Use for the Tesla Switch

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Nice demo Bits. It seems like it would work better when you made the delay longer. Potential was climbing up to 26 volts or so. Do you think the frequency of the "potential dump" is one of the more important points that causes the batteries to charge? I know the "snap" is important too.

I found using when charging with solid state charges the lower the frequency the faster the charging.

Great work!

Mark

Thanks Mark, Delay being longer will be important when we want to drive more of a load. Think of this as a 4 way teeter - totter. Balance. Frequency of the oscillation will be on 1 while load will be on the other. Maybe in my abstract mind, I just confused you. "potential dump" is VERY important.

Thanks
Bit's

[John_Bedini]

Tesla Switch

Bit's,
Good to talk to you the other day, Yes it is true the slower the switch the better. Do you remember what we talked about to try on the Tesla Switch. Did you try to let the switch pulse three times on one side and then do the same on the other side. This may be a way to see how much time is needed. Since your using computer control it should be easy. I do not know if the devices will take that.
Talk to you soon.
John

Thanks Mark, Delay being longer will be important when we want to drive more of a load. Think of this as a 4 way teeter - totter. Balance. Frequency of the oscillation will be on 1 while load will be on the other. Maybe in my abstract mind, I just confused you. "potential dump" is VERY important.

Thanks
Bit's

[blackchisel97]

@John Bedini.

It will be easy with digital but I can't figure out how this "firing" sequence maybe achieved with SG oscillator. It seem like we need additional device to pulse out top pnp's. I was thinking of delay trigger built on 555 or entire part done with 556's. Maybe I'm missing something but SG chip doesn't fit this anymore (especially with ability to handle low freq.) It's been long time since I used 74*** series and I think you have mentioned that they don't work well with scalar. Don't know about TS. I was hoping to get it done "analog way" before testing digital version.

Thank you
Vtech

[Murlin]

I had a thought

I wonder what happens when lead acid batterys are no longer manufactured?

The new generation batters have high voltage spike protection in them. I wonder if they can be charged by radiant energy

This reminds me of the guy who build the venturi catalytic converter type carb that would dramatically increase the MPG.

The oil companies just added varnish to gasoline and that was that. And for good measure they said you could not heat the fuel with the exhaust.

The powers that be have always been one step ahead of the RE guys and have always shut them down.

I guess if that happens we would have to make our own batteries...


Great work on the digital TS Bits...

I think I am understanding what this radiant thing is all about.

The secret is the high voltage spike. It doesn't really matter how you get it to happen as long as it is getting pushed into the battery.

It's like blowing up a balloon and popping it with a pin. The pop is the spike.

At least that is how it makes the most sense in my mind.


regards,

Murlin

[Plazma]

Our own country?! . . .

Hi Murlin,

Great post - quite provocative

The powerz that be (the Wall Street Banker Boyz) have this country in a death grip sucking what's left out. Lead is banned in most stuff - lots of Galena ore right in JBs back yard - but just try to get a mining permit now anywhere in the USA - very difficult. Sulfuric acid is easier as a lot is made as byproduct spent acid in the chemical industry. And, if you wanted say Mercury for any reason, you might as well put up a big condenser and catch what's 'blowing in the winds' from China -

The big China company BYDDF.PK (OTC stock symbol) could dominate both battery manufacturing (now) and cars (soon). I am sure JB and Co is all over what's emerging in nanotech batteries and superCaps. Smaller distances might mean smaller/limited relative voltages (V) but could allow the same or similar voltage gradients (dV/dT) as needed by 'impulse' technology to work - not sure - but lets hope so. If not, we all might have to pool our resources and buy enough land somewhere and start over . . . (and a 'volunteer' named 'Murlin' will be our LA-Battery Czar)

Best,

Plazma

PS - Been working on a nanotech catalyst, used to coat electrodes - uses pulsed DC - makes Brown's gas.

I wonder what happens when lead acid batterys are no longer manufactured?

The new generation batters have high voltage spike protection in them. I wonder if they can be charged by radiant energy

This reminds me of the guy who build the venturi catalytic converter type carb that would dramatically increase the MPG.

The oil companies just added varnish to gasoline and that was that. And for good measure they said you could not heat the fuel with the exhaust.

The powers that be have always been one step ahead of the RE guys and have always shut them down.

I guess if that happens we would have to make our own batteries...


Great work on the digital TS Bits...

I think I am understanding what this radiant thing is all about.

The secret is the high voltage spike. It doesn't really matter how you get it to happen as long as it is getting pushed into the battery.

It's like blowing up a balloon and popping it with a pin. The pop is the spike.

At least that is how it makes the most sense in my mind.


regards,

Murlin

[blackchisel97]

valid point

I wonder what happens when lead acid batterys are no longer manufactured?

