Use for the Tesla Switch

[nilrehob]

I still don't get it with the TS, whats the deal?
Isn't it just a complicated way of shuffling current back and forth?
The batteries in series is always loosing one charge each and the batteries in parallel is gaining half a charge each so there is a total loss of one charge for each turn, just as if using one battery.
Isn't the TS just an over-complicated inverter?

Why not do it as in the circuit below (there are other alternatives) which also looses one charge in each turn and then collects the spike, and spare us the complexity?
I really really don't get it, although building it was fun.

/Hob

(trigger-coil (or gen) in the middle, load-coil to the right)

[Matthew Jones]

You have to pull a load on it to see the difference. The bigger the better.

If 4 batt's ran that load (conventional) for 4 hours, then under your 50% EE rule the load under Tesla switch should only run 6 - 7 hours (logarithmic calculation).
The question is does it?

You have the switching covered. So you should give it try.

Matt

[nilrehob]

You have to pull a load on it to see the difference. The bigger the better.

If 4 batt's ran that load (conventional) for 4 hours, then under your 50% EE rule the load under Tesla switch should only run 6 - 7 hours (logarithmic calculation).
The question is does it?

You have the switching covered. So you should give it try.

Matt

Eventually, I guess, I will test it further,
for now I just wanted to see if I could do the switching properly,
I've got so many other circuits I want to try first that I (currently) find more interesting.

/Hob

[Matthew Jones]

A side note..

I am in the process of looking at the recollection of different loads, I have been doing this for some time now. Mostly to what works and what doesn't.

A friend of mine asked me about Hydrogen production and if it could be achieved in this manner in which only one pole of the battery is active.

Well the answer is yes according to my latest test.

2 aluminum plates in a jar of tap water separated to 1/8 inch gap (3.175 millimeters) plates are 1/8 inch thick.
I used a one way TS setup. Using the negative side of the battery. No modulation at all across the plates.
The test ran at 11 -12 volts of potential (potential at the bridge) between 4 hours. The current flowed at .19 - .21 amps in and out based on the reactions time.

The gas production which is not what I looked at but it was as good as hooking a conventional battery up, or better.

The charge collection was at 100%. As best I could measure.
Most likely this is do to the low current flow. But this defiantly shows
potential.

OH YA! Not sure if there should be any, but NO heat change at all.

Cheers
Matt

[Tehnoman]

[..]
OH YA! Not sure if there should be any, but NO heat change at all.

Cheers
Matt

Nice. Good results, so to say. About heat change - no heat change is good, better would be if electrolyte could cool (refrigerate) itself.

Wishing the best!

[Matthew Jones]

Ya but, that would be another energy source altogether.

The part thats funny is the fact that to do Hydrolysis you should loosing electrons, but it does not seem to be the case.

I'm gonna play with it further and see if a higher current will change things.

Matt

[nvisser]

Hi Matt
You wrote today: My Tesla Switch's are supplying power to do useful work, as high as 25x more than the same batteries wired conventional.
I think that is incredible. Is this one that switch with commutators. What type of load and how much current does it draw?
I finished Dave’s (Double D) circuit but am still busy testing it.
I must say it is a very rugged circuit and the output signal on the line output gives a perfect 50% duty cycle square wave with a bit of modification of the PWM.
First I have to determine how long the 4 batteries will drive my motor load and then connect it to the TS to see what happens!! Should I connect all 4 batteries in parralel to test?
Will normal sealed lead acid batteries work(gel?) or is it better to use automobile batteries?
Here is a photo of the circuit

[Matthew Jones]

Should I connect all 4 batteries in parallel to test?

Thats how get a baseline for testing.

I charge all the batteries to the same voltage. Then discharge them some in parallel with a load I am familiar with (An inverter and a lamp). 24 hours of rest. Usually try to hit a good round number like 13.00 volt. I keep them in parallel at rest.
Then I discharge the batteries with my test load while measuring amperage, with all 4 batteries (or whatever combination I use) till 12.00 volt under load Which with the batteries I use will end them around 12.2 +-. I do that 4 times.
I figure that into joules to alot for for time and average it over the 4 runs.

Then I run the switch setup I am testing at the time under the same load. I watch for the same things. Batteries going from 13.00 volt to 12.00 volt under load while measuring amperage. Then I stop the test rest for 24 hours or more in some cases just depends on the batteries activity on the meter. (IS popping up and down still)

Then you can make an assumption of the equation. (Just an example)
In 12 hours I ran 10,000 joules of energy from my batteries conventional.
In 25 days I ran 10,000 +- joules while under the Tesla switch.
My output is 50x more. At this point...

But this is not definitive enough. You would actually have to measure the true output of the load. Light with a lumans meter. Motor with a Dino ect...

