Radiant energy and electrolysis (ionic/colloidal silver)

[Aaron]

ormus

I met with Barry Carter when he was at a friends house in town. I saw a lot of pics, video clips, etc... very interesting. I tried the gold but of course cannot validate what it was. Salty as the saline solution is supposed to stabilize it.

Adam Ant, you mention the atomic arrangement...cooper paired you're talking about? Basically superconductor state?

No matter how long it lasts, I just see it as a wild dipole that breaks the symmetry of the aether drawing it into the person.

If diatomic gold or more massive, in homeopathy, etc... abundance of metallic gold is said to cause suicidal tendencies...how to get around this?

to my understanding the transmutation is quark flipping business and can happen with the radiant energy. negative energy time reversed phenomena can cause the nucleus (protons and neutrons) to repel and when the (time reversed domain) flips forward again, it attracts and some quarks could flip changing the proton count. I don't have experience with it personally but the negative energy concepts are definitely room temperature and can even cause the circuits to become cooler than room temperature without extra input.

[adam ant]

amigo,
you are correct in your reference to the ORMUS(technically ORME), and it's affiliated sites.
the gold i refer to is the pure element AU. Gold, no matter who produces it, CANNOT exist for very long in a monatomic state, only a few moments. so any company advertising monatomic gold has not done their homework properly. the furthest that AU (gold) can be broken down is it's diatomic existence for any length of time.

we have found that concentrating on ONE element to enhance a person's special "abilities" is a grave error. this is also apparent in colloidal silver as well. it is kind of like taking aspirin, which is simply willow bark that has been industrially altered, bleached, and stripped of all it's natural buffers. sure, it can help a headache, just as colloidal silver or ORMUS can help in certain areas, but it is an incomplete picture. using the willowbark would be much more beneficial, with ZERO side effects.

this universe is composed of many different elements, ALL of which our bodies are designed to utilize. if we concentrate on one or two of these elements, our bodies will become unbalanced, and unstable. each natural element has a specific purpose in life, and for the understanding of this thread, they have specific purposes in regards to energy control, some direct ether, some block it, some channel it, and some enhance it, and they have the same functions for our bodies. too much enhancement without enough blocking and you get burned out.
each element also has mutiple "levels" of existance. the current Table of the Elements is WAY off in regards to this. Walter Russel table is close, but still only shows ONE level of an elements existence. (you can see his table in my profile picture)



we currently do not offer any products for general public usage simply because the general public cannot safely use our products. without going through a proper cleansing cycle, the product would be of no real use anyways, as they would quickly revert back to their old selves.(if they even made it that far)


ill keep my responses short, as i can write about this stuff for hours.

ill answer your questions as best as i can, without giving away proprietary info. i can give many hints, and precursors to the final product--- which is the real egyptian MFKTZ or Manna.

-sleep tight

[Peter Lindemann]

I am limited....

Hi Peter,

I do not have that book yet, would it be possible for you to post the circuit here instead? Does that circuit still need moving parts (motor assembly with magnets)?


Thanks again.

Amigo,

I worked for John Bedini's company for over a year and a half. I have signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement and am legally limited in what I can tell you. I recommend that you buy the book and figure out the rest from what I have said. What is published is available for you to experiment with. I cannot show you or anyone else final circuits that have not been published by John. Sorry.

The solid-state circuits do not need any magnets and do not have any moving parts.

Peter

[adam ant]

The solid-state circuits do not need any magnets and do not have any moving parts

this sounds like what Tom Bearden is doing.

[amigo]

Amigo,

I worked for John Bedini's company for over a year and a half. I have signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement and am legally limited in what I can tell you. I recommend that you buy the book and figure out the rest from what I have said. What is published is available for you to experiment with. I cannot show you or anyone else final circuits that have not been published by John. Sorry.

The solid-state circuits do not need any magnets and do not have any moving parts.

Peter

Thanks for the reply Peter. When you say final circuit, that would mean that the book and the page you describe does not have a final circuit either; or that by applying changes you have mentioned to me above would make it usable in the CS application?

