Use for the Tesla Switch

[ldissing]

No that was an illusion. Probably the shadows. They weren't even on at max, just barley glowing. You are on the right track with the top circuits. This is the key!!!!! Once again "THIS IS THE KEY" Just like the SG, tune for the "Snap"

Bit's

Yep, that is what I think too. Now, my system is running, but my mind is racing. I'm wondering what would happen if both the serial transistors were turned on. NOW, turn on battery 1s top transistor and turn off 2&4s serial transistor simultaneously, or maybe just a 1us later than 1s top transistor. What would that do, I mean, it comes crashing down to 12V, but would it do even more in this scenario....? Would it go negative as the potential and charge (almost said current, sorry JB) rush in from the 24V side. Another interesting scenario to experiment with...so much to do.

I can change this stuff at will digitally, so it is REALLY NICE to control it in software. This chip runs at 20MHz, so I can time stuff like a good little boy.

One of the things that made me think about this was the code you posted. I'm guessing that it doesn't do some of those instruction simultaneously, so it was 1, then the other when you were turning stuff on/off. Perhaps that isn't true, but that is what caused me to try serializing the transistors with a small time delay. I'm sure 1us would have been enough, but boy, does it give me a kick on the output. I need to put some caps in there to see how much voltage is really available. I'm afraid I'll burn those little 12V bulbs up, they are so small.

Leroy

P.S. Thanks to you Bit's for posting the code and all. The slaves are breaking the shackles.....

[Plazma]

Take My Own Advice . . .

@Bits,@Leroy -

I'm seeing the same thing here with a 5 msec delay between switches on the A-side. Should have taken my own speculation more seriously as posted in posts #1341, 1342 ref setup times for settling at 24V - so old soon, so little smart late.

Thanks for all your help

Cheers,

Plasma

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

@Bits,@Leroy -

I'm seeing the same thing here with a 5 msec delay between switches on the A-side. Should have taken my own speculation more seriously as posted in posts #1341, 1342 ref setup times for settling at 24V - so old soon, so little smart late.

Thanks for all your help

Cheers,

Plasma

Good to hear Plaz,

Bit's

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Yep, that is what I think too. Now, my system is running, but my mind is racing. I'm wondering what would happen if both the serial transistors were turned on. NOW, turn on battery 1s top transistor and turn off 2&4s serial transistor simultaneously, or maybe just a 1us later than 1s top transistor. What would that do, I mean, it comes crashing down to 12V, but would it do even more in this scenario....? Would it go negative as the potential and charge (almost said current, sorry JB) rush in from the 24V side. Another interesting scenario to experiment with...so much to do.

I can change this stuff at will digitally, so it is REALLY NICE to control it in software. This chip runs at 20MHz, so I can time stuff like a good little boy.

One of the things that made me think about this was the code you posted. I'm guessing that it doesn't do some of those instruction simultaneously, so it was 1, then the other when you were turning stuff on/off. Perhaps that isn't true, but that is what caused me to try serializing the transistors with a small time delay. I'm sure 1us would have been enough, but boy, does it give me a kick on the output. I need to put some caps in there to see how much voltage is really available. I'm afraid I'll burn those little 12V bulbs up, they are so small.

Leroy

P.S. Thanks to you Bit's for posting the code and all. The slaves are breaking the shackles.....

Here Leroy, try this;

high 4
pause 1500
pulsout 7, 200
low 4
pause 100
high 6
pause 1500
pulsout 5, 200
low 6
pause 100


Bit's

[Inquorate]

whereabouts is the delay in the firing sequencing, for those of thus that aren't equipped to do it digitally? fingers crossed I can make time to build this weekend

[Redisnoc]

Bulbs

Thought this might help
to "pick a load"
Miniature Indicator Light Bulbs and Lamps | Shop 1000Bulbs.com

<edit>
click on a group and the spec page opens...volts and current and lifetime

Bits and Leroy great success stories.
Following, learning, but not on you guys
level...

keep going
R

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

whereabouts is the delay in the firing sequencing, for those of thus that aren't equipped to do it digitally? fingers crossed I can make time to build this weekend

Ok, Here is the sweet spot, taking a look at my schematic, the code turns Q1 on and keeps it on for some time and because Q9 will "act" as a dam (pressure, potential, voltage, emf and whatever else) builds up against it. Remember when we shorted diodes. This causes electrons to start flowing (a crafty way of saying current) this is the "charge" that goes into batts 2 and 4, then the code (Blows, Snaps) and breaks the Dam. Then we allow the other side to do the same.


Bit's

[Inquorate]

Ok, Here is the sweet spot, taking a look at my schematic, the code turns Q1 on and keeps it on for some time and because Q9 will "act" as a dam (pressure, potential, voltage, emf and whatever else) builds up against it. Remember when we shorted diodes. This causes electrons to start flowing (a crafty way of saying current) this is the "charge" that goes into batts 2 and 4, then the code (Blows, Snaps) and breaks the Dam. Then we allow the other side to do the same.


