Symmetric versus Asymmetric Electromagnetic Systems

[Ufopolitics]

Sorry...Wonza,not close...

No magnets.. Interesting!

I'm going to take a wild stab and say you could have two coils next to each other, and charge then both in opposite directions, causing each half to be attracted to the other coil, then when they're aligned the voltage switches on both causing the closest sides to repel and then the other sides to attract again. Or something like that, though I'm probably way off

Hello Wonza,


Sorry but you misunderstood me when I wrote about PM ...read me again...I said for small and medium applications work perfect also...I was referring the set-up could be scaled up to any desired size, then it will work best with wound stators...

Sorry but your stab went through the air...

Regards

Ufopolitics

[wonza]

It clearly did you saying it doesnt require PM made me think that was more of a requirement. Your comment about the two radioshack motors in the other thread made me think this too. Please forgive my noobnees- still trying to learn.

Am I right in thinking the setup will require a circuit-timer side, to control a switching or a pulse of voltage?

[Ufopolitics]

No Timer Controller required either...

It clearly did you saying it doesnt require PM made me think that was more of a requirement. Your comment about the two radioshack motors in the other thread made me think this too. Please forgive my noobnees- still trying to learn.

Am I right in thinking the setup will require a circuit-timer side, to control a switching or a pulse of voltage?

Sorry Wonza...
The set up (Motors) could easily run just directly from battery terminals (linear), but, of course, you will be running them at full speed...so, yes, to control speed is just like any other motor...with a pulsed controller.
Sorry Man!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

[wonza]

Sorry Wonza...
The set up (Motors) could easily run just directly from battery terminals (linear), but, of course, you will be running them at full speed...so, yes, to control speed is just like any other motor...with a pulsed controller.
Sorry Man!!

Regards

Ufopolitics

Don't be sorry! thats awesome! If it really is that simple I mean. I was mostly wanting to know if I would need any other parts. I pretty much have nothing, not even a soldering iron or multimeter- I barely remembered how a motor worked a week a go, so you please go easy on me

[Les_K]

other Ideas...

Well, This is getting interesting. This all had me thinking back to the ecklin patent... in particular this section here...
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg

Then I was thinking about something Peter Lindemann did on a motor here
Peter Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor 2b - YouTube

Peter removed the windings and got the timing just right as far as I can tell it is essentially an SSG. But I think it is limited to the inductive kickback.

To me inductive kickback and EMF, CEMF are not the same thing. I agree with Bedini on this point that EMF is always going to be lower than the input voltage.
I like what you said UFO and as you describe the schematic at the beginning of your other thread that inductive kickback is what generates the Cold energy.
So we have to look at four things in this process. First the hot energy we introduce into a motor to make it run. At that moment it has infinite torque because there is no Bemf. then as the motor comes up to speed the lower voltage Bemf begins to raise in voltage to work in opposition to the hot energy we put in and as the two meet equilibrium, the RPM'S are locked in. (this is how I understand it anyway)
The third event that takes place is the inductive kickback. This is the high voltage spike (also called flyback) that then can be captured and charge batteries etc. if not tuned properly this is as far as most builds of the SSG get. But as you have described UFO there is a fourth component that is generated by the inductive kickback which you refer to as cold electricity (I like that better than negative energy). It is created by the inductive kickback very much like the inductive kickback is created by the hot energy spike into a coil. So As I understand, this is where the whole trick to asymmetry resides. if you don't do it right you don't get ICE cold batteries, transistors, motors etc.

Is this anywhere close to your ideas?

Les

[john_g]

Extra Commutator

Hi

I had a go at using an extra commutator on a motor last year, which enables the motor to be pulsed automatically - maybe it's relevant here? Just wondering if the spike was put into the second motor, and they are connected back-to-back, the spike would tend to drive the second motor in the same direction as the first, and I suspect an even bigger spike will be produced by that motor?

You can see the pics here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post135844

Regards

John

[Ufopolitics]

Yes Les, very interesting indeed...

Well, This is getting interesting. This all had me thinking back to the ecklin patent... in particular this section here...
http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg

Then I was thinking about something Peter Lindemann did on a motor here
Peter Lindemann Rotary Attraction Motor 2b - YouTube

Peter removed the windings and got the timing just right as far as I can tell it is essentially an SSG. But I think it is limited to the inductive kickback.

