Symmetric versus Asymmetric Electromagnetic Systems

[Bob Smith]

John,
You mention --

This is the core of this thread: treat each component mentioned above in such a way that they become friends and support each other.

I couldn't agree with you more.
Thanks for spelling it out so clearly.
Regards,
Bob

[Ufopolitics]

Asymmetry To Enlightenment

Hello to All...

ASYMMETRY TO ENLIGHTENMENT - YouTube

Well, I made it last to the great Nikola Tesla Party, to drop off my present...I made it a few minutes before midnight...

Here is your "Machine Guys" brake it apart...dissect it, ...The Basics are there, more details to come...but I think You'll have enough here... at least to allow me to get some rest till tomorrow...I am exhausted.

Yes, yes, I know you will have a Thousand questions..I will answer them all.


Regards to All, and hope you will enjoy the video.


Ufopolitics

[kEhYo77]

Great Ufo!
Just spotted this on fb Watching...

[IndianaBoys]

UFOPolitics,

Well done on pulling it together and expressing it to us all!

IndianaBoys

[JohnStone]

Hi Ufopolitics,
that's a masterpiece Sir! Now it is more understandable it took much time. Thanks a lot!
You intend to prove the following story to not be true:

Two globes meet in the space.

• Globe A: Hi, nice to see you. How are you?
• Globe B: Thanks very well. Life is marvelous. And you?
• Globe A: Oh, I'm not well at all.
• Globe B: What is your concern my friend? Can I help?
• Globe A: Oh, I'm infected with homo sapiens! No doctor can help!
• Globe B: Don't worry my friend. It's seasonal only!

@ALL:
Johnson Motros.jpg
1.
These guys wait to be treated from their bewitched existence. They are manufactured by Johnson and are scanveged from two identical and defect cordless drills. 12V 10A. These "defect" drills are sold from time to time at ebay in sets of 5 or 10.

@ Ufo:
a) Is this the right material or next steps?
b) Not shure how the windings are connected. Do we need to rewind the coils later on?

2.
In the background you see FETs 900V 10A out of some scavenged PC PSUs (Manufacturer Enermax 500W). They are ready monted on heatsink. Two guys on every heatsink, isolated mounting. Lots other parts like high current / high voltage diodes on heatsink.....
In order to get high effitiency and space savings the PC PSUs are built as primary switched models. Therefore they need high voltage FETs and diodes.

[Shanjaq]

Source is not paying for Generator Action, only the current that is able to flow between Source Potential and Generated Potential (reason Grid-Tied AC Motors reverse the current and become Generators when driven above the rated RPM @ line level.)

[Ufopolitics]

Windings...

Hi Ufopolitics,
that's a masterpiece Sir! Now it is more understandable it took much time. Thanks a lot!
You intend to prove the following story to not be true:

Two globes meet in the space.

• Globe A: Hi, nice to see you. How are you?
• Globe B: Thanks very well. Life is marvelous. And you?
• Globe A: Oh, I'm not well at all.
• Globe B: What is your concern my friend? Can I help?
• Globe A: Oh, I'm infected with homo sapiens! No doctor can help!
• Globe B: Don't worry my friend. It's seasonal only!

@ALL:
[ATTACH]11692[/ATTACH]
1.
These guys wait to be treated from their bewitched existence. They are manufactured by Johnson and are scanveged from two identical and defect cordless drills. 12V 10A. These "defect" drills are sold from time to time at ebay in sets of 5 or 10.

@ Ufo:
a) Is this the right material or next steps?
b) Not shure how the windings are connected. Do we need to rewind the coils later on?

2.
In the background you see FETs 900V 10A out of some scavenged PC PSUs (Manufacturer Enermax 500W). They are ready monted on heatsink. Two guys on every heatsink, isolated mounting. Lots other parts like high current / high voltage diodes on heatsink.....
In order to get high effitiency and space savings the PC PSUs are built as primary switched models. Therefore they need high voltage FETs and diodes.

Hello John,

Thanks John, and yes, awfully long time...plus running to make it before 12 last night...kind of a Cinderella story teller (I was the Prince... )

@ Ufo:
a) Is this the right material or next steps?
b) Not shure how the windings are connected. Do we need to rewind the coils later on?

Unfortunately John, yes, motors have to be stripped off all wires, clean...The Symmetry most popular winding is the "Lap winding"...where Coils are all connected in a continuous loop and just passing by the commutator hooks to "bite them", they have very little turns (since from end to end of brushes it adds up since they are in series...That is a reason why Motors should be chosen as not having the heavy epoxy resin in wiring...it could become a nightmare...and more complicated process...some people boil them to strip them..The way to build a Motor the right way...after winding it, to epoxy high temp it, then get them in a vacuum chamber...so all the resin is impregnated deep inside compacting all wires to the Core...avoiding vibrations and damping noise...so, must of times is better a cheaper motor...that was built without that expensive procedure.
Must good Drills (heavy duty ones) are built like that...however, commutators are based on very thick Duck Tails (teeth-elements) and very good mica-ceramic as insulation...they can stand a war...even though we do not need them that "heavy duty" for just testing purposes.

