Use for the Tesla Switch

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Are Led`s 3 and 4 normal small leds?
To some of us this code means nothing
Can you give as the pulse rate and duty cycle you are running this on?

Vissie, the LEDs at 3 and 4 are just the small size. For the code, here is the scoope;
In basic code, the program reads line by line, thus I will explain the code line by line and put my comments in ()

Start: (this just is the begining)

SYMBOL ChargeSense = W1 '###### Reserves buffer for ChargeSense Value
SYMBOL BattLVLSense = W2 '##### Reserves buffer for BattLVLSense Value
SYMBOL TotalCompare = W3 '# Reserves buffer for TotalCompare

(the above is allocating buffer space in the chip to reserve room for variable values)

Main:
(this is the start of the routine that is read until the end of the program or a goto Main command is encountered)

pause 200
(i am pausing here to balance the program. The last line being read before the goto Main is Pin 6, 5 being told to go low (0 volts) and because the routine will just loop right back to the next line, which is to turn Pin's 4 and 7 high)

high 4, 7
(I am turning Pins 4 and 7 high (5 volts) which will fire Q1 and Q9. Q1 puts Batts 1 and 3 in series and Q9 opens up)

pause 150
(now that I have Q1 turned on, I am just keeping him on for 150 milli seconds)

low 4, 7
(I am now turning off Q1 and closing Q9)

pause 100
(this is another pause of 100 milli seconds, AKA "Deadtime")

high 6, 5
(I am now turning on Q2 and opening Q10)

pause 150
(now that I have Q2 turned on, I am just keeping him on for 150 milli seconds)

low 6, 5
(I am now turning off Q2 and closing Q10)

goto Main
(This returns me right back up to Main: an starts the process over and over and over---well you get the idea.

The adjustments that you guy's make with the Caps and resistors on the 3524for the frequency, I make with the "pause" command. For fine tuning the load I make with the tranny's "On time". This is kind of long winded, but I wanted you to understand the basics of "Basic".

Hope this helps.

Bit's

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

More D-TS results

Here are more results;

YouTube - TS Test 5.MPG

Bit's

[Helijason]

Are Led`s 3 and 4 normal small leds?
To some of us this code means nothing
Can you give as the pulse rate and duty cycle you are running this on?
This looks to me like very short pulses and long dead times and they are different every time?
pause 200
high 4, 7
pause 150
low 4, 7
pause 100
high 6, 5
pause 150
low 6, 5

The pause command is in milliseconds. pause 200 is a pause for 0.2 seconds. high/low turns 1 or more pins on or off. high 4, 7 is turns pins 4 and 7 on.

Visually this becomes the attached bit map.

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

The pause command is in milliseconds. pause 200 is a pause for 0.2 seconds. high/low turns 1 or more pins on or off. high 4, 7 is turns pins 4 and 7 on.

Visually this becomes the attached bit map.

Nice visual Jason.

[Matthew Jones]

Matthew,
What I was referring to was that the smaller caps usually have lesser resistance to dis-/-charge offering a more abrupt (albeit smaller) shock to the battery?
I think the fruit is in this direction?
We need get more charge going back and froth?

Ya i understood, and I agree. I am putting together 1uf bank to try. But I still think there is a catch.
I do not think it is all in the simple transfer.
I gotta start packing, I got my house done so I am gonna get ready to move again, but once in I wanna test this "Going negative thing".

I can make it happen in mechanical switch's, but I always thought it was coil, and it might be. A combination might be needed.
Anyway the effect creates a something different. According to engineering and JL Naudin there is no power in it, But I believe it sets a virtual state. It creates an effect that makes the batteries potential look to be at or below zero. This would allow for a whole host of possibilities, including the one I described before. Your battery is no longer equal to the energy coming in, its now below. So you can have that rapid transfer and fool the battery into charging.
I know it sounds funny, and I am not sure why I am thinking along this line but I just have to look. There is more to it than we think. A simple transfer of positive energy is not enough, and like I said if it were to charge via the reverse Ion flow the battery would stay in a charge state well after the machine was shut off.

Cheers
Matt

[nvisser]

Bits
What are those batteries?
Do you have normal sla`s to see if they will charge?
Is it possible to post a scope shot on that negative pulse and tell us where you probe and where the scopes earth are connected?
I do not think that charging is possible without that huge negative pulse and as John said it is all in the device. So without using that expensive mjl transistor we are wasting time?
My supplier thought they had 2 of them and I ordered only to find out when they delivered that they had none!

[ldissing]

@ Leroy

I'm with you on the control freak aspect of things. I love being able to modify the behavior of the circuit on the fly. I've seen in industry (manufacturing) sometimes you need a lot of bells and whistles to understand what you have, then it can be made simplier.

I agree that using the pic pwm hardware is probably the way to go about normal switching. Though I do like the idea bit's proposed (leaving the switch on one way till a condition is met). So far my concern with what bit's is doing is how consistant is the programmed pwm. I'm afraid if there is too much additional code that it will not be consistent. Have you programmed pics with c before? How deterministic was the c code? The last time I programmed pics it was in assembly and have seen the trouble that one can get into. For example, I knew a guy that coded a serial port with code. He was constantly fighting loops and extra NOPs through out the code to get the timing reliable.

