Use for the Tesla Switch

[nvisser]

Should this test not be the other way round.
Look at the pulse on the battery terminals when we discharge a charged capacitor to the battery through a mosfet for different pulse widths
Or when feeding a coil's flyback pulse to the battery?
I believe you will need a good scope to see battery resonance in the Mhz regions

[SeaMonkey]

Hey Vissie..
There should be no Friendship problems here with anyone, this is not about that,
it is not a pissing match of who is write or anything of that nature.

It is real simple...

If Seamonkey has all this knowledge on how to make this better then spit it out or buzz off.
there has been enough of this crap here already.

I do not need to explain to him the details of my cct for him to give US ALL HIS Super Simple better way to do it.

The info he has given on the proper requirements to turn a fet on and off efficiently is right and he knows how to look up good info.

For one, I don't see how a transformer as a gate driver will give the required parameters for switching the gate on a Fet as he says it will. Fine for a transistor, but this is a different beast.
I would really like to see how this is implemented so I learn and grow. Would be usefull in a lot of other applications as well.

He keeps talking about Floating this and that. etc.

Quit talking about it and SHOW us a realworld schematic of all this that actually applies to the cct we are working with.

There is a lot more to the way this works (as you have found through actually building it) than normal text book stuff.

So this whole group upset is on his shoulders.

I showed mine now he needs to show His (not some one else's) complete design.

THEN maybe we all can discuss it and move on !!

Your diagram may indeed be a workable solution.

Unfortunately, whatever 'genius' is residing within the
diagram and its ability to function is concealed from the
untrained eye.

Your diode array as shown on your diagram is beyond
the ability of many, many readers to comprehend.
The concept of 'steering diodes' and 'diode "OR" circuits
is one that needs to be 'simplified' in order for the
readership to grasp it.

You have made some good choices in your circuit
diagram. If you could somehow devise a way to
're-arrange' the parts in order to facilitate the 'flow'
it would be possible for the masses to appreciate
what you've done.

Have you ever seen a military equipment manual?
The schematics within them are prime examples
of how to 'layout' a diagram for maximum comprehension.
Collins Radio was particularly good at constructing
equipment manuals which idealized the form of
schematic which is most instructive.

You have devoted a great deal of time to figuring a
way to make the Floating MosFets receive sufficient
drive to switch quickly and efficiently. Why not devote
a little more time to making it readily 'visible' to ALL
who may wish to understand?

In the process you may be surprised to discover certain
redundancies. You may get a few "oh ****" moments
where you wonder why it is the way it is...

You have much to offer.

I do not believe you are finished yet...

[SeaMonkey]

@SeaMonkey,
Okay, what would be the preffered devices?
A. IRL2204N?
B. IRF3205?
C. Or IRFP260 (55mOhm) but capable of blocking 200V?


1. This looks like one winding primary (10..30 turns as in the article) and 8-filar secondary?
2. How do we test our (different) cores to the right wire gauges?
3. Shall the Primery to secondary copper masses be in balance?
4. How much of a "umph" should the xfmr drive have V? @ A? for what MOSFET set?
5. This looks like a 3 stage project to me: "Quer-"; "driver-"; "power-" - whit BIG troublle in the middle
6. Do we feed the MOSFETs with coaxial cables or twisted pairs their respective "Que" singnals? Do we match trace lengths and to what exact level?
7. Do we size the driver stage to quad "Que" power devices (four devices in parallel) od we make that in a second (scaled up) attempt? How do we control drive level?
8. this is it at the moment

Stevan C.

Aha! Very good questions!

For the "preferred devices." Any MosFet which has
a sufficiently high voltage rating, current rating,
a reasonable Rds(on) rating, is readily available and
is cheap is the "one." In the beginning use what you
have or what you're able to get easily. later, you
will make other choices as you see fit.

Toroidal Transformer drive for the MosFet does have
limitations. It is suited well for specific applications
but it is not a good option for many others.

For the Tesla Switch we need a drive capability
which is amenable to widely varying frequencies
and pulse widths. At least, in the 'adjustment' phase
of getting it going.

I provided a link to Eric's simple diagram which had
a very interesting 'suggestion' with respect to the
Driver Chips. At the time he raised this possibility
there many not have been a readily apparent means
to accomplish his suggestion.

Transformers may be used for 'pulsing' and they may
be used for 'power.' At high frequencies a tiny transformer
is capable of transferring considerable power.

What are you thinking now?

[DoubleD]

Your diagram may indeed be a workable solution.


You have devoted a great deal of time to figuring a
way to make the Floating MosFets receive sufficient
drive to switch quickly and efficiently. Why not devote
a little more time to making it readily 'visible' to ALL
who may wish to understand?

I do not believe you are finished yet...

As I said before I usually don't do schematic.
so draw it up however you need to to understand it.


