Radiant energy and electrolysis (ionic/colloidal silver)

[Aaron]

ppm meter

Peter, I came to the same conclusion with the little ppm meter....electrical conductivity.

I bought one because I was testing different water at home and it was marketed as something that could test for "contaminants" as it it had something to detect lead, etc... It shows my purified water as 235ppm, and tap about 275ppm. I dropped a few drops of liquid ionic trace minerals in it and it shot up to 999ppm...the max reading. So it is reading water conductivity. According to that, my meter indicates that my ionic minerals are contaminants and if so, I prefer to have those contaminants! lol

Amigo, you might be able to "challenge" sovereign silver / natural immunogenics company with your silver. I think they have an electron microscope on site. They have analyzed about every silver you can think of in comparison to their own. Just and idea...not sure if they will do it though but never hurts to ask.

[amigo]

I have run a test batch for 30 mins but it doesn't seem there's much particulate content in it, at least when you shine a laser beam through it. EC meter shows about 1 ppm or so, which with the crappy purity of my DW at 0.5 ppm makes the whole batch pretty "weak".

Not sure what to think of it now, I had better results before with conventional methods. Matter a fact when I first started months ago and had no clue about most of these CS things I had 13 ppm batches. Then I started learning more and more and applying more and more of "science" and the ppm kept dropping and dropping. I can barely make 6-7 ppm now with current controlled circuit.

I do not dare challenge anyone, this whole process is so iffy and flakey and depends on solar and lunar cycles as well as possibly on my mood.

[Peter Lindemann]

1 PPM can KICK BUTT!!

I have run a test batch for 30 mins but it doesn't seem there's much particulate content in it, at least when you shine a laser beam through it. EC meter shows about 1 ppm or so, which with the crappy purity of my DW at 0.5 ppm makes the whole batch pretty "weak".

Not sure what to think of it now, I had better results before with conventional methods. Matter a fact when I first started months ago and had no clue about most of these CS things I had 13 ppm batches. Then I started learning more and more and applying more and more of "science" and the ppm kept dropping and dropping. I can barely make 6-7 ppm now with current controlled circuit.

I do not dare challenge anyone, this whole process is so iffy and flakey and depends on solar and lunar cycles as well as possibly on my mood.

Amigo,

If you remember a few posts back, both Aaron and I were telling you that small particle size is more important than PPM rating. I have seen CS with 1 PPM be more effective as a broad spectrum germicide than CS with 10 PPM. Don't be too quick to give up on what you are doing, unless you are committed to failure. None of the literature discusses CS made with a Radiant Oscillator.

Relax. Play around with your set-up. Try an air-core coil. Check out different distilled water sources. If you only do one experiment and stop, you are not going to learn very much.

I think you are on the right track!

Peter

[amigo]

Amigo,

If you remember a few posts back, both Aaron and I were telling you that small particle size is more important than PPM rating. I have seen CS with 1 PPM be more effective as a broad spectrum germicide than CS with 10 PPM. Don't be too quick to give up on what you are doing, unless you are committed to failure. None of the literature discusses CS made with a Radiant Oscillator.

Relax. Play around with your set-up. Try an air-core coil. Check out different distilled water sources. If you only do one experiment and stop, you are not going to learn very much.

I think you are on the right track!

Peter

Thank you for the encouraging words Peter.

Somehow I always set myself up for a failure because I over-examine and over-think things, until I beat the life out of them. There's some absolute result or a solution I keep looking for that might not even be possible. I seem to think way too big for the present moment and rather than taking small steps I make large jumps.

I will stick with my current setup with an air-core coil, but will look to buy my own DW maker since I have tried all available brands and they all had over 0.4 ppm which seems pretty high for DW.

[Peter Lindemann]

PPM Meter Joke again...

Thank you for the encouraging words Peter.

Somehow I always set myself up for a failure because I over-examine and over-think things, until I beat the life out of them. There's some absolute result or a solution I keep looking for that might not even be possible. I seem to think way too big for the present moment and rather than taking small steps I make large jumps.

I will stick with my current setup with an air-core coil, but will look to buy my own DW maker since I have tried all available brands and they all had over 0.4 ppm which seems pretty high for DW.

Amigo,

Your PPM Meter has never measured ANYTHING except the electrical resistance in the water. If you found a water that read ZERO on your meter, that would mean you could NOT make colloidal silver with that water because it wouldn't conduct any electricity AT ALL!

Save your money, don't buy a water distiller, and start testing the EFFECTIVENESS of the CS you are making. Oh, and donate the meter to the first fool you can find who still believes it measures PPM.

Peter

[ecc]

Radiant Silver?

Hi Amigo,

I built and sold Colloidal Silver Generators for over 10 years. This link takes you to an article I wrote for Borderlands Magazine back in 1997. Its a good background piece.

