Awarded machine multiply force from a motor (free energy)

[Apolopy]

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Friends:

The reason because I post this is that, the man got the first prize for his invention in an official goverment contest in Peru, that means that it was check, and cause he present himself in front of the market in swiss, none of this could be done so easy if this was a hoax.

In Sudameric the way information is available is much less that in english speaking contrys or Europe.

And is so often that here you can find inventors that have no money at all.

So poverty and lack of info is every day coin here.

In other circunstanse I would never post this, but I repeat, his goverment awarded his claims, up in the posts you can see the translated web site of the contest he won, and by the media (also in english) en Diploma from the invention exposition.

And also I thing that only with someone in Peru we can find the complete truth about this.

[Farmhand]

I have some questions I think are valid. We all know we can increase power
while energy remains the same. Just connecting a 17 HP generator to a 1 HP
motor means little. I can spin a 28 kilo watt motor by hand, not very fast but
it doesn't require much force to accelerate the rotor.

Is the output power drawn from the generator more than the input power in real time ?

Does it do more load work than the work that drives it ?

I don't see any measurements actually shown. What is the load on the generator ?

Won't the violently shaking weight shake the setup to pieces or at the very
least destroy the bearings at an accelerated rate ?

He says "able to move a boat with a car engine", a very ambiguous
statement. What does it mean ? I can move a boat with a paddle.
People use car engines to power boats all the time, it's common practice for
recreational boats, But for ocean going vessels marine engineered power
plants are advisable for reliability.

A 1.5 kW load on the generator would be good to see. The generator has no
load that I can see. except a meter. I wouldn't like to get hit in the head by
that weight either but that's beside the point.

I'm very skeptical about this. It doesn't add up. Could be it a just media beat up ?

I always get skeptical when long lists of possible benefits are listed before any
real load down tests or stress tests are shown.

Cheers

[Aaron]

Fernando Sixto Ramos

http://feelthevibe.com/free_energy/f...sixtoramos.pdf

http://feelthevibe.com/free_energy/f...sixtoramos.doc

That is a pdf - most I compiled last night of pics from different articles, etc... youtube links - whatever. Couldn't make links in pdf clickable so there is a .doc also.

[Aaron]

Pe05342011 / Pe20100048920

The application # is:

Application number: PE20100048920 20100805 Priority number(s): PE20100048920 20100805

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So this is not a patent # but a "certificate"?

PE05342011 (A1) ― 2011-07-16



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[Michael John Nunnerley]

Peter, I need more time to think about it but the movement of that weight is interesting, think of mapping the top movement through one cycle.

I can't see any other thing except the relation of fly wheel sizes coming into the equation somehow!!!

This brings me back to what we were doing with the perpetual wheel!!!!

Mike

[boguslaw]

Looks like another mechanical exploration of parametric oscillator. Like pendulum with modulated arm length changing gravity center at correct moment.
I think I heard it first from Tom Bearden and then many other found it too. There is no law of conservation of force or work, the same for momentum change in time with proper synchronization. All clasic book examples improperly assume from start that mass,centrifugal force,center of mass are not variable in time.

[Peter Lindemann]

Your Thoughts?

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This is a quick drawing, missing are the other two fly wheels

Mike

Mike,

Thanks for the drawing. From the films, I can see it is possible that what you have drawn is the basis of the machine. The movement seems right. My question would be: Is that all there is to it? If so, why does this simple process produce a force multiplication?

I assume that the simple reverse crank connection between the two shafts cannot produce any benefits that would not show up if we used a simple forward crank arrangement. If this is correct, then the "secret" of the system must lie in the unusual movements of the weight up on the rod, or some other mechanism that is not visible in the films. After all, why would moving the weight in these ways not take the same amount of energy from the prime mover as is recovered? For every motion where the weight is falling in the gravitational field, there is an equal and opposite movement where the weight must be lifted.

What could possibly be happening to produce a gain large enough for a 1HP electric motor to power a 17HP electric generator?

Clearly, the films we have seen do not run the unit up to operating speeds. Nor do they show metered test results with the generator powering a load. So, we are really only at the beginning of gathering information about the system. So far, there is no visible evidence that the machine does what is claimed.

IF this thing works, I predict that the mechanism has features to it that your drawing does not show, besides two missing flywheels.

Peter

[ewizard]

Looks like it has some similarity to the Chas Campbell system (as seen in P.J. Kelly's Free Energy guide) and a couple others I've read about.