Bit's

Sort of like when the charge meets a coil, and the 'back emf' or lenz effect thingy resists the flow of current and the voltage rushes ahead of the current?

YouTube - explaining my current line of experimentation

Spike - Vox

And then when power is cut off, the inertial properties of the electron's aether continues to supply charge, hence the need for another pause before reversing the direction of the potential.

I should have time to work on it this weekend, wish me luck

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Sort of like when the charge meets a coil, and the 'back emf' or lenz effect thingy resists the flow of current and the voltage rushes ahead of the current?

YouTube - explaining my current line of experimentation

Spike - Vox

And then when power is cut off, the inertial properties of the electron's aether continues to supply charge, hence the need for another pause before reversing the direction of the potential.

I should have time to work on it this weekend, wish me luck

You'll get it Inq, I have the utmost confidence in your abilities.

Bit's

[hherby]

Hi Bit's,

I'm looking at your schematic and this is not making sense to me.
Out 7 controls Q9 but it is Q10 that connects left side battery's in serial to parallel batteries on the right side. I'm not sure what the PNP's are doing the way they are biased. I will put comments next to your code. Please clarify/correct my comments if they are wrong.

State of OUT 5 = low - Q10, is it on or off??? 
State of OUT 7 = low - Q9, is it on or off??? 

high 4     turn on Q1 - put bat 1 and 3 in series
pause 1500   pause 1500ms
pulsout 7, 200   raise OUT 7 for 200ms - is it turning Q9 on or off??? 
low 4    turn off Q1
pause 100   pause 100ms
high 6    Turn on Q2
pause 1500   pause 1500ms  		
pulsout 5, 200  Raise OUT 5 for 200ms - is it turning Q10 on or off???
low 6    Turn off Q2
pause 100  pause 100ms

Thanks

Alex

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Team,with folks now getting this machine working, almost working, or in just some state that wants to work, let's just take a moment to understand what is happening. I have posted my drawing v2.2.3 a few threads back and will use that as a reference. For starters Q9 and Q10 are the Key. Not because they are PNP (that helps) but any component that will conduct and on command, "open up" when we want it to (not when it wants to) will fill the bill. I am going to try and put this in simplistic terms, so to illustrate, if we close Q1, we apply 24V into batts 2 and 4. One would say that we are building pressure against batts 2 and 4, By design, Q9 provides the path to batts 1 and 3 when we reverse the process AND FEELS THIS PRESSURE. Most of us learned early on (when diodes were used) the pressure became to great and blew the diodes. Q9 overcomes this by becoming a "pressure release valve" and can be adjusted t0 insure the right pressure is maintained against batts 2 and 4. Q10 has the same functionality when this process is reveresed.

So now to the code; (only the firing of Q1 and Q9 shown here)


high 4 (we are biasing Q1 and begin to build the pressure)
pause 800 (this is how much we are allowing the pressure to build)
pulsout 7, 200 (this is Q9 doing its relief valve duty)
low 4 (this cycle is done)

As there are many ways to "code" this, I myself am still experminting for the best results.


Guy's I hope this helps. We are traveling at a very fast pace, but do speak up if you do not understand. The function I just described above is the key to your success.

Bit's

[Murlin]

limited success

I had some time to do some more testing with my commutator.

Taking Leroy's advice I went to Radio Shack and bought an assortment of small light bulbs to use as my load.


I am only using 4 diodes right now. The ones that split the voltage into the positive battery terminals.

When I use the diodes on the negative poles I get no volts out,
maybe I have them wired in wrong I don't know.

I hooked up my volt meter to check the voltage at the test points. Again I used the 2 switch TS schematic Leroy posted for me.

I could not find 24 volts on either side from 0 to 400 HZ. However, using the 2.4 volt light as a load, I was able to adjust the frequency to the sweet spot where he batteries started charging. There is a very narrow window for my commutator and it was precisely @ 180 HZ.

One test point measured 14 volts and the other test point measured 16 volts. The light bulb burned very bright just like a flashlight.

Battery 4 and battery 2 did all the charging. Battery 4 went from 12.68 to 12.82 in about 15 minutes. Battery 2 gained about .05. The other 2 just remained the same.

hopefully more to come.

regards,
Murlin

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Hi Bit's,

I'm looking at your schematic and this is not making sense to me.
Out 7 controls Q9 but it is Q10 that connects left side battery's in serial to parallel batteries on the right side. I'm not sure what the PNP's are doing the way they are biased. I will put comments next to your code. Please clarify/correct my comments if they are wrong.