I guess if that happens we would have to make our own batteries...
regards,

Murlin

Good post


Vtech

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

I did try it

Bit's,
Good to talk to you the other day, Yes it is true the slower the switch the better. Do you remember what we talked about to try on the Tesla Switch. Did you try to let the switch pulse three times on one side and then do the same on the other side. This may be a way to see how much time is needed. Since your using computer control it should be easy. I do not know if the devices will take that.
Talk to you soon.
John

Hi John, yes it was a good chat. I did try the 3 pulse from one side then 3 pulse to the other side. The bad news is over a 4 hr period I lost about .4 volts on 3 batts while 1 stayed the same. More tests are needed to see what the optimum pulse rate / duration would be in that setup. Meanwhile the D-TS has ran all day, powering the lights with no voltage lost. I will be trying different devices shortly. The PIC chips can be downloaded to over 100,000 times with no problems.

Talk to ya soon John,

Bit's

[Aaron]

msg

John, got your msg, I'm here anytime.

[John_K]

John K.'s code

@Bits,

I ordered a PICAXE-18 starter kit, should be here in a week.

I've been messing with the code so I can run a solid-state SSG as the load. Like all good programmer's I stole someone else's code and hacked it (your's )
Here's what I've got so far...

Start:
SYMBOL EvenSense = W1 'Input1 = EvenSense - Holds the value of the voltage from B2 and B4.
SYMBOL OddSense = W2 'Input2 = OddSense - Holds the value of the voltage from B1 and B3.
SYMBOL TotalCompare = W3 'TotalCompare - Holds the value of B1 and B3 + B2 and B4.
symbol SSE_Q = 2 'Output2 = SSE_Q - Energizer transistor
symbol Cap_Q = 3 'Output3 = CAP_Q - Cap dump transistor
symbol TS_Q1 = 4 'Output4 = TS_Q1 - Tesla Switch B1- & B3+ in series, NO (MJL21194)
symbol TS_Q9 = 5 'Output5 = TS_Q9 - Tesla Switch B1+ & B3+ in parallel, NC (MJL21193)
symbol TS_Q2 = 6 'Output6 = TS_Q2 - Tesla Switch B2- & B4+ in series, NO (MJL21194)
symbol TS_Q10 = 7 'Output7 = TS_Q10 - Tesla Switch B1+ & B3+ in parallel, NC (MJL21193)

Main:
readadc10 1, EvenSense 'Gets value for B2 & B4
readadc10 2, OddSense 'Gets value for B1 & B3

let b1 = 0 'Resets variable b1

let EvenSense = 200 'Fixes values for testing code
let OddSense = 200 'Fixes values for testing code

;random EvenSense 'Random values for testing code
;random OddSense 'Random values for testing code


if EvenSense > OddSense then SwitchGroup1
if EvenSense < OddSense then SwitchGroup2
if EvenSense = OddSense then SwitchGroup3

;let TotalCompare = OddSense + EvenSense '########## Reserved for future use

;If TotalCompare > 255 then '########## Reserved for future use
;high 3 '########## Reserved for future use
;else
;low 3 '########## Reserved for future use
;endif

SwitchGroup1:
do
high TS_Q1, TS_Q9, SSE_Q
pause 2500
low TS_Q1, TS_Q9, SSE_Q
pulsout Cap_Q, 30
inc b1
loop while b1 < 3
goto Main

SwitchGroup2:
do
high TS_Q2, TS_Q10, SSE_Q
pause 2500
low TS_Q2, TS_Q10, SSE_Q
pulsout Cap_Q, 30
inc b1
loop while b1 < 3
goto Main

SwitchGroup3:
do
high TS_Q1, TS_Q9, SSE_Q
pause 2500
low SSE_Q, TS_Q9, TS_Q1
pulsout Cap_Q, 30
high TS_Q2, TS_Q10, SSE_Q
pause 2500
low SSE_Q, TS_Q10, TS_Q2
pulsout Cap_Q, 30
inc b1
loop while b1 < 3
goto Main

Can't wait to try it out!

John K.

[ldissing]

@Bits,

I ordered a PICAXE-18 starter kit, should be here in a week.

I've been messing with the code so I can run a solid-state SSG as the load. Like all good programmer's I stole someone else's code and hacked it (your's )
Here's what I've got so far...

Can't wait to try it out!

John K.

John K,

Have you ever run the solid state on a solar panel with a cap to store the energy from the solar panel and no other power supply? I ask, because when I did this and it was very cloudy, the system would run whenever it was clear enough to give me some voltage out of the panel and would not run when the cap voltage was too low. So, in this scenario, the solid state will run whenever the voltage in the cap is large enough, and not when it isn't. That is not to say you could not limit when it is running, i.e. when the voltage on the cap is big enough for you to be happy, but it doesn't necessarily need to work that way.

