driving a load or did you just got much more life out of your batteries?
Again if you look at why Ron Brandt stopped his project, is this thing save if it works?
That is why I want Dave to give us some input to

[Matthew Jones]

Again if you look at why Ron Brandt stopped his project, is this thing save if it works?

"...SAFE if it works" is that what you meant to say?.

I think its safe, but if the problems are caused from the device, (and I am not ready to say they are for sure without more testing), It will need to be isolated. How I don't know. I also believe the load (Motor) that is used in it could be part of the answer to why.

My biggest hope with it is to turn a motor that will in turn, turn an AC generator. Simple home based power supply.

I have not had batteries stay charged while maintianing a load. I have on the other hand had a load run 20+- times longer wired this way. I have loads that drain the battery to 10 volts or less but continue to run, as expected. The batterries also snap back quikly to standing charge. If let alone for while they recieve a standard charge as expected. I have had loads that will drian the batterries quiker than they would under convetional.

I don't concentrate on the funny whoodoo magic of it all. I simply want to look at the conservation of energy principle it displays.
If high speeds cause a problem I will slow them down. There has to be a point in which the device as built will act as expected, without any consiquence. I still want to go faster though and see what happens.

But that why I keep building them. I want to see the outcome of different setups. Different componets. Different loads.

Who knows whats possible unless they try..

Matt

[nilrehob]

Hob

Lets look at this in Normal circuit way to start with so it is not so confusing...

1st in order to "Charge " a battery you need a Higher Potential to feed it with.

With the 4 battery set up you will have the 2 supp;y batteries in series to give you a 24v Difference of Potential. Now the Load for this is actually divided between the 12v Device(Light, motor etc) AND the 2 12v batteries in parallel giving you the By the book net 0 at the Source batteries return.

So what is happening is as the Motor or what ever you are running is pulling electrons through the circuit scrubbing off 1/2 the potential the 2 parallel batteries "being technically Backwards" get the other 1/2 of the potential run through them in a Charge state.
Then when you reverse the circuit the now charged parallel batteries become the Series supply batteries and the electron charge is sent back through the system to re-charge the other set of batts AND do work on the way.

Hope this helps explain the Basics of the circuit

Dave

Yes, I understand.

But if 1C (coulomb) is leaving each battery in series,
loosing 2C in total,
only 1C is being recollected by the batteries in parallel,
1/2C going to each battery.
So 1C is lost anyway,
just as if you used 1 battery.

/Hob

[nilrehob]

Anyway,

I did a simplified TS the other day,
not sure what to look for when tuning it though.

/Hob

[Matthew Jones]

not sure what to look for when tuning it though.

Run the load convetional, let the batteries rest,measure a voltage drop and amperage flow, run the load on the switch the same amount of time, Rest and record. Measure each battery individually in both scenerio's.

Thats about the best test i've been able come up with with out testing the batterries directly.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

But if 1C (coulomb) is leaving each battery in series,
loosing 2C in total,
only 1C is being recollected by the batteries in parallel,
1/2C going to each battery.
So 1C is lost anyway,
just as if you used 1 battery.

That only applies to capacitors in a closed loop system, a grounded system. It does not apply to an open loop, potential driven. In fact most of those rules they BRAIN WASHED YOU WITH don't apply.

Lots of things change when you drive between 2 potentials.

I don't quete understand that circiut but I have not seen a 2 switch setup that worked yet. If you want simple just wire up 2 batteries in series and 2 in parrallel. And run a load between them. Start measuring. Watts retained and work done.

Even if what you say is true. Well you ran the load and managed to capture 50% of the energy coming out of the load.

2C out of the discharge
1/2C in each charge battery
The light came on, the motor turned, the buzzer made noise....
Whats the work worth? And how much did it cost YOU to do it.

Hows that saying go "Free your mind and your a*s will follow..."

Matt

[sigzidfit]

nilrehob,

Interesting little circuit you have there.

I have no idea if there is anything to be learned from this but when I plugged it in (slightly modded) to the falstad circuit sim I got the wildest results I've ever seen! HAHA.

Peace
PJ

[nilrehob]

That only applies to capacitors in a closed loop system, a grounded system. It does not apply to an open loop, potential driven. In fact most of those rules they BRAIN WASHED YOU WITH don't apply.

Lots of things change when you drive between 2 potentials.

I don't quete understand that circiut but I have not seen a 2 switch setup that worked yet. If you want simple just wire up 2 batteries in series and 2 in parrallel. And run a load between them. Start measuring. Watts retained and work done.

Even if what you say is true. Well you ran the load and managed to capture 50% of the energy coming out of the load.

2C out of the discharge
1/2C in each charge battery
The light came on, the motor turned, the buzzer made noise....
Whats the work worth? And how much did it cost YOU to do it.

Hows that saying go "Free your mind and your a*s will follow..."

Matt

All am saying is that, conventionally, if the load is rectifying to dc, the circuit works just like a normal one-battery dc-system.

I'm searching for a mind-model to work with, one without too many unconventional buzzwords, haven't found it yet.

[nilrehob]

nilrehob,

Interesting little circuit you have there.

I have no idea if there is anything to be learned from this but when I plugged it in (slightly modded) to the falstad circuit sim I got the wildest results I've ever seen! HAHA.

Peace
PJ

Really? What happens?

The nice part is the two transistors, as they are making sure you can never have a short-circuit. You can utilize the technique on the standard TS as in the supplied circuit below.
This one i haven't built yet though, i need more wire...
But i'm pretty sure it will never short-circuit.

/hob