Sorry to be such a pain, I have never been good with electronics theory (of closed circuits) and now this open circuit stuff is just making me confused even more.

By the way, in the circuit you describe is the supply voltage still 12V that I would use for CS or do I bump that up to 30V?

Kind Regards.

[amigo]

amigo,
you are correct in your reference to the ORMUS(technically ORME), and it's affiliated sites.
the gold i refer to is the pure element AU. Gold, no matter who produces it, CANNOT exist for very long in a monatomic state, only a few moments. so any company advertising monatomic gold has not done their homework properly. the furthest that AU (gold) can be broken down is it's diatomic existence for any length of time.

we have found that concentrating on ONE element to enhance a person's special "abilities" is a grave error. this is also apparent in colloidal silver as well. it is kind of like taking aspirin, which is simply willow bark that has been industrially altered, bleached, and stripped of all it's natural buffers. sure, it can help a headache, just as colloidal silver or ORMUS can help in certain areas, but it is an incomplete picture. using the willowbark would be much more beneficial, with ZERO side effects.

this universe is composed of many different elements, ALL of which our bodies are designed to utilize. if we concentrate on one or two of these elements, our bodies will become unbalanced, and unstable. each natural element has a specific purpose in life, and for the understanding of this thread, they have specific purposes in regards to energy control, some direct ether, some block it, some channel it, and some enhance it, and they have the same functions for our bodies. too much enhancement without enough blocking and you get burned out.
each element also has mutiple "levels" of existance. the current Table of the Elements is WAY off in regards to this. Walter Russel table is close, but still only shows ONE level of an elements existence. (you can see his table in my profile picture)

we currently do not offer any products for general public usage simply because the general public cannot safely use our products. without going through a proper cleansing cycle, the product would be of no real use anyways, as they would quickly revert back to their old selves.(if they even made it that far)


ill keep my responses short, as i can write about this stuff for hours.

ill answer your questions as best as i can, without giving away proprietary info. i can give many hints, and precursors to the final product--- which is the real egyptian MFKTZ or Manna.

-sleep tight

I totally agree about needing more than one elemental supplement. We have become severely deficient in many trace elements and there's no knowing what kind of effect they really do in the bio-electrical processes in the human body, especially on the molecular and atomic level.

My interest in CS is of a supplemental nature indeed and since I still cannot transmute other trace elements myself *hint hint*, I have to stick with what I got.

I cannot say I'm obsessed with this whole area of healing, but I had a very vivid dream year ago in which I held a small device (possibly of my own design) which I knew was used to diagnose and heal people from any kind of mis-alignment. It was based on sound (or some variation thereof, after all sound is a vibration, could've been a scalar device ).

Ever since, I have been looking and researching works of people such as Rife, Lakhovsky, Beck, Skilling, etc, beside this alternative energy field which I feel ties together with the operation of the human body (we are part of the larger system while being a system onto itself).

Sadly, when Skilling is mentioned, I cannot find much practical reference to his works (circuit schematics and such). There are just "urban legends" about his designs, what they did and how they would operate in theory, but that's about it.

In any case, I'm not good in circuit design or orthodox electronics theory, I just understand things here and there and am pretty good in practical part.
One of my skills is being able at times to connect two (or more) seemingly different and unrelated items/objects/abstracts/fields of application into a third one, creating something totally new.

[adam ant]

actually, im not very good at the electrical side of things either, thats why im hanging around here. we have two guys that do all of the circuits, one guy does welding (and i do some as well), another guy routes the machines layouts, others distribute, two guys are developing the web site, and i myself do a lot of the hidden quantum discoveries, cymatics, and table work, and we all have done the ancient technology researching.

by the way, healing, cleansing, and strengthening, is only the beginning of what can be accomplished. those are just simple physical issues. we are currently working on Quantum/Spiritual Theosis protocols.
as they say "cleanliness is Next-- to Godliness" (if you want to be near God, be-come clean)

[amigo]

actually, im not very good at the electrical side of things either, thats why im hanging around here. we have two guys that do all of the circuits, one guy does welding (and i do some as well), another guy routes the machines layouts, others distribute, two guys are developing the web site, and i myself do a lot of the hidden quantum discoveries, cymatics, and table work, and we all have done the ancient technology researching.

by the way, healing, cleansing, and strengthening, is only the beginning of what can be accomplished. those are just simple physical issues. we are currently working on Quantum/Spiritual Theosis protocols.
as they say "cleanliness is Next-- to Godliness" (if you want to be near God, be-come clean)

My question then is what is your intent with all these (re)discoveries? Seeing that you have half a dozen people working on this, is there a for-profit notion somewhere in there?