Colloidal Silver Generators | "A Closer Look" by Peter Lindemann

Please read this article before commenting further. It covers most of the issues you are discussing. I paid for the lab testing for particle size and total dissolved solids, and went back to the Chemistry books from 100 years ago to get the right answers.

I completely agree with Aaron. Particle SIZE is the most important issue. It has to do with two very import realities. First, by making the particles smaller, the total SURFACE AREA of the silver's interface with the environment gets larger. There are also more particles for the same concentration. Second, by making the particles smaller, they can PENETRATE more different kinds of tissue in the body, and get to more locations, producing a better, all around benefit.

Both John Bedini and I have experimented with making Colloidal Silver with his Radiant Oscillators. The particle size is super small and nothing ever precipitates after the solution is put in a brown bottle. The SG motor works fine, but the solid-state oscillators are simpler for this purpose. Use the standard, one diode, rectified output to the silver electrodes in distilled water.

Its cheap, its easy, and the product is excellent.

Peter

Hi Peter and All,

As I have been trying silver colloid for years, also making simple generators and reseaching the field, I am quite interested to hear about this new development. Btw, I found your article back then a real breeze among all that hype.

Renaissance Charger offers a Bedini designed charger on their website.

Products Renaissance Charge LLC Solid State Radiant Chargers and Motor Generators

Would that device be suitable for colloidal silver making?
What are your thoughts on what the radiative charge does for the silver colloid - just small particle size or perhaps something else like a residual radiant charge in the water or the silver particle? Is there anything you find worth reporting from users (perhaps yourself) of this radiant silver colloid?

I have entertained the idea of imprinting water with the silver (or other beneficial) information by using a multilayer energy concentrator not unlike the orgone accumulator or blanket, only smaller, around a glass vessel (bottle), as this device could be possibly be used to prepare an emergency antibioticum (silver water) without batteries. But perhaps one would need larger amounts of directional (dielectric?, orgone?) flow to have an imprinting and beneficial effect.
Apparently the German company Penergetic uses a massive kind of orgone shooter to prepare and transfer information to their products, like this water revitalising device
How the AquaKat works

I would appreciate your comments.

Best regards

Eckhard

[Peter Lindemann]

Welcome to the forum

Hi Peter and All,

As I have been trying silver colloid for years, also making simple generators and reseaching the field, I am quite interested to hear about this new development. Btw, I found your article back then a real breeze among all that hype.

Renaissance Charger offers a Bedini designed charger on their website.

Products Renaissance Charge LLC Solid State Radiant Chargers and Motor Generators

Would that device be suitable for colloidal silver making?
What are your thoughts on what the radiative charge does for the silver colloid - just small particle size or perhaps something else like a residual radiant charge in the water or the silver particle? Is there anything you find worth reporting from users (perhaps yourself) of this radiant silver colloid?

I have entertained the idea of imprinting water with the silver (or other beneficial) information by using a multilayer energy concentrator not unlike the orgone accumulator or blanket, only smaller, around a glass vessel (bottle), as this device could be possibly be used to prepare an emergency antibioticum (silver water) without batteries. But perhaps one would need larger amounts of directional (dielectric?, orgone?) flow to have an imprinting and beneficial effect.
Apparently the German company Penergetic uses a massive kind of orgone shooter to prepare and transfer information to their products, like this water revitalising device
How the AquaKat works

I would appreciate your comments.

Best regards

Eckhard

Dear Eckhard,

I'm glad you enjoyed my article, now written over 10 years ago.

The Renaissance Charger will NOT make colloidal silver. This device is a "SMART" charger with a computer controlled circuit. If it doesn't sense being connected to a battery, it won't even turn on.

If you want to make CS with a Radiant Oscillator, you have to build your own.

I have not experimented recently with CS made with a Radiant Oscillator. 7 years ago, I had an extensive series of Blood Ozonation sessions, which completely rebuilt my immune system. Since that time, I just don't get sick anymore, so have not needed to use CS for anything.

I can tell you that I did recently build an Orgone Accumulator and had to disassemble it because it collected a great deal of negative quality energy, which I believe was caused by proximity to Cell Phone Towers. Be careful if you try anything like what you mention above.

Beyond that, I am not familiar with the AquaKat product, so I can't comment on it.

Peter

[Jetijs]

I can tell you that I did recently build an Orgone Accumulator and had to disassemble it because it collected a great deal of negative quality energy, which I believe was caused by proximity to Cell Phone Towers. Be careful if you try anything like what you mention above.