To me inductive kickback and EMF, CEMF are not the same thing. I agree with Bedini on this point that EMF is always going to be lower than the input voltage.
I like what you said UFO and as you describe the schematic at the beginning of your other thread that inductive kickback is what generates the Cold energy.
So we have to look at four things in this process. First the hot energy we introduce into a motor to make it run. At that moment it has infinite torque because there is no Bemf. then as the motor comes up to speed the lower voltage Bemf begins to raise in voltage to work in opposition to the hot energy we put in and as the two meet equilibrium, the RPM'S are locked in. (this is how I understand it anyway)
The third event that takes place is the inductive kickback. This is the high voltage spike (also called flyback) that then can be captured and charge batteries etc. if not tuned properly this is as far as most builds of the SSG get. But as you have described UFO there is a fourth component that is generated by the inductive kickback which you refer to as cold electricity (I like that better than negative energy). It is created by the inductive kickback very much like the inductive kickback is created by the hot energy spike into a coil. So As I understand, this is where the whole trick to asymmetry resides. if you don't do it right you don't get ICE cold batteries, transistors, motors etc.

Is this anywhere close to your ideas?



Les

Hi Les,

Yes, It is very interesting...

The thing is, We have to differentiate between "Real C EMF" and the Effect created just because of the Symmetrical Configuration...Once that we understand that, (By getting rid of the Symmetry,then in the Asymmetrical Model We could see the "Real C EMF" at work...isolated from our Input ??!!(Nikola Tesla: Emphasizing ALWAYS in most of His Patents, to keep "Independent Pairs, or Groups of Pairs in Armature-Stator Coils") and ready to be taken out...I have built very clear models between the "Two Worlds", and now I have made them in 3D for better understanding of the technical disclosure...so you guys could see the "Light"...it is there...

The Symmetrical Model, all it does, is to FORCE a Counter Effect, projected against our own Input at 180 degrees (for a two brush system, now, for a four brush, is every 90 degrees in our Quadrant)...But that is NOT Real Back EMF...

The Real Back EMF only develops, thrives when we let the Coil "idle" independently from the rest, even for a Nano-second of time...just like an Inductor does when electronically pulsed in a Booster Converter board...or in my other set-up of Coil and diodes..And then, We will all come up to the final conclusion, like I did...The "Real Back EMF is nothing more than Radiant Energy...that's it Les...

Regards


Ufopolitics

[Les_K]

Hi Les,

Yes, It is very interesting...

The thing is, We have to differentiate between "Real C EMF" and the Effect created just because of the Symmetrical Configuration...Once that we understand that, (By getting rid of the Symmetry,then in the Asymmetrical Model We could see the "Real C EMF" at work...isolated from our Input ??!!(Nikola Tesla: Emphasizing ALWAYS in most of His Patents, to keep "Independent Pairs, or Groups of Pairs in Armature-Stator Coils") and ready to be taken out...I have built very clear models between the "Two Worlds", and now I have made them in 3D for better understanding of the technical disclosure...so you guys could see the "Light"...it is there...

The Symmetrical Model, all it does, is to FORCE a Counter Effect, projected against our own Input at 180 degrees (for a two brush system, now, for a four brush, is every 90 degrees in our Quadrant)...But that is NOT Real Back EMF...

The Real Back EMF only develops, thrives when we let the Coil "idle" independently from the rest, even for a Nano-second of time...just like an Inductor does when electronically pulsed in a Booster Converter board...or in my other set-up of Coil and diodes..And then, We will all come up to the final conclusion, like I did...The "Real Back EMF is nothing more than Radiant Energy...that's it Les...

Regards


Ufopolitics

Yes, the light does need to come on for sure..
John bedini is always saying it's all right in front of us. Although I see it, I am like so many others, programmed by conventional thinking. This makes it tough to get through that last bit.

That is why I felt it important to have the two little motors, I can tell this is going to take some visual and hands on experience.

I am certain when we see your 3D views we are going to see the light

Thanks Again UFO... Very enlightening

Les

[JohnStone]

Some more details available on "If We only knew the magnificence of 3,6,9...will know many secrets of the Universe..."? Totally opaque for my mind. Where are the relations from solfeggio frequerncies to our technical devices?

[Ufopolitics]

Tesla's favorite numbers...

Some more details available on "If We only knew the magnificence of 3,6,9...will know many secrets of the Universe..."? Totally opaque for my mind. Where are the relations from solfeggio frequerncies to our technical devices?