Personally I always felt that human life should come before anything material including money, so any means of healing people should ultimately be brought for free (Communism LOL), though I do support the idea that one has to keep themselves afloat and liquid in order to survive and invest into new things...just that there should be a limit to how much money one really needs to live a decent life ("professional" athletes always come to mind on that one ).

[adam ant]

actually, most of us are poor as can be. our ultimate motives are for the greater good of mankind. personal gain is not even on our mindset.

once our secondary machine is up and running, we wont need an external source of income, and all products for healing will be free. any other forms of products, technologies etc. will be only distributed discreetly, and with good reason. we wont even be patenting this stuff, because it is so far out there that current mainstream science would not even be able to reverse engineer our products.

they cant even explain why there is glass in certain ancient cathedrals that remain unbroken, and are original... even after hundreds of years. you can throw a rock at these windows and not be able to break them.
they dont realize that these are crystallized alumino-silicates, way beyond their grasp that the ancients knew more about science than they do.

-

[amigo]

Amigo,

The simplest circuit to use is based on the solid-state oscillator found on page 46 of Bearden's book Free Energy Generation. The trigger winding is connected to the transistor base with a 2k resistor, and the base is connected to the Emitter with a 10K resistor and to the collector with an 18K resistor. This arrangement sets the TRANSISTOR into oscillation. This is what John called his "self-oscillating" circuit. Not all transistors will oscillate this way, but some will. The BD234C is one that works. A single diode off the second winding (like the Simplified School Girl circuit) goes to the positive silver electrode and the negative silver electrode is connected to the top of the coil. The third coil and everything else can be eliminated.

This circuit makes excellent, small particle colloidal silver.

Peter

Hi Peter, are you still with me on this subject?

My book finally arrived and the page 46 circuit depicts a standard monopole motor patent. Is that the circuit I should be using for the solid state version because the resistor values you named above are the same in the circuit.

I thought that the point of the circuit was not to have self-oscillation in the configuration presented in the book since it's supposed to work as a monopole motor?

Also, is the coil air coil or does it have the core inside (my guess is air since there is no magnet passing by it)?

What kind of source voltage do I provide to it, keep the 12V or ... since you know how most people say 30V is the sweet spot for the CS?

How long do I need to "brew" the CS solution for (from your empirical experience)? Would EC/TDS count be any worth while measurement in this case or should I not rely on it and simply run for a fixed number of minutes/hours?

Thanks again.

[Peter Lindemann]

OK, let's get into it..

Hi Peter, are you still with me on this subject?

My book finally arrived and the page 46 circuit depicts a standard monopole motor patent. Is that the circuit I should be using for the solid state version because the resistor values you named above are the same in the circuit.

I thought that the point of the circuit was not to have self-oscillation in the configuration presented in the book since it's supposed to work as a monopole motor?

Also, is the coil air coil or does it have the core inside (my guess is air since there is no magnet passing by it)?

What kind of source voltage do I provide to it, keep the 12V or ... since you know how most people say 30V is the sweet spot for the CS?

How long do I need to "brew" the CS solution for (from your empirical experience)? Would EC/TDS count be any worth while measurement in this case or should I not rely on it and simply run for a fixed number of minutes/hours?

Thanks again.

Amigo,

OK, thanks for buying the book. Now you have everything John has published. The diagram on page 46 says: "Full Diagram of the Radiant Energy Charger Using an SCR". It also says that the drawing is covered by the "Mono-Pole Motor Patent" but the drawing does NOT have a wheel with magnets shown, like the diagram on page 47!