State of OUT 5 = low - Q10, is it on or off??? 
State of OUT 7 = low - Q9, is it on or off??? 

high 4     turn on Q1 - put bat 1 and 3 in series
pause 1500   pause 1500ms
pulsout 7, 200   raise OUT 7 for 200ms - is it turning Q9 on or off??? 
low 4    turn off Q1
pause 100   pause 100ms
high 6    Turn on Q2
pause 1500   pause 1500ms  		
pulsout 5, 200  Raise OUT 5 for 200ms - is it turning Q10 on or off???
low 6    Turn off Q2
pause 100  pause 100ms

Thanks

Alex

Alex
Re-read what I just posted.
Q9 and Q10 are PNP, think of them as "Normally Closed" contacts. When you energize them they open up.

[hherby]

Team,with folks now getting this machine working, almost working, or in just some state that wants to work, let's just take a moment to understand what is happening. I have posted my drawing v2.2.3 a few threads back and will use that as a reference. For starters Q9 and Q10 are the Key. Not because they are PNP (that helps) but any component that will conduct and on command, "open up" when we want it to (not when it wants to) will fill the bill. I am going to try and put this in simplistic terms, so to illustrate, if we close Q1, we apply 24V into batts 2 and 4. One would say that we are building pressure against batts 2 and 4, By design, Q9 provides the path to batts 1 and 3 when we reverse the process AND FEELS THIS PRESSURE. Most of us learned early on (when diodes were used) the pressure became to great and blew the diodes. Q9 overcomes this by becoming a "pressure release valve" and can be adjusted t0 insure the right pressure is maintained against batts 2 and 4. Q10 has the same functionality when this process is reveresed.

So now to the code; (only the firing of Q1 and Q9 shown here)


high 4 (we are biasing Q1 and begin to build the pressure)
pause 800 (this is how much we are allowing the pressure to build)
pulsout 7, 200 (this is Q9 doing its relief valve duty)
low 4 (this cycle is done)

As there are many ways to "code" this, I myself am still experminting for the best results.


Guy's I hope this helps. We are traveling at a very fast pace, but do speak up if you do not understand. The function I just described above is the key to your success.

Bit's

Ok, is it just me that is not following this?

Bit's, please clarify:

high 4 (we are biasing Q1 and begin to build the pressure)
-"biasing" means turn on(close) Q1 to put bats 1 & 3 in series. Correct?
-At this point is Q10 open or closed?

pause 800 (this is how much we are allowing the pressure to build)

pulsout 7, 200 (this is Q9 doing its relief valve duty)
-Is this turning on (closing) Q9?

low 4 (this cycle is done)
-Done??? you didn't turn on Q10 to connect serial bank to parallel bank. How is pressure building up against Q9?

Thanks,
Alex

[ldissing]

Team,with folks now getting this machine working, almost working, or in just some state that wants to work, let's just take a moment to understand what is happening. I have posted my drawing v2.2.3 a few threads back and will use that as a reference. For starters Q9 and Q10 are the Key. Not because they are PNP (that helps) but any component that will conduct and on command, "open up" when we want it to (not when it wants to) will fill the bill. I am going to try and put this in simplistic terms, so to illustrate, if we close Q1, we apply 24V into batts 2 and 4. One would say that we are building pressure against batts 2 and 4, By design, Q9 provides the path to batts 1 and 3 when we reverse the process AND FEELS THIS PRESSURE. Most of us learned early on (when diodes were used) the pressure became to great and blew the diodes. Q9 overcomes this by becoming a "pressure release valve" and can be adjusted t0 insure the right pressure is maintained against batts 2 and 4. Q10 has the same functionality when this process is reveresed.

So now to the code; (only the firing of Q1 and Q9 shown here)


high 4 (we are biasing Q1 and begin to build the pressure)
pause 800 (this is how much we are allowing the pressure to build)
pulsout 7, 200 (this is Q9 doing its relief valve duty)
low 4 (this cycle is done)

As there are many ways to "code" this, I myself am still experminting for the best results.


Guy's I hope this helps. We are traveling at a very fast pace, but do speak up if you do not understand. The function I just described above is the key to your success.

Bit's

Hey Bit's,

Have you put a scope on Q9 or Q10 to see what it is doing? I still do not know how the floating base is working. Can't seem to find the time to do the experiment, life is always getting in the way!

I can not figure out how you are doing the ADC on the batteries. I understand that the resistors are a voltage divider network, but the ground for the PICAXE chip is at +12V relative to battery 3 when Q1 is turned on, and at 0V relative to battery 3 when Q1 is turned off. So, that reference is jumping around. That is fine, but what is it in relationship to battery 2 and 4? You talk about 18V on one side (1&3)and 15V (2&4) on the other side, is that to account for the diodes/transistor drops on the bat 2&4 sides? It seems like the load would have an effect, but I guess only when you close Q9 and/or Q10, so you can take your reading before closing those transistors (Q9 and/or Q10).

Leroy