Perhaps you are just speaking about charging the batteries in the TS with the solid state SSG (E)? You might want to think about what is happening in this system before you do that.

Our resident expert has not told us how the energy is moving in the 4 battery TS with his 4 transistors model, or at least I have not seen the explanation. I believe that JB said that you are not supposed to charge and "use" a battery at the same time, so unless I am mistaken which I probably am, there are some energy flows in the system that would not allow use of a charging system with the 4 transistor setup that he is using. Maybe charging and using at the same time does not matter with the TS?

I think you could charge another battery just fine with the solid state SSE and using the 4 battery TS as the power source, however.

(In the scalar charger, the battery is not being used when the caps are supplying the energy to charge).

Leroy

P.S. Sent you a PM

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

@Bits,

I ordered a PICAXE-18 starter kit, should be here in a week.

I've been messing with the code so I can run a solid-state SSG as the load. Like all good programmer's I stole someone else's code and hacked it (your's )
Here's what I've got so far...

Start:
SYMBOL EvenSense = W1 'Input1 = EvenSense - Holds the value of the voltage from B2 and B4.
SYMBOL OddSense = W2 'Input2 = OddSense - Holds the value of the voltage from B1 and B3.
SYMBOL TotalCompare = W3 'TotalCompare - Holds the value of B1 and B3 + B2 and B4.
symbol SSE_Q = 2 'Output2 = SSE_Q - Energizer transistor
symbol Cap_Q = 3 'Output3 = CAP_Q - Cap dump transistor
symbol TS_Q1 = 4 'Output4 = TS_Q1 - Tesla Switch B1- & B3+ in series, NO (MJL21194)
symbol TS_Q9 = 5 'Output5 = TS_Q9 - Tesla Switch B1+ & B3+ in parallel, NC (MJL21193)
symbol TS_Q2 = 6 'Output6 = TS_Q2 - Tesla Switch B2- & B4+ in series, NO (MJL21194)
symbol TS_Q10 = 7 'Output7 = TS_Q10 - Tesla Switch B1+ & B3+ in parallel, NC (MJL21193)

Main:
readadc10 1, EvenSense 'Gets value for B2 & B4
readadc10 2, OddSense 'Gets value for B1 & B3

let b1 = 0 'Resets variable b1

let EvenSense = 200 'Fixes values for testing code
let OddSense = 200 'Fixes values for testing code

;random EvenSense 'Random values for testing code
;random OddSense 'Random values for testing code


if EvenSense > OddSense then SwitchGroup1
if EvenSense < OddSense then SwitchGroup2
if EvenSense = OddSense then SwitchGroup3

;let TotalCompare = OddSense + EvenSense '########## Reserved for future use

;If TotalCompare > 255 then '########## Reserved for future use
;high 3 '########## Reserved for future use
;else
;low 3 '########## Reserved for future use
;endif

SwitchGroup1:
do
high TS_Q1, TS_Q9, SSE_Q
pause 2500
low TS_Q1, TS_Q9, SSE_Q
pulsout Cap_Q, 30
inc b1
loop while b1 < 3
goto Main

SwitchGroup2:
do
high TS_Q2, TS_Q10, SSE_Q
pause 2500
low TS_Q2, TS_Q10, SSE_Q
pulsout Cap_Q, 30
inc b1
loop while b1 < 3
goto Main

SwitchGroup3:
do
high TS_Q1, TS_Q9, SSE_Q
pause 2500
low SSE_Q, TS_Q9, TS_Q1
pulsout Cap_Q, 30
high TS_Q2, TS_Q10, SSE_Q
pause 2500
low SSE_Q, TS_Q10, TS_Q2
pulsout Cap_Q, 30
inc b1
loop while b1 < 3
goto Main

Can't wait to try it out!

John K.

Good job John K. You'll need to add one last "goto Main" statement after the last Subroutine.

Bit's

[ldissing]

Charging

@JB or anyone who knows,

Why is it that the batteries charge better with a 12V bulb that does not have enough amperage/potential to light the 50W bulb (but some serious amperage is being sent through the bulb), than when I use a 6 or 7.5V bulb that runs at 150ma or 300ma, respectively.

I am not doing exactly what Bits is doing, because I believe (right or wrong) that is against the primary premise and original design of the TS. Bits can do what he wants, it is just not my current belief, but he is doing great, so no problem there. I do get charging using small bulbs or big bulbs with what I'm doing and it is good to have two different approaches. Charging is just faster with the big bulbs, and of course, it also pulls the batteries down farther and faster too.

