Standing wave in reverse bifilar coil?

[alvarohn]

Hi all,

If someone can look at this draw I made, I was wondering what would happend in a bifilar coil that is wounded in reverse.



the waves would cancel each other right? making a standing wavE? pure voltage no current? and probably no drag to the passing magnet?

best,

Alvaro H

[goldsphere]

There is no wave present let alone a standing wave. What you have there is an inefficient electromagnet.

[alvarohn]

What you mean by "ineficient electromagnet" żż

there is no voltage been aplied to the coil, just a bridge to send the wave to the cap.

shouldn't be a sine wave in each winding, that would crash each other making a stand wave?

[scratchrobot]

No drag to motor but I don't know how to detect a standing wave.

[OrionLightShip]

Interesting theory if the current is flowing opposite directions, the "waves" cancel. See left hand rule.

Isn't that the purpose of a bifilar to eliminate back emf?
No back emf, no forward electromotive force, no interaction with a rotor.

This assuming everything is aligned perfectly and I understood your question.

If you are talking about a "radiant energy" wave, it is my belief that any interaction with electronic circuits and wires causes it to simply revert. Observing a quantum event freezes it into the experimenters frame of reference.

[Bob Smith]

Alvaro, I know this is the case in a bifilar series-wound pancake coil. The transverse EM waves from both opposite windings cancel each other out. As I understand it, it has greatly increased capacitance (see Tesla's descriptions), with resultant very little current and higher voltage, and of course, it produces longitudinal EM/scalar/standing vectors. According to Zilano, this is true of caduceus coils as well --

Comment by Zilano on Don Smith Devices thread (bold added):

hint: bifilar/caduceus/rodin coil/basket weave coil produce scalar or bemf

Link: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post196373

Note: I don't think a shorted bifilar coil will produce scalar. As I understand it, it has to be series wound (as in your diagram).

If you go to a search engine and look up <bifilar scalar>, you'll find more info.
Hope this helps.
bob

[alvarohn]

Thank you all for ur inputs,

I will look more info about it, so far I have just found the overunity.com discussion about the subject.

in my mind the scenario is: as "OrionLightShip" said: "if the current is flowing opposite directions, the "waves" cancel"

so no drag in rotor, but there should be a standing wave in there... 2 equal waves traveling in oposite direction that meets together should make a standing wave, and it would have potential..

and a capacitor would eat that potencial... that causes no drag in rotor....



best to all

Alvaro

[ewizard]

I believe this may have been in play in RomeroUK's self-running motor generator (Muller style) although that whole message thread became such a soap opera that it's hard really saying if it was even real but I think it was. It was clear at one point (at least IMO) that he was using a combination of bifilar coils with a diode bridge and capacitor to get energy out of it from the passing magnets. I think that was the essence of the concept along with high speed diodes and a lot of careful tuning. However I don't believe it was easy and there may have been some details not released that kept most from finding success with this.

[alvarohn]

tnx ewizard, I should look into it,

the only thing that comes to my mind about that RomeroUK, was a replication by Vtech that seems to be working in the video.

best,

[Leviathan]

humm nothing is an iteresting concept, beter yet lets have a field of nothing...
how does that work? lol but it should be theoretical possible, but how do you detect nothing!!!

[alvarohn]

humm nothing is an iteresting concept, beter yet lets have a field of nothing...
how does that work? lol but it should be theoretical possible, but how do you detect nothing!!!

I would not call it nothing...

have you tried the experiment?

[Leviathan]

yup I have, and it was nothing detectable with my equipment. It may help
to understand that the very concept of a wave is that a wave has a velocity
if you say a wave is standing that is a contradiction because if it is standing
then it is not a wave, if it did creat any effect it would probably be similar
to a pressure not a wave. So how would you detect a pressure? But first
you would have to think about what medium the pressure is created in, and
then maby you could detect it.

[Bob Smith]

I don't think scalar waves can be detected using a DMM. Not so sure about a scope either, that is, not without a little additional help. Bearden has some complicated scalar detection schematics involving a scope online. It should be much simpler now. I did see something online that was quite simple about a year ago, using an LED. Will look to see if I could find it.

Here's a piece on the Naudin website referring to the caduceus coil as scalar wave transmitter:
The Scalar Waves Transmitter by JL Naudin

Another interesting related post:
Borderland Sciences Discussion Blog: The Caduceus Coil

Bearden has written extensively on scalar wave production and detection. Bedini also seems to have some experience in this area. I've read that the Soviets continued developing Tesla's scalar technology after Tesla's death, and the Americans didn't have the equipment for detecting its deployment. I think that's all changed now. Checking out <scalar wave detector> or <scalar interferometry> will turn up some interesting articles covering subjects from weather control to mind control and even influencing earth's tectonic plates.

Scalar induction has its own benefits as well as far as losses are concerned.
Bob

[alvarohn]

yup I have, and it was nothing detectable with my equipment. It may help
to understand that the very concept of a wave is that a wave has a velocity
if you say a wave is standing that is a contradiction because if it is standing
then it is not a wave, if it did creat any effect it would probably be similar
to a pressure not a wave. So how would you detect a pressure? But first
you would have to think about what medium the pressure is created in, and
then maby you could detect it.

A wave has velocity, that is a Transverse wave, but a standing wave is a lonitudinal wave a think.

about how to measure it?, what experiment did you do? you used a diode bridge and a cap? did the cap get voltage?

May be the way I draw the schem does nothing, maybe there is a standing wave taking place but can't be "seen" or "taped".

the wave should be something like this:



so what if we short that coil with a reed switch (or similar) at the peek of the wave?... just thinking loud here.

best,

Alvaro

best,

[alvarohn]

Bob.. great!!! that Caduceus coil is very similar to the bifilar that in the draw in post 1.

I will keep reading...

that kind of coil come into my mind when I was at home trying to figure out how to cancel lenz law.

best,

I don't think scalar waves can be detected using a DMM. Not so sure about a scope either, that is, not without a little additional help. Bearden has some complicated scalar detection schematics involving a scope online. It should be much simpler now. I did see something online that was quite simple about a year ago, using an LED. Will look to see if I could find it.

Here's a piece on the Naudin website referring to the caduceus coil as scalar wave transmitter:
The Scalar Waves Transmitter by JL Naudin

Another interesting related post:
Borderland Sciences Discussion Blog: The Caduceus Coil

Bearden has written extensively on scalar wave production and detection. Bedini also seems to have some experience in this area. I've read that the Soviets continued developing Tesla's scalar technology after Tesla's death, and the Americans didn't have the equipment for detecting its deployment. I think that's all changed now. Checking out <scalar wave detector> or <scalar interferometry> will turn up some interesting articles covering subjects from weather control to mind control and even influencing earth's tectonic plates.

Scalar induction has its own benefits as well as far as losses are concerned.
Bob