Permanent Magnet Flip Flop

[jahzwolf]

This is how the flux will flip flop between sides.. I am hoping this will increase the efficiency of the claims of the Joule Ringer, clearly the circuit is already switching directions of the flux in the toroid, this enhancement will focus all the flux on one side then the other, and provide a source of flux in addition to the powered flux we see in the current demonstration circuits.

The ratio works up and down the scale of magnets you should try to build this with..

This one shown is .01T magnet or 100 Gauss and 1 Amp switching back and forth directions in the toroid

I am also showing a ferite ring around the outside.. and the magnets on the outside of the toroid instead of the inside...
the ring is to return the flux to the outside poles of the external magnets.

http://dow-buzzell.com/1ampTwoRing.Vmg.zip
http://dow-buzzell.com/Vizimag_3.193.rar

[jahzwolf]

so this diagram from JOULE THIEF / FreeEnergyLT / FreeEnergyLT
it looks to me as if the flux in the torrid is reversing directions when the transistor turns on and off, so adding magnets to a Joule Ringer that are appropriate strengths will increase the efficiency of what is already seemingly happening ... I saw one video where they added a magnet to a coil in a circuit like this and the voltage measurements shot the fluke off it's scale on the output. My hope is that if we can get the 'flux' in the toroid tuned to flip back and forth like i am showing possible by Vizimag, efficiency will increase as well as potentially utilize the flux from the magnets as the primary 'source' of flux in the ferrite ring, and not depend on the battery powered primary as the source.. but instead as simply the switch in the circuit..
and use the energy of the rare earth magnets as the primary source of flux. perhaps permitting us to use a capacitor instead like another video i have seen already where there is no battery at all but in that experiment it did finally putter out..Joule Ringer! Light keeps going without battery. - YouTube just perhaps allowing extended life of the input battery and the scaleability into something of another video i saw with a very large ring claiming 1KW output power without any battery at all..(no piercing ringing either)Steve Marks TPU Clip5 - ZPE Zero Point Energy - Free energy - YouTube


So i am trying to understand this circuit..

I am seeing that the transistor is getting forward biased initially by the positive side of the battery being felt at the base and the emitter feeling the negative charge.. turning it on charging the secondary... when the secondary charges it will develop voltage opposite of the primary(????), or is it just the same later in this thread vizimag shows it only .15 and it is the choke effect of the 5 turn that permits the 2 turn to charge before the 5 turn shorts out the 2 turn circuit. then once again kicking the output secondary coil with a very large step up voltage... the diode in the output circuit is confusing, i understand the output coil will be alternating voltage and the load is a bunch of LED's so i get that, what I don't get is why there isn't a full wave bridge rectifier gaining both sides of the energy being collapsed into the output coil.. unless this is intentional so as to leave the energy in the coil to help with the gain that so many people are claiming, and the videos depict .. I would like to add a full wave bridge to the output.. and see if this changes the energy gain or not..

From the claims i saw here Super Joule Ringer! Lights my workshop 24/7. - YouTube I see 12 lights rated at .9w or 10watts load with only 3watts input claimed.. (220ma @ 13.5v)
So this demonstrates a 10x gain in energy.. but that piercing ring is unacceptable, and i wonder if this will disappear if a full wave bridge is there, or if it is necessary to help multiply the flux during the next switch cycle.. interestingly he did lower the pitch of the ring by adding a magnet.. so perhaps there is hope there..

[Cherryman]

Dc Brown

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...... the primary source of flux. perhaps permitting us to use a capacitor instead....

There you go!

[Slider2732]

@Cherryman - Took me a couple of seconds, then I nearly spilled my coffee laughing

@Dow - Reading along here and am very interested in this...getting to the bottom of just why and to what extent a magnet on the side of a toroid positively affects a circuit. As in to not just blindly throw one on, but know where and what strength to use.
I'm wondering why the circuit above stops at the voltmeter.
If the section was replaced with a couple of heavy gauge turns back around the 100 turns, you'd bring the voltage and current back - but would it necessarily always be of less an amount than the original figures ?
That's probably a very naive question, but is part of my interest in your higher powering and manipulating the flux.

[jahzwolf]

Thank you for your posts..

That circuit i posted was the source that was used in the Super Joule ringer replication where the guy got 12 lights going with 3 watts..

