Awarded machine multiply force from a motor (free energy)

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi all, I have noticed this thread is very quite, maybe Mr Ramos's idea needs to be looked at a little harder. When I first drew the step by step motion, I left a few clues in the drawing. First the joining shaft ends did not match the pivots, I thought everybody would pick up on that clue.

Here is a breakdown of what is really happening(refer diagram), as you can see the velocity increases and decreases as the 2nd wheel turns. If you add a flywheel with one-way clutch bearings you will start to understand the incredible action he has accomplished here.

The upward arm is an resonant device that allows the impulse force to be added to the 2nd wheel at the time when the velocity decreases thus maintaining an increase in the rotational momentum of the external flywheel. Adding more wheels will multiply this action many fold. This arm could be placed at different parts of the system, as long as it is functional as a resonator.

I have not had much time to devote to building a prototype of Sixto's machine or do any of the equations that are required, I hope one of the guys on the forum would take the batton. The diagram should help in the design of a practical unit.

Many thanks Regards Arto

Excellent work, nice to see some real dedication here in the phorensics of the invention, and really well explained.

I feel this is an important link, excuse the pun, to creating a system of very cheap energy in motor generator systems. Look at another thread here, UFOPOLITICS, and use his motor generator in tandem sequence, and there you have it.

again well done

Mike

[i_ron]

Hi all, First the joining shaft ends did not match the pivots, I thought everybody would pick up on that clue.

If you add a flywheel with one-way clutch bearings you will start to understand the incredible action he has accomplished here.

Thank you Arto,

I do not understand the first point above. What did you mean?

And the second point, did you mean it should have a one way clutch, or this was just to help in understanding?

I will post pictures of my build for you if you like, no one else seemed to be interested. It is not finished yet so in perhaps a week?

Thanks

Ron

[iflewmyown]

Hello i_ron
I am interested, just really busy on another project. I have a shop and can duplicate in a weekend if you have any luck.
Garry

[artoj]

Clarity

Hi i_ron
Sorry about the unfinished sentence, I was thinking faster than typing.

These points relate to my sequence drawing earlier.

First - the joining shaft end on the second rotor did not match the pivots end, the arm length was alternatively moving off the end pivot.(2nd wheel)
Second - The rotation of the second rotor was even like the main rotor, this is not the way it is in reality, the 2nd rotor has a variable rotation.

The flywheel with one-way clutch bearings, must be visualized, when you have a retarding velocity, the bearing will act in free wheel mode and when you have a increasing velocity or an acceleration you wil have a locked bearing which will allow the transfer of rotation to the flywheel.

I hope this helps, Regards Arto

[i_ron]

Hello i_ron
I am interested, just really busy on another project. I have a shop and can duplicate in a weekend if you have any luck.
Garry

Thanks for the offer Garry! but getting close to finishing up mine. Just a matter of time as you indicate, I too had other things on the go

Ron

[i_ron]

Hi i_ron
Sorry about the unfinished sentence, I was thinking faster than typing.

These points relate to my sequence drawing earlier.

First - the joining shaft end on the second rotor did not match the pivots end, the arm length was alternatively moving off the end pivot.(2nd wheel)
Second - The rotation of the second rotor was even like the main rotor, this is not the way it is in reality, the 2nd rotor has a variable rotation.

The flywheel with one-way clutch bearings, must be visualized, when you have a retarding velocity, the bearing will act in free wheel mode and when you have a increasing velocity or an acceleration you wil have a locked bearing which will allow the transfer of rotation to the flywheel.

I hope this helps, Regards Arto

Thanks Arto,

So the one way clutch is a visualization. I don't see such in Fernando's machines and it is the conflict between the two shaft flywheels that makes this work, right?