This diagram is NOT of a motor, but a solid-state oscillator. When the switch is closed, the oscillator starts immediately.

Air core or iron core both work, but air core units oscillate faster. This may or may not be useful to your purpose, so try both.

The resistor values given are appropriate for the 12 volt battery supply shown. For CS production, or simple battery charging, the single diode off the power winding at the emitter is sufficient (like the simplified SG motor circuit). The diode is connected so that the anode connects to the emitter of the transistor and the cathode is the output. The output of the diode cathode produces the positive (+) terminal and the connection to the top of the coil produces the negative (-) terminal.

Don't worry about the "30 volts" input, as that is for pure DC systems, and does not relate to this method.

As for batch time, it all depends on: 1) the quality of your distilled water, 2) quantity of water (8oz, 16oz, 32oz, etc), and 3) the size and length of your silver electrodes. In other words, put the system together and WING IT.

Peter

[amigo]

Excellent! I have already put this circuit together and am running a test batch with 12 fl oz of DW.

Right now I have the core in the coil, but I feel it will work better without it. I have built another solid-state circuit couple of days ago based on a schematic from the Bedini_SG yahoo group (by Jeremy) and that one seemed to work better without a core so I'm guessing this one will as well.

Thanks.

[amigo]

Peter,

after running a first batch with a simple setup (12 fl oz DW, two 7" [submerged] electrodes curved in a U ) for two hours my TDS meter shows around 7 ppm, so my guess once that settles down in 12-24 hrs it will go down to 6.5 perhaps.

I've noticed the crystalline structures of silver growing from the negative electrode and some of those large chunks remained in the solution after the electrodes were removed.

What is your take on keeping the brew going for an extended period of time and letting those structures build up into a tree or a web?

Did you use a stirrer (I have built a magnetic stirrer myself but not used this in this run) when you were brewing your CS?

[Peter Lindemann]

Batch Time, TDS, PPM, and other non-sense

Peter,

after running a first batch with a simple setup (12 fl oz DW, two 7" [submerged] electrodes curved in a U ) for two hours my TDS meter shows around 7 ppm, so my guess once that settles down in 12-24 hrs it will go down to 6.5 perhaps.

I've noticed the crystalline structures of silver growing from the negative electrode and some of those large chunks remained in the solution after the electrodes were removed.

What is your take on keeping the brew going for an extended period of time and letting those structures build up into a tree or a web?

Did you use a stirrer (I have built a magnetic stirrer myself but not used this in this run) when you were brewing your CS?

Amigo,

One half hour is about as long as you can go with a system like this before you need to wipe the electrodes off. The black residue is not the product you are looking for.....obviously.

TDS stands for Total Dissolved Solids. PPM stands for Parts Per Million. PPM is a RATIO, not a measurement of anything. Correctly done, TDS is measured in mg/L (milli-grams per Liter) which is a real quantity. These types of measurements can only be done in a lab. Most of the little "meters" that claim to measure this are probably measuring changes in the electrical conductivity of the water. This is a "guess" at TDS, nothing more.

This type of "meter" gives people the opportunity to believe they know more than they really do. Its like the "current meter" in electrical circuits. People believe these meters measure "current", but they don't. They measure the "voltage drop" across a calibrated resistor, and CALCULATE the implied current based on Ohm's Law! The only thing actually being MEASURED is a small VOLTAGE. No currents are actually being measured in spite of the fact that the meter face is labeled AMPS.

So, forget about your silly little TDS meter. If it reads out in PPM, then you should know its a joke, since PPM isn't even a measurement of anything.

The real test of your new Colloidal Silver is......how well does it work!!!!!

Make a 30 minute batch, and check it out.

Peter

[amigo]

Thank you again for your insights, it makes so much difference when someone has already done these things - we don't have to go and re-invent hot water

Yeah I have one of those HM Digital combo meters, after all it was what was suggested to be used on the CS groups on yahoo if electron microscopy is not available.

I'll make a 30 minute run and see what happens. I just wish I had access to an electron microscope...