Advanced Type Of Ram Pump

[moflint]

Hi Laurence,

I meant a model of artjo's diagram in his ebook, p42. This seems like a different method from the Russian patent.

Yes I saw the youtube video - it really needed to go on longer to be convincing as the water coming out could be simply the same amount of water coming in at submersion.

Best,
Mark

moflint,

an alleged working demo

[moflint]

Hey Peter,

Sorry, what are you actually saying... is there a working suggestion in there, or just giving us some figures for making calculations?

Either way, thanks for your input,
Mark

Todays ram pump have only one spring. Its holds shut the valve to pressure container. Water flow through stream pipe accelerates from a standing start. Moving water has force which picks up a weight valve at the bottom of a vertical pipe. Flowing water lifts that weight to close the pipe. The water hammer back up stream pipe lifting the valve in pressure chamber and forcing in water. Water in the stream has stopped moving, so it has no force and the weight valve drops back down allowing water flow to recomence.

Using such water force exiting the land side of the pump for turbine electric is easily done. However Horsepower/Kilowatt require both force and volume. 1 litre water per second at 9 bar pressure passing through an 82% efficient hydro turbine/generator produces 720 watts.

A ram pump will drive 1 litre of water 10 feet up for every 10 litres that falls ten feet down.

1 litre of water falling a total of 20 feet downward has more pressure than 10litres of water falling ten feet.

However the 10 litre volume produces more electricity even though at a lower water force. This is because volume replaces force in all mechanics.

Cheers Peter

[artoj]

Hydro-Automat

Thanks for checking out those pages, I drew them back in 1995 from a reference in an old encyclopedia(1930's). This type of ram pump was well known by engineers and was used by many farmers back in the early part of the 20th century, the name Hydro-Automat explains the function very well. The drawing shows a multistage piping, not common back then but still a very well known principle(1930's). The knowledge of this type of advanced pump engineering has been systematically removed from modern reference books. Only the basic ram-pump has survived this purge.

Edward J. Kunkel wrote a book back in the 1930's and elucidated the knowledge of the use of a ram type pump in the Giza pyramid, his book was call "The Pharaoh's Pump". John Cadman built and tested Edwards revelation and proved him to be correct.

I had planned to build a working model of this type of pump, about 20 years ago, it would have been only for my own amusement, as the engineering principles are sound and well proven, I instead thought to give the basic knowledge to the readers instead. Thanks Regards Arto

[moflint]

Artoj,

Thank you for expanding on that

This is getting very interesting!

Thanks for checking out those pages, I drew them back in 1995 from a reference in an old encyclopedia(1930's). This type of ram pump was well known by engineers and was used by many farmers back in the early part of the 20th century, the name Hydro-Automat explains the function very well. The drawing shows a multistage piping, not common back then but still a very well known principle(1930's). The knowledge of this type of advanced pump engineering has been systematically removed from modern reference books. Only the basic ram-pump has survived this purge.

Edward J. Kunkel wrote a book back in the 1930's and elucidated the knowledge of the use of a ram type pump in the Giza pyramid, his book was call "The Pharaoh's Pump". John Cadman built and tested Edwards revelation and proved him to be correct.

I had planned to build a working model of this type of pump, about 20 years ago, it would have been only for my own amusement, as the engineering principles are sound and well proven, I instead thought to give the basic knowledge to the readers instead. Thanks Regards Arto

[reddpill]

Learning from the ancients...

The knowledge of this type of advanced pump engineering has been systematically removed from modern reference books. Only the basic ram-pump has survived this purge.

Edward J. Kunkel wrote a book back in the 1930's and elucidated the knowledge of the use of a ram type pump in the Giza pyramid, his book was call "The Pharaoh's Pump". John Cadman built and tested Edwards revelation and proved him to be correct.

This is what John Cadman says about his 're' discovery.

"Primarily, it's a hydraulic pulse generator. The pump thing is secondary. The main thing with the pump is that it is tuneable ...The sub chamber is the source of the "shock wave". As a side note, it is a phenomenal pump."

Energetic Forum post : The Pyramid Pulse generator / Pyramid Pump

[Aaron]

pyramid pump

Very interesting!

[velacreations]

Wow, I want to build one of these. Are there any simple diagrams for a working model? Who made that YouTube version, it looks like PVC parts. Give me a parts list, I will put it together and put it in my water tank for a few weeks to verify.

[reddpill]

Pyramid pump.

Wow, I want to build one of these. Are there any simple diagrams for a working model? Who made that YouTube version, it looks like PVC parts. Give me a parts list, I will put it together and put it in my water tank for a few weeks to verify.