There are a few good Motor manufacturers that also supply all parts we need...sold separate, which is great. We could buy just the whole clean armature...extra commutators and extra brushes and housings...without buying a whole motor to be "sacrificed"...

Now lately in the Heavy Motor Industry, they have been developing a Symmetric (of course) Brushed type, that just One Wire, very heavy gauge, runs through each small thin armature core channels...They are NOT GOOD for this process. We will not have room to make several turns...besides armature structure is very "superficial" (not deep space all the way closer to shaft)...just because they only need One single heavy gauge wire...and massive steel...so it is very heavy.


I have posted in My Asymmetric Machines Thread, the instructions to build the 5 pole Radio Shack little motor...where I also explain some of this issues..

The method to wind them is relatively simple...but we have to get used to...
All Pairs (two coils) are wound in series related to each others, just like an inductor coil, now, the angles to dispose them (like "bending" a straight coil) is where it comes the arrangement to success...

For example: The Three Pole Armature (Remember Tesla and magnificence of 3,6,9) disposed at 120 degrees, is the easiest motor to wind...only three coils...all the same wound direction, so all of them three, will be aiming same magnetic polarity outwards to stators...all Norths...or when reversed...all Souths...between 2 or 4 stators...This motors have a ratio of One (1) to Two (2) at Input- Outputs respectively...meaning, we pulse One Coil at a specific "momentum" while two coils are supplying output power...Now it is understood that all multiples of three, could be configured to worki even greater... , meaning Six and Nine...and 12, and so on...where it comes the Sacred Geometry design...like the Star of David...or a Dual Pentagon opposed...and there is so much more to this...well 130 years of silence and seizing...is not small time.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hello Shanjag

Source is not paying for Generator Action, only the current that is able to flow between Source Potential and Generated Potential (reason Grid-Tied AC Motors reverse the current and become Generators when driven above the rated RPM @ line level.)

Hello,

Source -of course- is "paying" to create Generator Action without any recourse...Symmetry does the fight inside...The "Witch" charges Source "big time" and demands more and more current to keep going...

only the current that is able to flow between Source Potential and Generated Potential

Well I rather would express it as: "The "surviving" current, the "left over" after the war inside armature...between Source current and Generator Current (which is completely BS, Just because, that High Generated Current, is just a result of the "Face to Face Combat" of opposite polarities of Potential) that takes place in the arcing of commutators and brushes...and extremely High Temperatures...result of Symmetry

In my Motors, there is almost no sparks (reason why I chose the Radio Shack little motor, it has pretty good sized openings to film it), even not adding a load to motor...with load to output, it is absolutely zero sparks...nada....no heat either...except by the heat generated by physical friction....electrical flow is completely independent...no heat produced by electricity there at all.

Asymmetric Motors are also Generators...of course, but, the difference is that there is absolutely no "Counter" Motor action, when they run as Generators, but "Forward Motor Action"...assisting rotation, not counter-acting to it, exactly the same as it occurs in Asymmetric Motors action...the Counter is now a Forwarding/Assisting Action, Coil reverses (by grace of Natural response) its polarity (magnetic and electrical) when "left alone", idling, not "injecting" a purposely reversed electrical flow(Symmetry) ...and set to create at that momentum a magnetic impulse, whether by attraction-repulsion or viceversa , depending on set-up.

Regards


Ufopolitics

[Shanjaq]

If you were to eliminate Generating Action the motor would run at Stall Current regardless of RPM, which would produce a flat Torque/RPM Profile and Runaway Condition, for which the Source pays dearly. Generating Action is like a Wall, it doesn't consume it just blocks.

[Ufopolitics]

Hello

If you were to eliminate Generating Action the motor would run at Stall Current regardless of RPM, which would produce a flat Torque/RPM Profile and Runaway Condition, for which the Source pays dearly. Generating Action is like a Wall, it doesn't consume it just blocks.

I am not eliminating Generator Action...I am just, NOT creating it by reversing polarity...Nature produces it...and it assist, instead of oppose...why should I create it?!

Sorry, but none of my Motors Stalls...and they have more torque than a Symmetric model where the one I have built came from, same body, same model type, same diameter and weight of armature core spec's...except it is not wound same, is Asymmetric. And as a matter of fact my Armatures weight more...(more Copper than symmetric)...however, it moves faster and heavier than...and starting torque will twist your entire body if you hold the shaft...

We have been "taught" that the fake constructed C EMF is "good" to certain point of performance...it is a way to justify its creation...but it burns and produces heat, and it cost way too much to get to rotate a machine to barely do its job...

However, if you like "Symmetry World"...just be there...I am not "holding you" from liking it...