I agree we need a whole lot more documentation of this idea to properly evaluate it before anyone builds another one.. I did see a guy who did some wave forms here: Joule Ringer 2.0 Waveforms Using Radio Shack Transformer - YouTube

I haven't really don't a proper look at what he found, I will soon.. but there is some real serious analysis there..

To answer your question, .. I only have the higher power there because that is the only way i could get Vizimag to do what i wanted to do with the flux.. and see how the authors' calculations would react to scaling the power up and down of the magnets versus the amps of the coil primary.. it apparently is a 100 to one ratio.. 1Amp to .01 Telsa of each magnet..
I got a hold of a .5 telsa magnet, and that is a very strong magnet so i can see why it takes 100 amps to get that to flip/flop, so the .01 telsa will be what i use when i build my circuit.. it looked like the guy was putting a 1000 gauss magnet on the end of his coil in the video i saw the fluke go off scale in the output.. but when i get my coil and get this thing built I am going to do some measurements of the gauss in the coil in static flips, and post those.. i do have a dc gauss meter to do this with, i dont have a accurate ac gauss meter so it will be difficult to measure the running version of the flux.. with my swing needle gauss meter..

I am trying to use rare earth magnets as the source of the flux, and am looking for a way to have a transistor effect on the flux.. ie low power switching high amount of flux. thus using the engergy of the magnet not the primary winding of the coil..

the coil becomes just the base of the transistor, or switch.. and the primary flux to collapse into the secondary is from the magnet not the primary of the coil..
switching it from side to side permits the collapse on two output secondaries..

The joule circuit interested me.. since it already was switching the direction of the flux in the ferrite ring, and was demonstrating gains of 10x..

I have seen no work done with the flux as of yet on the public videos .. so i wanted to present my work .. here as it develops.. and collaborate and share what i learn..

my idea was to use a primary switching coil unrelated to the flux other than to simply switch the rare earth magnet.. but now i am thinking i want to build the Joule circuit and modify it .. after i can prove to myself there really is a gain there..

[Slider2732]

Oh hey, by the way, to the forum...was remiss of me earlier as you are obviously a very focused type of person
There are a lot of folks who fly in and fly out it seems.

I see what you are doing a little clearer now, thanks. So, switch like a Joule Thief, use low power, but the forces from the neo's start strong and stay strong...power house flux effects, by the simple nature of their inbuilt strength.

In a curious way, perhaps there's a link to the Leedskalnin PMH. With that, you might enjoy research on Radus Boots too, if not aware already: Radus Boots
The magnetic switching, using low power for a full switch effect of powerful magnetic forces, is where I see the link.

[jahzwolf]

That video was cool.... I will need to do some reading there.. vizimag i don't think would let me model that because of the to coils being inter connected.

I tried a few models like extending the magnet regions like that, but never thought about interconnecting the coils and reversing the polarities like they show..

in the models i tried i haven't gotten the full switch of the flux except using the ring..

that is very cool.. Thanks!

[jahzwolf]

Transformer Analysis

Here is what Vizimag shows inital effect of the 5 turn from the 2 turn and 5 turn powering up, it is helping me understand the method of switching and the delay between the on off states of the transistor.

both chokes are going to resist the current until they are both fully charged.. the 5 turn should charge first since there is no resistor between it and the battery.. once it is done with it's choke effect it becomes a dead short across the 2 turn circuit turning it off and it's own drain .. so we end up with two fully charged chokes with no where to dump their current as the fields collapse all the energy into the output secondary.. then the cycle begins again..

the odd thing here is that they both are adding to each others choke effect during their charge which makes me wonder where all that back eddy current is going .. i guess the hope is into the output secondary.. all along the output secondary is feeling both of these charge as well, then get's kicked when they discharge..

i want to try and understand the direction of currents during these charge discharge cycles.. some more.. but i am too tired tonight and got to go into the puzzel palace tomorrow.. so i best get some sleep..

[jahzwolf]

the primary source of flux. perhaps permitting us to use a capacitor instead....

it struck me too on the way to the store and broke out laughing..

[Slider2732]

You'd never get the 465 in your shirt pocket either lol
Yeah, the same sort of scope as Lasersaber uses ? He has a flat neat small scope in YouTube videos.