A 1hp dc PM motor under standard windings, (North on top South on bottom, attraction or repulsion on each stroke) for example. Will not output 1 hp under the Tesla switch. In fact it may be as low as 3/8 HP depending on the motor.
This is key to an accurate measurement.
Conventional motors are wound and work on the basis that both poles of the battery are connected. Therefore 1 wire can induce both polarities onto the rotor (N,S). But when only one pole of the battery is driving the entire motor 1/2 the motor has no effective torque.

It is just a counter EMF generator and a winding thats steps up voltage.

Half of the counter emf produced will flow out in the open loop and add potential, the other half won't. It will flow back to the highest potential and dissipate the source charge (ie the battery in highest potential).

Depending on different variable in your system and its timing this is the deciding factor for time your system will run.

With an inductive load you can create an opposite charge on the wire.

I'm not gonna go into depth on how I can go alot further than I used to when I started. But I will tell ya, all is not lost from these opposites.
The correct pattern in your motor combined with the correct pattern for switching and a little Shuttling of Potentials at the right time can go along way. Basically my motor is the driver for the switching. The coils still produce counter EMF and in fact produce alot. But this counter EMF is more like the EMF I am putting into the system. Its want to flow with what I am putting in, instead of against it. So whats happened is I force the loads counter EMF (It should now be called generated EMF) to fall in Series with the Higher potential batteries. This has gone along way.

Now if I can get it to work on a larger system. One that produces torque, and not go broke (-$$-) in the process. Well you get the picture....

Will normal sealed lead acid batteries work(gel?) or is it better to use automobile batteries?

Small batterries and big loads... Thats the ticket.

Cheers
Matt

[nvisser]

I understand how to extract the "reactive power" from a ssg type motor and also understand how to feed it back to the batteries of a TS, But how do you extract that spikes from a normal dc motor?
I am not sure what type of motor I got. You can see it on the photo I posted. It is a 40v motor from some old printer but it runs 850rpm on 12 Vand draws around 350mA with no load.
Printed on the sticker:40V, 3300rpm, In 1.9A
It generates voltage like a generator when I connected a voltmeter to it and spin it.
I tried to extract voltage from it the same way as in ssg with a diode , but i did not work

[Matthew Jones]

A motor with that slow of an RPM may just pull in to the magnets or is stepper motor. (I haven't ever used a stepper) The best way to tell is to either search for detail on the motor, which if its Chinese or something hang that up.
Or just open it if you can. Most have screws or the casing has press clips, little folding tabs. You can look at the rotor and brush position to kinda determine how the thing works.

You can run your motor on 1/2 Tesla switch. (2 batts in series, feeding 2 batts parallel, with a bridge in the middle). Hook a scope up at the " - " Neg side of the bridge and watch the wave form. A motor that puts out a nice sine-wave like AC. It a good motor. If the wave form has alot of ups and downs and ripples, that the worst. You'll have to get feel feel for it.

The problem in a standard motor is like I said before, one pole will not work.
If you use it you'll have to watch your amp draw and just keep the numbers straight. Test the torque on the rotors and give it your best estimate.

You can build a motor. The ideal motor will have the same pole both top and bottom. 2 south poles is best for ground side run on the TS. The coils in the rotor are large wire small amount if turns. Coiled to the North.
When charged they will pull into the magnets. Both at the same time, but independent of each other.

How is that thing running? Is it a pretty solid circiut?. Do have AC poterntial between the 2 poles of the battery?
Its pretty far above my head, thats why I am curious. I have never been able to get anything that detailed to work before. I was wondering how it acted when it ran. And of you could actually get a load pulled off the batterries.

Matt

[John_Bedini]

Tesla Switch

Nali2001,
I do not comment much on the Tesla Switch. However now there is so much discussion on this device I will state the facts.
Ronald Brandt did not invent the switch as he just was trying to figure out what the circuit was that was powering his electric car and why it kept blowing up. He sent me a block diagram of what he thought the circuit was. I built the original solid state circuit using driver transformers for amplifiers. I never had a full discussion with Peter on the switch, I only answered a few questions as I was told to keep my mouth shut as it was real trouble with Ford Aerospace if you know what I mean. The box was running great the whole time until I let a Ford engineer open the box in Sylmar California, I just walked out of the room for a few seconds. When I came back the box was cut apart and a transformer was damaged. The engineer look at me and said I told you it didn't work and you should shut up, nasty guy. What they did not say is they were using it, found this out later.