If you can make it better ... well by all means do so and show us.
I have a MUCH bigger project to spend my time on

[SeaMonkey]

Should this test not be the other way round.
Look at the pulse on the battery terminals when we discharge a charged capacitor to the battery through a mosfet for different pulse widths
Or when feeding a coil's flyback pulse to the battery?
I believe you will need a good scope to see battery resonance in the Mhz regions

We're trying to see something that occurs
within the battery chemistry in response to
amperage demands of a load which is pulsed.

What we are seeking evidence of will, if Bearden
and Bedini are correct, occur following the
impulse of current. What we want to establish
is the delay time between the pulse and the
"event."

Where it will occur on the time-line is the question.

Does it appear immediately following the pulse, or
is it several microseconds following the pulse? Or,
several milliseconds following the pulse?

Once we know "where" the event takes place
then we can predict the frequency range of the
Tesla Switch.

IF the 'event' takes place at all.

[SeaMonkey]

As I said before I usually don't do schematic.
so draw it up however you need to to understand it.


If you can make it better ... well by all means do so and show us.
I have a MUCH bigger project to spend my time on

You may be disappointing a great many potential
"fans" who are hoping you'll come through.

Is all your work thus far for naught?

[SeaMonkey]

The progress of the TS PVAmp with MOSFET and nsec ragne "Que":
I have soldered the power-stage (IRF3205 55V failover, 53A DC, 150A surge) and the Schottky diodes (MBRS2060 60V, 20Amp DC, 150A max surge) and started to layout cables.

The sketch is roughly this (there are errors and inconsistencies yet, but it is "very about it"):

(soon to be continued...)

I am truly impressed!

Your work is very professional.

Your agile mind and the way that you arrive
at 'solutions' to challenges is admirable.

[SeaMonkey]

Selection of the Species

Read This - Study This

[Matthew Jones]

Read This - Study This

You've seem to make that paper a mantra for yourself.
I've been the my own boss at minimum since I was 21 years old. 17 years I have never shot a good idea down. If we weren't on the Internet I would give you a peek at my success. Its a big number for person 38 years into life.
That paper describes intolerable behavior from a leader IMHO.
But each to his own....

On to buisness.

We're trying to see something that occurs
within the battery chemistry in response to
amperage demands of a load which is pulsed.
What we are seeking evidence of will, if Bearden
and Bedini are correct, occur following the
impulse of current. What we want to establish
is the delay time between the pulse and the
"event."
Where it will occur on the time-line is the question.
Does it appear immediately following the pulse, or
is it several microseconds following the pulse? Or,
several milliseconds following the pulse?
Once we know "where" the event takes place
then we can predict the frequency range of the
Tesla Switch.
IF the 'event' takes place at all.

You have have it backwards. At least the time-line of events anyway.
The battery receives a pulse of current. The ions turn around.
Then when you ask the battery for a discharge, thats when the spike happens.
You won't see it across one battery. You have to look at the serial connection. You have to put the probe on the hot side and the ground of the probe on the ground side. When you activate the switch the general shape of the pulse will go negative on the scope into a square wave. At the leading edge of the square wave you should see a spike. Sometimes small sometimes big.
That the energy coming from the reversal in a TS. It doesn't show up when the battery gets hit it show up when the battery releases it.

And it does happen.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

I should go on to explain why. When the battery gets hit with an incoming pulse and that pulse is large enough to accumulate as a skin charge, (voltage that will dissipate or absorb quickly once the system is off IE shut off the battery charger and watch the battery voltage drop.) the spike will happen sometime in between when the battery gets hit and when discharges. It shows up at discharge because the energy is not electricity as we know it, it is a radiant or negative charge like transient spike. Fast, zero time movement, pure voltage, how ever you wanna say it, its not the same thing. And you cannot see it on the scope until it leaves the environment of the battery. And will only leave if the potential in the battery is high enough to form a skin charge that is not absorbing into the plates.

Back popping is the same thing. If you wanna see it in the battery can only look at remnants as it hits the plates. A small oscillation and this will be apparent if you build a sniffer like John Koorn talked about. Wrap the the power wire with a coils so you can see the disturbance the incoming charge causes.

I truly believe after reading the article on Brandt, in which he talks about the 900hz and the new batteries not oscillating correctly in new batteries, wasn't looking in the right direction. The oscillation is at a slower pace. Not faster.
At least that what I think I have seen.

So anyway there is my little speech based on EXPERIENCE take it or leave it.

Matt

[SeaMonkey]

You've seem to make that paper a mantra for yourself.
I've been the my own boss at minimum since I was 21 years old. 17 years I have never shot a good idea down. If we weren't on the Internet I would give you a peek at my success. Its a big number for person 38 years into life.
That paper describes intolerable behavior from a leader IMHO.
But each to his own....

On to buisness.

...


Matt

It's not surprising that you missed the point.

It's about the Group Dynamic.

The source of Conflict.

Narrowing the Choices.

Reaction to Rejection.

How to Maturely Accept Criticism.

And you're worried about who might be the BOSS?