I assume that the "potential" is being used by the batteries because they gain charge. The transistors do get a little warm with the big bulbs, and need to be heat sinked, but the batteries increase in voltage while it is running quite nicely.

With the small bulbs, my voltages across the series sides (both) is 21-23V with the small bulbs and 20-22 with the big bulbs. So I know the "snap" is there that is required and my pulsing is quite different than Bits, but it seems to work fine.

Any thoughts on the big bulb and charging effect?

Leroy

(I can also light a 14V bulb although not to its brightest, but charging is terrible)

P.S. Bits, I wish it was me, but I'm really, really glad that you are in the loop with JB. For JB to take ANYONE under consultation is a big, BIG, thing.

[Mark]

Hello guys I know this question is a little off topic but I thought this would be the best thread to ask it in. I'm experimenting with the 3 battery TS and I want to know what is the function of the transistors? I've played with the set up a year ago briefly but wired up the batteries directly without the transistors or diode. You could run the load off the 2 negatives or 2 positives and get charging to 1 battery. When running a 12 volt bulb for example my transistors get hot which tells me I'm wasting power. So for what I'm doing I'm thinking about doing away with the transistors unless there is some advantage. Thanks in advance for any comments.

Mark

[John_K]

Lero

Hey Lero,

No, I haven't tried solar panels yet. But I have run Bedini energizers down to about 4 volts and could still get a charge in the battery.

I was being a bit ambitious when thinking to dump the cap into the TS batteries. It could be done with a PIC for the switching, just need to make sure the batteries are dis-connected from the circuit when the cap is dumped.

I think it would be a lot easier just to add another another battery to dump the cap into. This would be a 5 battery setup. As long as the TS batteries maintain their charge, or even increase, you could theoretically charge batteries for free. Anyway, that's the plan.

I have the SS energizer runnning nicely on 0.5A, which HOPEFULLY will be a decent load for the TS. I just have to rebuild the TS again and wait for the PICAXE.

John K.

John K,

Have you ever run the solid state on a solar panel with a cap to store the energy from the solar panel and no other power supply? I ask, because when I did this and it was very cloudy, the system would run whenever it was clear enough to give me some voltage out of the panel and would not run when the cap voltage was too low. So, in this scenario, the solid state will run whenever the voltage in the cap is large enough, and not when it isn't. That is not to say you could not limit when it is running, i.e. when the voltage on the cap is big enough for you to be happy, but it doesn't necessarily need to work that way.

Perhaps you are just speaking about charging the batteries in the TS with the solid state SSG (E)? You might want to think about what is happening in this system before you do that.

Our resident expert has not told us how the energy is moving in the 4 battery TS with his 4 transistors model, or at least I have not seen the explanation. I believe that JB said that you are not supposed to charge and "use" a battery at the same time, so unless I am mistaken which I probably am, there are some energy flows in the system that would not allow use of a charging system with the 4 transistor setup that he is using. Maybe charging and using at the same time does not matter with the TS?

I think you could charge another battery just fine with the solid state SSE and using the 4 battery TS as the power source, however.

(In the scalar charger, the battery is not being used when the caps are supplying the energy to charge).

Leroy

P.S. Sent you a PM

[ldissing]

Hey Lero,

No, I haven't tried solar panels yet. But I have run Bedini energizers down to about 4 volts and could still get a charge in the battery.

I was being a bit ambitious when thinking to dump the cap into the TS batteries. It could be done with a PIC for the switching, just need to make sure the batteries are dis-connected from the circuit when the cap is dumped.

I think it would be a lot easier just to add another another battery to dump the cap into. This would be a 5 battery setup. As long as the TS batteries maintain their charge, or even increase, you could theoretically charge batteries for free. Anyway, that's the plan.

I have the SS energizer runnning nicely on 0.5A, which HOPEFULLY will be a decent load for the TS. I just have to rebuild the TS again and wait for the PICAXE.

John K.

Ambitious, I'm thinking not. My big bulb scenario is using around .8 amps, and it likes it just fine (and charges), so I don't think you will have any problems. You are talking about using the cap to drive the SSE, right? I think the cap situation is actually the best scenario, because the cap is at 4-10V when the "usage" happens, which allows it to run the SSE and then it will discharge to 0-4 V, then it is charged again. So, the batteries can always have an excess potential because the cap is dischaged, just soaking up available potential....Maybe you need two SSEs to utilized all of the charge that the two capacitors will have. OR, you could utilize a bridge and just a single cap. It is an interesting experiment.

I need to do this too, as I have a SSE ready to go. I just want the stinkin' (I should have said nice little fellows) batteries charged all the time.

Lero