I will say if you all tried to reproduce it from the diagram floating around that is in the book it could fail because the original diagram has been changed. I made a video of this device soon to be released. I only did this at the request of Tom Bearden. I also will let Rick sell a kit after I know who you are, that includes everybody. I named this device the Tesla Switch for the simple reason that Tesla did do something like this with the four batteries in his mixture sub with robotics. Tesla circuits are negative circuits, after his AC motors. I have corrected the errors and will be posting soon on what you can do with it. When the circuit is built correct it will power loads and charge the batteries.
John Bedini

[John_Bedini]

Tesla Switch

Nali2001,
I do not comment much on the Tesla Switch. However now there is so much discussion on this device I will state the facts.
Ronald Brandt did not invent the switch as he just was trying to figure out what the circuit was that was powering his electric car and why it kept blowing up. He sent me a block diagram of what he thought the circuit was. I built the original solid state circuit using driver transformers for amplifiers. I never had a full discussion with Peter on the switch, I only answered a few questions as I was told to keep my mouth shut as it was real trouble with Ford Aerospace if you know what I mean. The box was running great the whole time until I let a engineer open the box in Sylmar California, I just walked out of the room for a few seconds. When I came back the box was cut apart and a transformer was damaged. The engineer looked at me and said I told you it didn't work and you should shut up, nasty guy. What they did not say is they were using it, found this out later.

I will say if you all tried to reproduce it from the diagram floating around that is in the book it could fail because the original diagram has been changed. I made a video of this device soon to be released. I only did this at the request of Tom Bearden. I also will let Rick sell a kit after I know who you are, that includes everybody. I named this device the Tesla Switch for the simple reason that Tesla did do something like this with the four batteries in his mixture sub with robotics. Tesla circuits are negative circuits, after his AC motors. I have corrected the errors and will be posting soon on what you can do with it. When the circuit is built correct it will power loads and charge the batteries from the negative end of the batteries.
John Bedini

Dear Peter,
Since you and Bedini have history you might know a thing or two about the 'Tesla Switch' and alike systems. I think these systems might be a good addition for these No-back emf motor designs especially since they can be driven like dc low ohmic induction loads. Not much input is lost in the form of heat and such.

For those who do not know what I am talking about read:
THE TESLA SWITCH
And
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D3.pdf
Start at page 25 (to 36)

So this post is kind of a double post. On the one hand I see the Tesla Switch having huge advantages, but on the other hand, except for the Bedini page there is no real info to be found anywhere about this system... Why? well Peter what is your take on the Tesla Switch, and in case Bedini is reading this, please feel free to jump in.

Thanks!
Steven

[nvisser]

Hallelujah!!

[morpher44]

Tesla Switch Replications

I named this device the Tesla Switch for the simple reason that Tesla did do something like this with the four batteries in his mixture sub with robotics. Tesla circuits are negative circuits, after his AC motors. I have corrected the errors and will be posting soon on what you can do with it. When the circuit is built correct it will power loads and charge the batteries from the negative end of the batteries.
John Bedini

@John_Bedini

This is very exciting. I look forward to seeing a schematic on this
if your willing to post that. I'm sure many of us would love
to try to replicate and refine a Tesla Switch.

I wonder if anyone has given any thought to improving batteries
themselves so that they lend themselves to a sort of
AC deployment ... rather than DC?

In other words, the chemistry could be optimized to enable
a true symmetrical ionic flow between two plates.
In such a battery, there wouldn't be a negative and positive
plate any longer. Rather, that sort of battery would
work best in a Tesla Switch circuit ... were charging and
discharging occur ... as would be the case with a capacitor ...
but with ionic chemistry involved inside.
We would probably need a pretty clever chemist to work
out the chemical transformations.
Such a battery wouldn't have a cathod and anode ...
but instead would have an internal structure that would
allow for polarity reversals -- electro-ionicly.

I don't even know if such a thing is in the realm of possibility ...
and my knowledge of basic chemistry is long forgotten.
Sometimes it takes a complete layman to suggest
and out-of-the-box idea like this.

[Inquorate]

woah

Nali2001,
I do not comment much on the Tesla Switch. However now there is so much discussion on this device I will state the facts.
Ronald Brandt did not invent the switch as he just was trying to figure out what the circuit was that was powering his electric car and why it kept blowing up. He sent me a block diagram of what he thought the circuit was. I built the original solid state circuit using driver transformers for amplifiers. I never had a full discussion with Peter on the switch, I only answered a few questions as I was told to keep my mouth shut as it was real trouble with Ford Aerospace if you know what I mean. The box was running great the whole time until I let a Ford engineer open the box in Sylmar California, I just walked out of the room for a few seconds. When I came back the box was cut apart and a transformer was damaged. The engineer look at me and said I told you it didn't work and you should shut up, nasty guy. What they did not say is they were using it, found this out later.

I will say if you all tried to reproduce it from the diagram floating around that is in the book it could fail because the original diagram has been changed. I made a video of this device soon to be released. I only did this at the request of Tom Bearden. I also will let Rick sell a kit after I know who you are, that includes everybody. I named this device the Tesla Switch for the simple reason that Tesla did do something like this with the four batteries in his mixture sub with robotics. Tesla circuits are negative circuits, after his AC motors. I have corrected the errors and will be posting soon on what you can do with it. When the circuit is built correct it will power loads and charge the batteries.
John Bedini

reading the above was quite a jaw dropping moment.

Especially as I'm finally working on the switch.

Way cool