Peter

Peter, did you use quartz crystals in your orgone accumulator? It is said, that quartz crystal is like an orgone diode, it turns bad orgone into good orgone. I have made some so called holy hand grenades (HHG) with a crystal inside and did not notice any negative effects whatsoever. But the water near an HHG freezes with "spikes" in it, also I made a test which showed, that plants are growing faster if an orgone accumulator like HHG is placed near them. Here's some info:
How to Make Orgonite
It's basically some epoxy resin, some iron fillings an d a crystal mixed together. Reminds me of that iron filling cylinder that you used in your electric motor video to fold the magnetic field
Also I have made an clourbuster, like in the site above. I must say, that I get some good results with it. It's not very powerful, but theres definitely something interesting happening around that cloudbuster
Thanks,
Gatis

[amigo]

Peter,

Do you remember from the days when you were making CS with RE if external factors influence the quality of CS.

I have read elsewhere that Moon phases apparently have some sort of effect and found it silly at first. But just this month I have made several batches days apart just to find out that they all appear different (at least when a laser is shined looking for the Tindall effect) even though I have used the same setup and time of brewing.

The batch I made in the 1st quarter of the Moon (New Moon) had a clear almost invisible Tindall after day or so. And yet when conductivity is measured (I know you don't like that part ) it showed higher PPM than for example the one I made just few days ago which exhibits a visible Tindall effect, though no significant glitter of any large particles in either of the batches.

I really do not know what else to contribute this to, because I follow the same procedure for brewing and cleaning my glassware. I use the same electrode setup (although I switch the polarity on each brew to maintain equal depletion of Silver) and the same RE solid-state oscillator from the FEG book.

[ecc]

Orgone blanket and Moonlight

To Peter:

>I can tell you that I did recently build an Orgone Accumulator and had to disassemble it because it collected a great deal of negative quality energy, which I believe was caused by proximity to Cell Phone Towers. Be careful if you try anything like what you mention above.<


Thank you, Peter. That really seems to be an important point to consider. We may not know what else beside silver could go into the preparation.

As you seem to be interested in matters orgone : A Russian company has developed a modern kind of orgone blanket which I find quite beneficial.
Enclosed in a woolen cover are plastic films coated with metallic layers which are said to shield from radiations, at the same time reflecting back the natural body emanations. That - in my opinion - may also give an informational feedback to the body which -analogue to urine therapy - may provide the body with energetic information for self regulation.

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To Amigo:

There is an Borderlands article : Lunar Influence on the Electrochemical Production of Colloidal Silver

Lunar Influence on the Production of Electrochemical Colloidal Silver

which you might find helpful.

Cheers

Eckhard

[amigo]

Eckhard,

thanks for the link, I should really spend some serious time on the Borderlands website.

So how about those blankets in the North America, has anyone picked up the distribution or are we falling behind, as always, in the alternative field?

I tend to agree with Tom Bearden about the vast amount of information that was gathered by Russian scientists in the past 50 years that's totally out of our reach because of the language barrier - no one has translated it yet...

[ecc]

Orgone Healing Blanket

Hi Amigo,

Some more infos about the Russian blanket from the Australian site of Enlightened Therapies:

Orgone Energy Blanket

A Canadian copy of the Russian blanket in I believe good quality is available from :

Solaris Blanket - MediSCEN

Check out also their Scenar devices - an very effective and fast technology (my experience in treating others and myself) - also from Russia. These biofeedback controlled devices stimulate the body's anti pain, fast healing and adaptation responses for a wide range of conditions, even chronic.
The technology was first developed for the Russian space program to allow effective treatments without drugs. Almost a miracle machine.

Sorry to be a bit off topic from The CS.

Cheers

Eckhard

[amigo]

Thanks again for the links.

Have you used any of these yourself?

I see this Canadian seller is not too far (an hours drive), I just wonder what kind of a "doctor" is Dr. Irina, no info on the site about her?

There's way too many New Age "doctors" that sell snake oil (not saying this is one of them, but it could be) but I'm always skeptical about them after seeing many who's products do not accomplish much except empty the pockets of unsuspecting (and desperate) people.

I have a feeling that Scenar is another square wave generator with skin resistance feedback...

[ecc]

Scenar

To Amigo

Yes, I have used two models of the AccuScen, 3 models of the OKB Ritm original Scenar and the Enar from the Australian company. Even the most basic of those tried give good results, kind of an emergency doctor
in your pocket, I have been treating : pains, sprains, spider bites, torn ligaments, chest infections etc, etc. . The devices encourage the body through their adaptive biofeedback signal to mobilise its own healing reserves and body chemicals, often shortening healing or recovery times considerably. Your own body knows best.
If you are interested do some research on the net perhaps start with the links already supplied and explore those sites. From what I have heard, Dr Irina is a medical doctor of Russian descent who has specialised in this kind of energetic modalities and who has an good reputation in the international Scenar therapist community.

[ecc]

Scenar - Radiant Energy

An afterthought concerning the shape of electrical signal put out by the Scenar devices - a very short and steep pulse.
Could the body have a capacitive function for the high voltage signal and have a build up and inrush of radiant energy in the tissue? I never thought of that before, but it is quite possible. Certainly the effects are not like those of ordinairy TENS or other electro therapeutic devices I have come across.