This is translated from the web site listed in the video above:
"If we were to summarize in one sentence at Don Sixto, we can say that disability does not mean inability. He has lost his sight but did not stop to invent a Force Multiplier System is capable of moving a boat with a car engine.

By Marco Cabrera
@ Markitocabrera

Sixto Ramos Fernando Solano is the father of eleven children and with the support of his family fulfilled a dream that began in the classrooms of the School of Engineering: Saving energy through the application of an external force.

"It's a system out of range. I used the gravity, mass and length of the distance. This multiplication of force will lower the cost of energy is very useful in the automotive field, in aviation and also be used in hydroelectric power plants and mines, "refers Fernando Sisto.

In this struggle to reach the goal he lost his sight. I used to weld without any protection. This bad practice will destroy the optic nerve leaving him almost blind, as you can only see shadows and some colors.

Also, his brother, the economic mainstay of Ramos, brain cancer was diagnosed. All the money that was meant for the company had to spend to cover the costs of the disease.

"I once offered to create a plant for the production of cocaine in the jungle, you can imagine what they would pay us but we told them not because we are a family of principles," said Hilda Paz, wife of Sixtus.

He overcame adversity

Despite the obstacles, the former student of Don Bosco Salesian school of Callao could invent Force Multiplier System. In December last year won the 10th contest organized by Indecopi Inventions. He passed all tests.

However, this organism defense of intellectual property does not have much appreciation, it is not giving facilities to patent his invention and start generating profit in the company. Without the patent can not sell your System.

"We went to Indecopi and told us that the process of obtaining the patent takes five years. We can not wait that long because we need the money to keep working and keep our own, "says Ramos.

Heading to Switzerland

The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) has invited him to participate in the International Exhibition of Inventions, to be held in Geneva, Switzerland from 18 to 22 April this year.

Sixto travel with his son William, who will help to mobilize. WIPO will not bear the cost of the inventor, so the Ramos family is making strenuous efforts to raise money. They also need the Swiss Card (cost $ 65), a kind of insurance required for entry to the European country.

Savings Accounts

If you are interested in collaborating with Don Sixto, you can deposit in the following savings accounts BBVA Banco Continental.

Sol: 0011-0193-0200241461-09.
In dollars: 0011-0193-0200241418-02.

Phone: 995559464."

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Drawing



This is a quick drawing, missing are the other two fly wheels

Mike

[Apolopy]

Better translation of the Abstrac

Peter and friends:

Here there is a better human translation of the Abstrac;

"That involves two paralel discs united by a shaft, in the middle of those discs there is a bearing that shows Eccentricity, in the prolongation of the shafts there are two axial bearings united by a support, and conected by de cover of the internal bearing to a equal piece and simetric to a convinient distance."

Here there is the translated page of the anual inventions contest in Peru, which Mr. Fernando won with his "Multiplier force system", this prize give him the opportunity to show his work at Geneva.

The most important part is that the Peruvian Contest is a goverment act, so his invention was verified by goverment engineers.

in an interview he says that they check his invention by conecting a 1 hp electric motor, to a 17 hp generator, and worked fine.

I consider that if a goverment give the number one award to this person by the verification of his claims this could be a very serius thing.

I have not found schematics, and i believe that someone living in Peru is our only chance to get more info.


Resultados de traducción para http://www.concursodeinvenciones.pe/

[Michael John Nunnerley]

How this is set up

Hi Folks,

The "Salon International des Inventions de Genève" is nothing more than a Convention for inventors to display their inventions. Inventors purchase booth space to show their work in the hope that some company will buy or license it. The "Diplome" is the equivalent of a "CERTIFICATE" of Merit and does not represent a Patent or anything of the sort.

So, the publicity around this is experiencing some difficulty in translating into English.

That said, The "Mechanical Amplifier" or "Force Multiplier" is an idea I have been working on for a long time and I consider it one of the MOST IMPORTANT ideas that can be explored. Jim Murray demonstrated a mechanical power doubler in the 1990's using "changing rotational references", which seems to be related to the bad translations we are getting about this new system

If this current device works as claimed, it is extremely important. Anything we can find out about how this invention works, including better films of it operating, a better translation of the Patent Abstract, or even diagrams of the mechanism could be very useful to broaden our understanding of the working principles.

Peter

Hi Peter and All

I have broken down how this is set up, as many know I speak Spanish, but that apart i will try and explain what it is made of.