Ron

[artoj]

Flywheel

Hi Ron
Yes this is correct, I would hazard a guess that Sixto would not reveal this information, as it seems to be the only way you can drive a generator without fluctuating AC voltages(frequency shifting). The flywheels are there to smooth-out the velocity changes and the one-way bearings are there to impart a impulse to the flywheel.
Regards Arto

[i_ron]

Hi Ron
Yes this is correct, I would hazard a guess that Sixto would not reveal this information, as it seems to be the only way you can drive a generator without fluctuating AC voltages(frequency shifting). The flywheels are there to smooth-out the velocity changes and the one-way bearings are there to impart a impulse to the flywheel.
Regards Arto

Hi Arto,

I have to respectfully disagree at this time about the one way clutches. In Fernando's machine there appears to be no such thing as one way clutches. Good close up here, showing the hub fastened to the shaft with setscrews and where he puts his hands on the two flywheels and turns them (no one way clutch) to align the link for starting...(at 53)

Conozca a Sixto Ramos, el peruano que inventó el Sistema Multiplicador de Fuerza - YouTube

This is very clear also in the small hand cranked model. Your excellent schematic (previous post) with its large offset radius and close set shafts emphasizes the speed differences between the two flywheels but the working model with minimum offset (12mm?) and widely spaced shafts (300 mm?) reduces the effect to more manageable proportions. Note also that with two flywheels per shaft there would have to be two one way clutches per shaft.
I don't see them?

So with the directly coupled generator on the second shaft acting as a flywheel also, the second shaft is clamped to a fixed speed. Thus any speed variation is reflected back to the driven shaft and mitigated in the belt drive.

The obvious downside to Fernando's multiplier is the highly stressed running condition and the out of balance vibration, leading to noise and short life expectancy.

Ron

[i_ron]

Hi Arto,

I have to respectfully disagree at this time about the one way clutches. In Fernando's machine there appears to be no such thing as one way clutches. Good close up here, showing the hub fastened to the shaft with setscrews and where he puts his hands on the two flywheels and turns them (no one way clutch) to align the link for starting...(at 53)

Conozca a Sixto Ramos, el peruano que inventó el Sistema Multiplicador de Fuerza - YouTube

This is very clear also in the small hand cranked model. Your excellent schematic (previous post) with its large offset radius and close set shafts emphasizes the speed differences between the two flywheels but the working model with minimum offset (12mm?) and widely spaced shafts (300 mm?) reduces the effect to more manageable proportions. Note also that with two flywheels per shaft there would have to be two one way clutches per shaft.
I don't see them?

So with the directly coupled generator on the second shaft acting as a flywheel also, the second shaft is clamped to a fixed speed. Thus any speed variation is reflected back to the driven shaft and mitigated in the belt drive.

The obvious downside to Fernando's multiplier is the highly stressed running condition and the out of balance vibration, leading to noise and short life expectancy.

Ron

It discarded my edit twice now so will add here... after "per shaft"

Also the shaft and eccentric are in sync 1:1 on the second shaft - and it is the shaft, directly connected to the generator, that supplies the drive, not a free floating flywheel.

Ron

[artoj]

Improvements

Hi Ron and Others

It would be a clear and definate improvement on this machine utilizing the one way bearings on the out put side only, maybe Sixto does not use them and maybe his offset is closer to the shaft, this is irrelevant,

On my diagramatic model all you need to do is move the centers further apart and the offset becomes smaller, just a small device varation, the one way bearings are good engineering practice as backlash will occur when the 2nd wheels velocity slows down. then you can only rely on small offsets that will still cause the output to vibrate and cause large damping forces in the resonant action. Larger offsets with one-way bearings allow different modes of operation, different resonant modes etc...

This machine is a transformer from a steady rotation to an impulse rotation, if you understand Tesla you will know that this machine is capable of much engineering if you do not lock down the system and allow loose coupling.

The real picture emerges when you try to understand HOW to couple the impulse forces and the resonant weight, this was the purpose of my diagrames, altruism is the key as I will give my researches freely so other can creavtily construct the mathematical model, This machine that Sixto built is a crude model, that clearly works, nothing here is a mystery, only improvements and understanding must be imparted to those who will build it. I commend Sixto on his release of his idea to the world, he knows others will improve it and find out better ways make to it work,

I have drawings of a unit quite different in appearance from Sixtos machine, using the similar principles as he has imparted, I will release this in due time when ALL my equations are finished and ALL physical problems solved, I have actually built this device 4 years ago, not complete as the last parts were not made, with only slight modifcations added as per Sixto's revelation , I can now finish it.