[Matthew Jones]

I'm not worried about a thing.

You got anything to offer other than that supreme little attitude. Drawing anything recently. How bout another elementary schematic for the new guys.
How bout maybe your version of Dave's Schematic. You know the easy you insist upon.

And I guess the rest of what I wrote is not worth responding to HUH? OR what you scared to speculate over real research? HUH??



Matt

[SeaMonkey]

Back popping is the same thing. If you wanna see it in the battery can only look at remnants as it hits the plates. A small oscillation and this will be apparent if you build a sniffer like John Koorn talked about. Wrap the the power wire with a coils so you can see the disturbance the incoming charge causes.

I truly believe after reading the article on Brandt, in which he talks about the 900hz and the new batteries not oscillating correctly in new batteries, wasn't looking in the right direction. The oscillation is at a slower pace. Not faster.
At least that what I think I have seen.

So anyway there is my little speech based on EXPERIENCE take it or leave it.

Matt

The Oscillation that results when 'banging' either
a battery or a circuit with a very sharp pulse is
known as a "Parasitic Oscillation" which is the
result of the distributed Capacitance and Inductance
being "shock excited" into a damped oscillation which
rapidly dissipates.

Under the right circumstances even a piece of
wire can be made to oscillate.

That you have EXPERIENCE is abundantly clear.

But, do you really understand what that experience
is revealing to you?

This entire community of "Radiant Energy" and
"Overunity" is rife with misconception and dis-info.
Much of what is available in the way of literature is
sheer fantasy. Too many who are experimenting
with the various "devices" are chasing phantoms
because they are lacking in the technical understanding
which would enable them to "focus" on what is real.

This is not necessarily bad because in due time, if
the experimenters are diligent, knowledge will
accumulate and a desire to learn more will arise.

Also, discernment will set in. One can only be 'fooled'
so many times...

Mistakes are how we learn. Well, how most of us learn.

Failure is simply a "learning experience." Or, more
appropriately, an OPPORTUNITY for a learning experience.

Got a few UPTIGHT folks in this here forum. Frustrated
and disillusioned. Yet, tenaciously 'clinging' to their
'territory.' Stuck so deep in the 'rut' that it isn't
possible to entertain thought of a way out. Resistant
to any suggestion of "another way."

Oh well. Rome was not built in a day. This MosFet
driven Tesla Switch may yet be some ways from
becoming a reality.

I suspect if anyone of you do find "the way" it will
be Stevan or Vissie. Eric almost had it.

Even a 'fool' can follow instructions yet that is what
the majority seem to be craving. Instructions.

It certainly would be nice if some 'creative thinking'
would begin to sprout in massive quantity.

Thankfully, a couple of Men in the group have shown
the ability to pick it up and run with it.

[SeaMonkey]

I'm not worried about a thing.

You got anything to offer other than that supreme little attitude. Drawing anything recently. How bout another elementary schematic for the new guys.
How bout maybe your version of Dave's Schematic. You know the easy you insist upon.

And I guess the rest of what I wrote is not worth responding to HUH? OR what you scared to speculate over real research? HUH??



Matt

How do any of you truly BENEFIT from my work?

How would that improve your ability to think for
yourselves? To accept a challenge? To create
a solution? To learn something new by way of
one's own efforts?

Dave has the ability to make his diagram better.
Yet he has chosen to 'bail out.' Depriving many
of an opportunity to unravel the complexity of
his diode steering array.

Or, possibly Dave is unable to decipher it himself.

I'm sorry, but you do not seem to fully understand
what your experience has demonstrated to you.

This is one mighty deep rut that y'all are in...

[Matthew Jones]

See thats your typical response. When faced with what you have not seen and you know little about. "We are the Fools", Nothing We see is the truth its only a lack of knowledge. Yet thats all you have for an explanation. Over and Over again.

I have to find out a few things.

Where did you get the info on Ronald Brandt? You said And I can go back and find the posts if for some reason you think I mistaken.
Ronald Brandt only got 4-6 time more work for the energy in his Batteries.
Where did that come from.?
Ronald Brandt had to desulphate his batteries before he could charge them.?
Where did that come from.?

All I want is the reference to those 2 things. Thats it. You've handed out reference material. Please give me the reference for those 2 statements.
And don't go getting them off of the first 2 pages of Google like you have everything else. Cause I have already read all that stuff.

I am positive Vissie and Stevan will be successful. They are hard working humble people ready to help and prove themselves. Humility is the key ingredient. Do you know that word Humility. The act of being Humble.

YOUR NOT!!!

You should take Vissies advice and start your own thread. You'll find interested people initially but sooner or later they'll need proof as well. Unfortunately since you have showed up we have force to share in the background through private message.
No one right now trusts you and almost everybody who frequents this thread has posted there discontent and mistrust for you.
We believe you came hear to derial this conversation and any progress on it.

I am only going to ask one time, Please start your own thread and leave this one alone. If you care about the newcomer you will.

Matt