The model needs to match exactly the subterranean chamber layout of the giza pyramid for it to work properly, as if you do not mold the fins correctly the vortices do not build up correctly and that's key to this technology, understanding natures motion.

Important: The room is built to the "Golden Ratio".

Ink injection tests have been done and shows the vortices being generated.
Great Pyramid Subterranean chamber Golden spiral on Vimeo

The water that exits the device is extremely 'life giving' showing it restructures and 'cleans' water.
Algae_growth_pyramid_pump - YouTube

It's life giving properties are similar to the vortex 'bio-reactor', where water spun in a vortex manner produces and enhances life, again due to Natures' own motion of and for producing energy.

"As you can see, the walls have a thick cover of water plants that have only grown over the last 4.5 years, and got much denser especially over the last year. The plant growth is also much more prolific in the basin compared to the tributary stream to the plant. If you lift the plants (.. moss) you will be surprised what life you can find - you can see lavae, ...crabs and pupae - lots and lots of other life. This forms the basis of the fish fodder that is the start of the food chain for the fish that live in the stream. Compared to the tributary stream there are not just algae on teh walls, but also higher water plants and mosses with leaf structures that indicate that these plant love the conditions inside the basin. Franz explains - The main difference in the conditions to my mind that explains the more favourable growth condition in the basin is in the main the pressure differential between the basin and the stream the water flows into the basin at a higher pressure where it meets the water wheel the flow is back stopped and the creates a low pressure area as it enters the vortex. This allows better uptake of the oxygen that is then steadily carried to the sides of the vortex basin and reaches the plants on the walls - thereby encouraging the growth of plants and animals."

Wasserkraftwerk als Bioreaktor_Waterplant as bio reactor - YouTube

Nature is fractal and what is done on the macro level is also the same on the micro level and vice versa.

Special properties: The waste-gate of the Pyramid Pump can be elevated either above or below the horizontal plain and works underwater too, which standard ram-pumps cannot do.

GoldFish: The water qualities the pump produces would be highly beneficial but the pulse it creates, which is so powerful (the standing wave shock wave) it almost destroys the pump itself that John built, hence the reason the subterranean chamber is carved from solid rock may not be liked by the fish (uncertain really.) but as the pump beats like a heart and it's a pulse that is produced it may not effect fish as that's natures method of energy transport.

[velacreations]

thanks, reddpill, but I know how to build a ram pump.

I was refering to the other pump mentioned at the beginning of this thread, that doesn't require moving water to operate.

Anyone have plans or a bit of info to help me build one?

[velacreations]

ok, just reading over the original document in detail, seems like it shouldn't be too hard to replicate.

Basically, you have a check valve at the inlet, a pipe that goes to a T, and then continues to cap. From the T goes another check valve, but this time, inside an air chamber. A smaller pipe comes off the base of the air chamber, and goes to the surface.

This is very similar to a hydraulic ram pump. I wonder, if we used similar parts as a ram pump, if we could make this pump, just changing the configuration a bit.

Here are some simple instructions for a hydraulic ram: Home-made Hydraulic Ram Pump

and a step by step:
Hydraulic Ram Pump



Please note that this pump is not very efficient. it requires 8 gallons of water for every gallon pumped. But, it can be built with off the shelf parts.

If you changed the arrangement a bit, put the swing valve inline, cap the line coming off to the left, and put the spring check below the air chamber, with a pipe coming off it, you should have a pump that is similar to what was explained in the original document.

There might be some tweaking with things, but it should work.

[velacreations]

looking at the youtube video is greater detail, his design is a bit different than the pdf. If you notice, air comes out both sides when he puts it in the water. The pdf shows one of those sides being capped. I don't see check valves anywhere, either, so he must be using some sort of homemade valve, maybe a ball in a pipe type of thing.

[velacreations]

here's from the patent, I can't read the language, but here's the diagram:

[Aaron]

Pyramid Pump

This is the pic I posted in my last post - archive.org already took it down in 1 day.

[velacreations]

have you built one of those, Aaron?

[Aaron]

Thepump.org

No, the pyramid pump was introduced to me by Redpill's post.

In archive.org you can find the old websites relating to it.

Go here: Internet Archive Wayback Machine

Click the black vertical lines in the time line to see the archives for that time period. The most recent ones are not there. After you select the black vertical line to indicate a time period, then click on the blue circled days on the calendar to see the website for that time frame. You can see quite a few change over time from the beginning.

There is quite a bit there - really interesting!