Hello John,

Those were Tesla's words...3,6,9...it sounds like a riddle...that so far it hasn't been found...
However, I have noticed that 3, and multiples of...gets you more performance like any other combination of even higher numbers...and it shouldn't, according to "Logic and Common Sense" analysis...You Guys will tell me later...after we are discussing over the facts.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[boguslaw]

I can't help much but please watch this video from 0:15:00 Creation Seminar 1 - Kent Hovind - Age of the Earth (FULL) - YouTube

and analyse "the rubber band experiment" carefully. This is true solution folks. All transformers, motors , generator were always almost 200% electrically efficient (almost due to losses, but that's all without counting mechanical power!) but with improper assembly technique (those who dared to change anything was ridiculed! who set the rules ?) we lost this knowledge (ancient knew it and much more).

[boguslaw]

Some more details available on "If We only knew the magnificence of 3,6,9...will know many secrets of the Universe..."? Totally opaque for my mind. Where are the relations from solfeggio frequerncies to our technical devices?

John this is simple. Look at shape of those numbers and compare to all the magnificent devices we heard about : this is centre tapped coil (3) with two opposite windings (6 and 9) exactly like we see in Don Smith circuit.
This key is really simple.

[Bob Smith]

Quote from Boguslaw

All transformers, motors , generator were always almost 200% electrically efficient (almost due to losses, but that's all without counting mechanical power!) but with improper assembly technique (those who dared to change anything was ridiculed! who set the rules ?) we lost this knowledge

Boguslaw - do you have any references for this? Would Utkin's paper address this issue as you describe?

@ UFO:
I've been thinking about the Lahkovsky coils as an example of asymmetric system of cohering radiant energy and applying it to health concerns. I have some ideas on putting something together to this end, but it'll have to wait awhile until I get some other things out of the way.
Any thoughts on the relationship between asymmetry and Lahkovsky's work?
Here's one of the better Lahkovsky links I've found:
http://users.skynet.be/Lakhovsky/Getting%20Started.htm
Bob

[JohnStone]

Quote from Boguslaw

Boguslaw - do you have any references for this? Would Utkin's paper address this issue as you describe?

Hi Bob,
Utkin does not mention effectiveness of electric motors but Peter Lindmann in his famous vid "Secrets of Electric Motors" - 300%.

• He mentions a motor 12V *3A=36W.
• The mechanical power is 18W (measured) The overall effitiency is 50% if we look at the motor as black box.
• But if we look with a magnifying glass to the internals we detect the two very different and opposing actions.
  [1]While running 10V are produced as generator opposing the load current of 3 A makes 10V*3A = 30W. 30W pure losses!
  [2]Remaining 2V * 3A =6W are converted in real motion.
  
• 6W make 18W mechanical power = 300% efftiency

This is the core of this thread: treat each component mentioned above in such a way that they become friends and support each other.

BTW:
Of course if the motor is loaded the speed goes down -> the generator effect goes down -> the effitiency increases. Therefore motors are operated at about half of the the idling speed. But as black box still considerably below 100%.

[JohnStone]

Today I red an interview (some years ago) with a great-grandnephew of Nicola Tesla - Lazar Alavanja.
Schwerkraftmotor, free energy, freie Energie, Generator, Tesla, Lazar Alavanja - YouTube -> Talk about gravity motor

He lives near to Colgne and is a great inventor as well. He states that his family owns many of Tesla's "lost" documents.
He claims to have refined Tesla's early high efficientcy motor (not patended) to 1KW in / 20Kw out, further photo converters, hydrolic motors, special treatment of nuclear radiaton ....
Freie Energie- Lazar Alavanja, Urgroßneffe von Nikola Tesla - ein Interview
No specific technical details contained.
(sorry I found no English translation - maybe Google will translate it in understandable form)
If there is major interest I will translate the specific parts dealing with electric matters on request.
Here a sample from google translater corrected to some extend.

Electric motor according to Tesla

This invention is even better (has the sketch of the electromagnetic motor, see below). The "LE motor" was demonstrated by Tesla in 1866 in Vienna, with only 4 electron-magnetic coils.
When he began his studies in Graz in 1877, this engine was in working order. He had this electric motor for10 years , but since he could not be patented, it is not listed in the patent documents. I built the machine in Yugoslavia and given to a relative - it works.

(Source: NET-Journal)
Electromagnetic motor - after Alavanja his development of a patented invention by Nikola Tesla not being patended.

is: You once mentioned that you are related to the family of Tesla?

LA: Yes, the father of Tesla had three brothers - one of them was my great-grandfather. The name Tesla was actually not his real name, but Alavanja, the name of the Father accepted the Tesla Nikola only when he was a Protestant priest.
Originally he was a Catholic, but was expelled from the island Ugljan, allegedly because he had impregnated a girl. This gave birth to a son who was the brother of Nicholas. I know this story but only heard about, so they do not necessarily have to agree.
As Nicholas had said that he was an alien, he was considered crazy.