There are two crank shafts in parallel, a connecting bar is connected 180 degrees out of phase "this is difficult to get exactly right and can be seen in the video by the jerking when running". The two pullies are different in size and as connected are increasing revolutions "gearing up", normally you would get a power loss for that increase in revolutions, but in this case I do not think so. Above the center line of the first crank bearing is another bar at 90 degrees and this has a weight on the top of it and when running "as can be seen" creates an oscillation, this oscillation can be seen as "in an electrical circuit" a flyback. The two crank shafts move in oposite directions due to the 180 degree phase shift. On the ends of the crank shafts there are fly wheels which help to smooth out any possible out of phase of the two shafts "like a smoothing cap".

The gain comes from the gearing up "higher rev's" without a drop in POWER, that drop in power "normally" seen is counteracted by the "flyback" oscillation produced by the 90 degree weight above the first bearing. That oscillation is produced by the 180 degree phase shift causing rotation in two directions of the two crank shafts.

By changing the height of the crank I think more power can be achieved "speculation by me" and so gearing up higher also can be achieved. The oscillation in the system gains power from gravitational pull as it falls either side and aids the rotational movement of the crank shafts.

By using very low friction bearings the system would be improved a lot.

My two cents worth as I see it from what is available.

Mike

[Peter Lindemann]

Display at a Convention

Hi Folks,

The "Salon International des Inventions de Genève" is nothing more than a Convention for inventors to display their inventions. Inventors purchase booth space to show their work in the hope that some company will buy or license it. The "Diplome" is the equivalent of a "CERTIFICATE" of Merit and does not represent a Patent or anything of the sort.

So, the publicity around this is experiencing some difficulty in translating into English.

That said, The "Mechanical Amplifier" or "Force Multiplier" is an idea I have been working on for a long time and I consider it one of the MOST IMPORTANT ideas that can be explored. Jim Murray demonstrated a mechanical power doubler in the 1990's using "changing rotational references", which seems to be related to the bad translations we are getting about this new system

If this current device works as claimed, it is extremely important. Anything we can find out about how this invention works, including better films of it operating, a better translation of the Patent Abstract, or even diagrams of the mechanism could be very useful to broaden our understanding of the working principles.

Peter

[Apolopy]

A new video

Here a new video shows the machine working, and the inventor talking.

Conozca a Sixto Ramos, el peruano que inventó el Sistema Multiplicador de Fuerza - YouTube

At the end of the interview, the jurnalist ask him : which rule you use to creat this machine?

And he answer: the free fall of the bodys, two bodys that change the center of gravity, falls.

[Apolopy]

No Aaron, actualy you fund more information than me, here in sudameric contrys is a great news and all big newspapers are covering the invention but we do not have details, maybe someone living in peru can help us.

[Aaron]

patent info

There is only the abstract - any full patent or app somewhere?





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SISTEMA MULTIPLICADOR DE FUERZA


Page bookmark PE05342011 (A1) - SISTEMA MULTIPLICADOR DE FUERZA Inventor(s): RAMOS SOLANO FERNANDO SIXTO [PE] + Applicant(s): SIXTO RAMOS GRANADOS S A C [PE] + Classification: - international: F16H1/22 - European:
Application number: PE20100048920 20100805 Priority number(s): PE20100048920 20100805
Abstract of PE05342011 (A1)


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QUE COMPRENDE DOS DISCOS PARALELOS UNIDOS POR UN EJE, EN EL INTERMEDIO DE ESOS DISCOS HAY UN RODAJE QUE PRESENTA UNA EXTRINCIDAD, EN LA PROLONGACION DE LOS EJES TIENEN COLOCADOS DOS RODAJES AXIALES UNIDOS POR UN SOPORTE, A SU VEZ ESTA CONECTADO POR LA FUNDA DEL RODAJE INTERIOR A UNA PIEZA IGUAL Y SIMETRICA A UNA DISTANCIA CONVENIENTE


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Abstract PE05342011

SIDE RECORDS COMPRISING TWO STATES FOR A SHAFT IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE RECORDS THAT THERE IS A BREAK EXTRINCIDAD INTRODUCES AT THE EXTENSION OF THE AXES ARE PLACED TWO SHOOTING AXIAL SUPPORT BY STATES, IN TURN IS CONNECTED BY SHOOTING COVER INSIDE AN EQUAL AND SYMMETRICAL PART A CONVENIENT DISTANCE