The simulation looks really interesting. Viz Mag used to be an adult comic book in the UK in the 1990's, where I used to live.
I can't open the .rar or the .zip over here...but that's no real surprise. After a bit of trouble with hardware, this PC is running WattOS (based on Ubuntu). Could try Wine, or is it native Linux and i've just got a long way to go with installing stuff ?

[jahzwolf]

You'd never get the 465 in your shirt pocket either lol
Yeah, the same sort of scope as Lasersaber uses ? He has a flat neat small scope in YouTube videos.

The simulation looks really interesting. Viz Mag used to be an adult comic book in the UK in the 1990's, where I used to live.
I can't open the .rar or the .zip over here...but that's no real surprise. After a bit of trouble with hardware, this PC is running WattOS (based on Ubuntu). Could try Wine, or is it native Linux and i've just got a long way to go with installing stuff ?

Ah.. well you will need to use wine to run it under Ubuntu.. seems to run fine that way.. you will love it.. a very useful tool..

I am not sure about that model i put there if it is corrupt or not i got to work on getting that to zip up.. if the rar file isn't working for you i will zip it so you can get a download of it.

here try this:

dow-buzzell.com/Vizimag 3.zip

there is read me for linux.. there but i am running it now under wine.. without any issues..

i will try and get the model download working tomorrow.. got to get some sleep in the mean time here is a interesting picture..

doing a projected output of the secondary shows nothing like what the video's suggest.. will happen..

http://dow-buzzell.com/vizimags-200turnoutput.png

[Slider2732]

Hey thanks for doing that, it downloaded fine and unzipped with Xarchiver
Got to install the latest Wine and then I can hopefully quit whining

[Cherryman]

it struck me too on the way to the store and broke out laughing..

Great you got it!

Had no intention to spoil your topic, or make fun of your research, I just couldn't resist ;-)

I do not understand it all, but you are doing some good research! Keep it up.


On the other hand...

A lot of things from the science fiction movies has become reality over time ( small hand held or carried cmmunication devices, location pinpointers, even the taser is reality... So next up: The Flux Capacitor. Call me insane, but I wouldn't be surprised someday it will excist.. Maybe by you ;-)

Maybe You schould examin of the Y shape could function in your model...

[Slider2732]

Oh dear sir, it does exist...kinda
I've shown a couple of videos of own forays, so take that for whatever lol.
One was the way in which a Tesla tower input can have a capacitive change occur, by use of a capacitor over a 3rd loosely coupled coil. The article I read referred to flux and, it was a capacitor. Best to see the video:
Pyraflux - wireless electricity with flux capacitor - YouTube

More in keeping with your thoughts, here we have an LED oscillator which uses 3 inductors - in the classic Y shape.
Flux Capacitor Oscillator - YouTube

But completely keeping with the BTTF theme - here is my model DeLorean, with a version of the above 3 inductor setup, so really a Flux Inductor ...but it really works
Mattel DeLorean - Flux Inductor Powered - YouTube


Sorry for going off track Dow
It would be great if the Y shape of magnetic fields interactions could be modelled.

[GSM]

Hi Jahzwolf.

To me this looks like a computer based simulation = programmed mathematics.

Surely by the time you have a high power magnet on both sides of a real world inner toroid, then both halves will become equally polarised and saturated ?

Is it not likely that interpolation inadequacies within the computer/ software are causing this display, with maybe the possibility that higher processing power and shorter time periods will indicate that the oscillation is related to calculation resolution alone ?

Yes I realise you are thinking about causing the field to alternate between halves, but saturation effects waste energy.

What does occur to me is that path alternation between inner toroid halves halves, could be induced via a capacitor pulse, driven by a square wave generator (H-drive), via a copper wire winding, wound on a vertical axis w.r.t. the drawing, with turns passing normally through the image = non-toroidally + non-circumferentially, around the outside of the inner toroid, those turns in the little air gaps between the magnets and the curve of the inner toroid, and in the same winding sense through those top and bottom gaps.
I would also suggest that any resulting power take off from the inner halves be separate due to their differently alternating impedances, and that it might be possible to LC resonate one half in tune with the applied square wave switching whilst transducing energy from the other, or possibly independently resonate both halves and take of power with 90 degree phase shifted loading.

Cheers ......... Graham.