Jason

@Jason:

Arrived home last night, so could not reply until now. Most C compilers are pretty efficient, although, I have had to debug a few cases where the compiler just did not create the correct assembly language code. I can program in assembly too, so it should not be too bad. Just have to learn the PIC assembly language.

I haven't done too much with PICs, but I've worked on small processors before. The biggest issue a PIC with PWM can have is the granularity on timing/duty cycle, etc. That chip can operate a 20MHz, so I do not think it will be too big a deal getting the granularity that I need out of it, but I can program loops too if need be just to see what is happening if I can't get the PWM to slow down enough. The chip can be clocked much slower too, so I think it is workable, but I did order the board and it should be here tomorrow. I can have some fun with that for a while.

Think I might have packed up my device in which I etch boards. That will be a big drag, as that is what I wanted to do that today, only to get home last night and say....what happened to it. I'll find it hopefully today....this morning I mean.

Leroy

[StevanC]

I posted the C20 charge rates the other day:

Did You notice the battery behaves like increasing impedance (floating above SoC) while topping off a carge cycle while actally having less impedance?

I'm still not "at home" with that, but i suspect it has to do with our little TS adventure:

We take "twice the current" and then return it as "twice the voltage" efficently converting what the battery "gives more likely" to what it "takes more easy"?

I'm reffering here to the 2 cap single battery switch (Ron Cole "SC").

And I still don't like how much curent i get with "dead short" (=no load) of a load?

Maybe I need to get some MJL (or NJW) instead of those TIP35C (BD249) I use ?


It also puzles me how we have resting voltages on the SoC diagram falling not in the middle of charge/discharge curves but actually biased towards the discharge curve. this indicates that the battery sustains the discharge more easy, right?

Stevan C.

[JANGYD]

Happy New Year!

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I wish You All 'Happy New Year!'.
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[blackchisel97]

I posted the C20 charge rates the other day:

Did You notice the battery behaves like increasing impedance (floating above SoC) while topping off a carge cycle while actally having less impedance?

I'm still not "at home" with that, but i suspect it has to do with our little TS adventure:

We take "twice the current" and then return it as "twice the voltage" efficently converting what the battery "gives more likely" to what it "takes more easy"?

I'm reffering here to the 2 cap single battery switch (Ron Cole "SC").

And I still don't like how much curent i get with "dead short" (=no load) of a load?

Maybe I need to get some MJL (or NJW) instead of those TIP35C (BD249) I use ?


It also puzles me how we have resting voltages on the SoC diagram falling not in the middle of charge/discharge curves but actually biased towards the discharge curve. this indicates that the battery sustains the discharge more easy, right?

Stevan C.

Deeper we dig, more questions arises
I'm tempted to get back to my dismantled TS but I'll not, until I get SC under control. If this device is meant to work and it has been built before than what the **** is that we're missing? I can't believe that all magic is in MJL alone. We have inductor and bulb across as a load. Bulb should serve a purpose so is the coil. If we expect to harvest spike of the coil and send to the battery then fine but are we aim for big one or just couple volts above the battery ( I'm looking for similarity with cap pulser). We gonna have spike both ways anyhow. What kind of coil will get us what we want? John Bedini suggested 1mH. Depending on the core, we can get that with 20T on small ferrite toroid. What is the purpose of light bulb? Tuning only or we should look at it as variable impedance and element which can amplify negative energy flow. Original SC had 15000uF caps. We went down to 470uF but why, what would happened if we keep them? How slow should we switch, keeping in mind capacitor charging/discharging times plus "dead time" in between. Am I the only one asking myself those questions?
Today I decided to change something. I grounded together oscillator, optos and battery negative. I lowered switching down to 1.2 c.p.s and I put two 10000uF caps. I don't have MJL (missed auction on 8 pieces for $15) and trying with MJE13005,TIP41,2N2222. As a load I used R60 core 2"x2" spool with 400T AWG#26. I have near 50% d.c with short dead in between. I noticed something different; at first battery appeared to loose and kept dropping from 12.00V down to 11.94 within 3-4 min. But then, it started to climb back all the way to 11.99. This took about 3min. Next, I put it grain bulb in series with coil (not parallel). I can see two pulses; one just makes filament glow but second makes bulb lit nearly full bright. Voltage over battery climbs and drops just like before but this time between 11.97 - 11.99V. This is something new. I'll keep tweaking with it. Just thought to share.


Vtech

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Here's a setup for you.

What kind of coil will get us what we want?

Vtech

Team, take a look at this setup;



YouTube - Test 6 - Car coil.MPG

Look to the far right of the trace and you can see the spike.

Bit's

[StevanC]

A. I saw one "self charging setup" using just 12-18 turns on a feritte core as a"choke" in line on one rail (i think it was positive)
B. I too have one pulse "glow" and one pulse "not really bright" (the back pulse IMHO) when i use 75000uF caps (3W bulb)
C. We miss JB guidance slowly here
D. the capacitors should be matching the load and both matching the batery I see now

happy new year

Stevan C.

[nvisser]

Happy new year to you all!!
May John be back soon

[blackchisel97]

All the best to everyone and I wish we all find what we're searching for in 2010


Vtech

[wwdotme]

3 Battery system question

How long do you leave the switch running before you rotate batteries?

Bill