An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all...Oscar Wilde
An idea that is developed and put into action is more important than an idea that exists only as an idea...Buddha
Often the difference between a successful person and a failure is not one has better abilities or ideas, but the courage that one has to bet on one's ideas, to take a calculated risk - and to act....Andre Malraux

Regards Arto

[i_ron]

Hi Ron and Others


I have drawings of a unit quite different in appearance from Sixtos machine, using the similar principles as he has imparted, I will release this in due time when ALL my equations are finished and ALL physical problems solved, I have actually built this device 4 years ago, not complete as the last parts were not made, with only slight modifcations added as per Sixto's revelation , I can now finish it.


Regards Arto

Sounds good Arto, look forward to the finished project

Ron

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi i_ron
Sorry about the unfinished sentence, I was thinking faster than typing.

The flywheel with one-way clutch bearings, must be visualized, when you have a retarding velocity, the bearing will act in free wheel mode and when you have a increasing velocity or an acceleration you wil have a locked bearing which will allow the transfer of rotation to the flywheel.

I hope this helps, Regards Arto

Yes I agree on this and also an increase in flywheel weight will smooth things out and reduce vibration.

I still think that people here do not see where the increase comes from, there are two points to think about, time verses distance inside the 360 degree turn cycle, (distance is equal but the time is a variable), and the relation of gravity force during a 360 degree turn or cycle, the latter being that there is more downward force by gravity (multiplied by flywheel weight) than upward force needed by the driving force..... look at the secound drawing of Arto which is showing a progression of a three multiplier system, go one more and it would probably run itself in a motor generator system.

Arto, I presume you are an engineer because your skills are very good, I am now a bit long in the tooth at nearly 62 years and I now devote my time to my other projects which are now coming to an end but need to be published.

I will be keeping a eye on this thread to see where it comes to.

Mike

[artoj]

Clarity

Hi all, and thanks for the nice comments, remember you get more bees with honey than vinegar.

Here is another addition to the Sixto design, I would not build it as per my picture, it is the exaggeration of the offset that helps you see the real situation.

I hope that my efforts will help to make the Sixtos machine a everyday reality. I like UFOPolitics efforts in showing the asymmetrical nature of motor design, the combination of both types of asymmetry could make some very interesting engineering. I have been working on similar lines in one of my chapters from my book.

If you look at the impulse in the time domain, it is a 1/4 wave system. In the distance domain it is a impulse wave. I will be working on the complete transformations and equivalence to the electrical equations in the near future.

Thank you very much for your support, Regards Arto


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[Peter Lindemann]

Many, Many Thanks!

Dear Arto,

Thank you for taking the time to draw this all out and explain it so well. I was just not getting why this would work. Your detailed posts have started to make sense to me, and I deeply appreciate everything you are sharing.

A real "mechanical amplifier" is the biggest game changer to ever hit the fields of Physics, Mechanics, or the alternative energy arena. The sooner this can be proved out, the better.

Like you, I have other designs for MAs that I think will work, but just have not had time to prove them out.

Thank you, again, for helping us all understand what Sixto Ramos has done.

Peter

[i_ron]

Hi all, and thanks for the nice comments, remember you get more bees with honey than vinegar.

Here is another addition to the Sixto design, I would not build it as per my picture, it is the exaggeration of the offset that helps you see the real situation.

I hope that my efforts will help to make the Sixtos machine a everyday reality. I like UFOPolitics efforts in showing the asymmetrical nature of motor design, the combination of both types of asymmetry could make some very interesting engineering. I have been working on similar lines in one of my chapters from my book.

If you look at the impulse in the time domain, it is a 1/4 wave system. In the distance domain it is a impulse wave. I will be working on the complete transformations and equivalence to the electrical equations in the near future.

Thank you very much for your support, Regards Arto

Arto,

May I have your permission to post your two JPG's on overunity,com?

Thanks, Ron