I DON'T, I have found way much better performance, super efficient machines, very inexpensive to run...and more...in Asymmetrical Systems...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[truesearch]

@ufopolitics:

Would you guess that your re-wound asymmetrical motors produce maybe twice the output as a comparable symmetrical one?

I'm also wondering about a "what-if". . . what about using two of your asymmetrical motors coupled together with 1 as a driver (powered by battery) and the other as a generator. What would would be the input (volts/amps) VS. output (volts/amps)?

truesearch

[Ufopolitics]

I have done that...

@ufopolitics:

Would you guess that your re-wound asymmetrical motors produce maybe twice the output as a comparable symmetrical one?

I'm also wondering about a "what-if". . . what about using two of your asymmetrical motors coupled together with 1 as a driver (powered by battery) and the other as a generator. What would would be the input (volts/amps) VS. output (volts/amps)?

truesearch

Hello Truesearch,

It depends the Model Type, to produce Double or triple the Input...it depends if it has 4 stators or two...of how many poles-coils it has...etc

The little Radio Shack produces double to 1 1/3 of Input at linear feeding, however, when you feed through a control pulsed , it gets more output...

Yes, I have done that on face to face...works awesome...One motor as Generator and One as Motor...but remember the Motor one will also output power..so they could be connected in series Output from Motor to both outputs of generator also in series...
However, when you do this connections, facing each others, the Motor that would play as Generator and let's say they are both "Twins" identical models...so the Gen one will deliver the power opposite to the Motor was set to...Meaning, where the Motor Inputs Positive it will give you Negative, and so the other terminals, so, in order that they assist each others in rotation this must be understood. Connecting them wrong will not perform as well , since they will oppose each others...And I meant when you connect Output from Motor to Gen-Motor connections...don't know if you "copy me" right?


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Farmhand]

Hello Truesearch,

The little Radio Shack produces double to 1 1/3 of Input at linear feeding, however, when you feed through a control pulsed , it gets more output...

Ufopolitics

Hi UFO, So this is a claim of an electrical C.O.P. of 2 to 1.3 or 200% to 133% efficient ? Very impressive, do you
have that on video ? Not sure about anyone else but I would like to see that.

Best regards.

[Ufopolitics]

Hi UFO, So this is a claim of an electrical C.O.P. of 2 to 1.3 or 200% to 133% efficient ? Very impressive, do you
have that on video ? Not sure about anyone else but I would like to see that.

Best regards.

Farmhand,

We come for a pretty long way of arguments about FE...here on this Forum...so I will ask you one question...not to create any long discussions...

Will , watching my video change your pessimism?...Your Skepticism?...
Will it "transform" you in a "believer" in OU and FE Possibility?...or reality?

Because if it will do so, I F***** swear I will post it tonight ASAP that I get to my Lab...and set cams and the whole thing...

Or are you going to be looking for "where I connected" the "extra source cable"...or the Inverter?...or looking if the scene "jump" any frames?...catching a "Hoax"?

If it it for this, I will not move a single finger to do it...

You tell me...However, you have to compromise in front of this whole Thread to keep your word..


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hello John Stone

Hi Ufopolitics,
that's a masterpiece Sir! Now it is more understandable it took much time. Thanks a lot!
You intend to prove the following story to not be true:

Two globes meet in the space.

• Globe A: Hi, nice to see you. How are you?
• Globe B: Thanks very well. Life is marvelous. And you?
• Globe A: Oh, I'm not well at all.
• Globe B: What is your concern my friend? Can I help?
• Globe A: Oh, I'm infected with homo sapiens! No doctor can help!
• Globe B: Don't worry my friend. It's seasonal only!

@ALL:
[ATTACH]11692[/ATTACH]
1.
These guys wait to be treated from their bewitched existence. They are manufactured by Johnson and are scanveged from two identical and defect cordless drills. 12V 10A. These "defect" drills are sold from time to time at ebay in sets of 5 or 10.

@ Ufo:
a) Is this the right material or next steps?
b) Not shure how the windings are connected. Do we need to rewind the coils later on?

2.
In the background you see FETs 900V 10A out of some scavenged PC PSUs (Manufacturer Enermax 500W). They are ready monted on heatsink. Two guys on every heatsink, isolated mounting. Lots other parts like high current / high voltage diodes on heatsink.....
In order to get high effitiency and space savings the PC PSUs are built as primary switched models. Therefore they need high voltage FETs and diodes.

John, I am so sorry I did not see the pictures uploaded when I read your post!!...so I went directly to the lines with "@Ufo"...

Now, those Motors are grrreat for this!!, awesome, and very, very simple to make!!!
Those are the three poles ones, and I have the ones (same body type) made for R/C purposes, they are the ones that just need three coils...but the thing is...you have to run one end of each coil to each same commutator upper and lower...This motors will do impress you...for output.
I have wound them with 26 awg wire (finer than the one shown there...) this allows around 60 to 80 turns...on each independent coil.

Hope you did not throw them away!


Regards


Ufopolitics