Tesla Stinging Impulse Rays

[TeslaSecrets]

@harishsingh
Yes this link is connected to exactly what we are discussing here.
I quote this from the link posted above by harishsingh: (**) added.

"Now the staggering implications of Dr Ehrenhaft's observations begin to unfold. Existence of such a thing as magnetic current, once established, would pave the way for industries as gigantic as those that the discovery of electricity led to in its time. A "gold rush" for practical applications might be expected.(* and the associated downfall of the previous system * ) Patents for them would command fabulous sums, since inventions employing magnetic current would be basic. (* and the associated worthlessness of the old technology * )

What form they may take, no man can foresee, and Dr Ehrenhaft cautiously declines to hazard a guess. Yet a visitor to his laboratory cannot resist the temptation to let his imagination run free. New kinds of motors and generators? Better ways to transmit power? Transformers that will work on direct current instead of alternating current?(*Tesla*) Radical methods of seeing things in the dark, and through microscopes and telescopes?( *Rife*) Ways to tap power from the magnetism of the Earth itself? (*Tesla, Moray*)And, in your home, substitution of magnetic current --- who ever got a shock from it? --- for electric current? "


Yes exactly. What he is talking about can be understood in terms of the Lorentz Force or "Right Hand Rule" and "electrostatic impulses". This "magnetic current" he discusses is the same as an "electrostatic impulse" as discussed in this forum. Again this is confusing terminology discussing the same "Electric action". We can readily consider Magnetic field as only the axis of "Electric Curl". This field of force we call magnetism, can be written entirely in terms of electric forces, as a special electric action occurring along one of the 3-dimensions related to the other 2.

Realize, if you have some 3-Dimensional volume in Space, your going to need 3 Forces to uphold the structure of this volume. No forces, no volume. Since there are 3 Dimensions, we need three forces or fields to provide the framework or definition for the volume. Remarkably we already know this 3 dimensional relationship, between 3 forces, ( or even 3 electric actions in the context of this thread ). It is the Lorentz Relationship or Right Hand Rule. This rule defines any and all Volumes of Space.

In a very simple way you could say our current civilization or culture or society is essentially powered by two out of these three forces and we have very little technology applying the third force. In a way we are still in a 2-Dimensional mindset and thus have difficulty grasping some of these 3-Dimensional relationships.

Using this science, the remarkable technologies discussed, are possible! You could easily design a house, whose very walls and structure contained "electrostatic impulses" or "magnetic currents" which could be tapped off at will, from any point in the house. IE floating lights, zero-source illumination, wireless power available to any device requiring it. The science behind Tesla's World Wireless leads to safe, efficient, non-polluting forms of energy for industry, transportation, a new form of elevator, ability to easily work stone, a better understanding of natural processes for increased food production and sustainability. Note this is the complete opposite direction in which we currently find ourselves.

Mainstream would have us believe our entire historical record is all just mysticism, myth and magic, crazy people telling crazy stories!! What if there is a "New Science" which completely agrees with the "Ancient Science"? Then what must we conclude?

Like I tried to explain earlier, Tesla's World Wireless System, is the technology for an entirely new type of civilization. It is not simply a modification or enhancement of AC technology. The impacts Tesla's World Wireless could have had on humanity are far more fantastic than most people realize. Which, I would hazard a guess, is the reason why many have never heard this information or chose not to hear.

I think people should not be so afraid to "Think Bigger and Better". We limit ourselves or have been limited. Was it not Einstein himself who said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge." I really hope my writing is inspiring someones "Imagination". My posts get so long, and yet I always feel like I am just skimming the surface or summarizing the information. Saying the same thing with different words. To explain every connection, principle, concept, nuance or detail in terms of modern physics, would take volumes, a lifetime. Its far easier to come at the whole problem from the other direction. Start with absolutely, utterly nothing, a void, and figure out how to get from that, to this.

This is related but it seemed out of place so it is at the end;

Let me throw out a another term which comes up in some discussions of this unique "electric action" or "magnetic current". Electromagnetic radiation as we know it can be described as "burning" radiation. In some discussions, you will find reference to what has been termed, "non-burning" radiation. The references using this terminology are obscure and fringe, however the terminology is valid. Electrostatic impulses cannot burn, per say. What is required for "burning" is a flow of current, the "burn" being due to an electrical friction, like drawing a rope through the hands. The motion, produces heat. With electrostatic high voltage impulses, we have little or no current flow, to cause burning. So again, we find "non-burning" as a reference to this unique "electric action" Note: the non-burning energy is the more natural or less harmful to life, form of energy.

I believe A new Concept of the Universe was the book Walter Russell wrote for the scientific community.

[harishsingh]

@harishsingh
Yes this link is connected to exactly what we are discussing here.
I quote this from the link posted above by harishsingh: (**) added.

"Now the staggering implications of Dr Ehrenhaft's observations begin to unfold. Existence of such a thing as magnetic current, once established, would pave the way for industries as gigantic as those that the discovery of electricity led to in its time. A "gold rush" for practical applications might be expected.(* and the associated downfall of the previous system * ) Patents for them would command fabulous sums, since inventions employing magnetic current would be basic. (* and the associated worthlessness of the old technology * )

What form they may take, no man can foresee, and Dr Ehrenhaft cautiously declines to hazard a guess. Yet a visitor to his laboratory cannot resist the temptation to let his imagination run free. New kinds of motors and generators? Better ways to transmit power?

Transformers that will work on direct current instead of alternating current?(*Tesla*)

@TeslaSecrets
Such a transformer already exsists!! If only we understood the nature of Tesla current, we could drive the world with oscillations ( radio or anything in the spectrum ).

We dont need high voltage to get Tesla current. Just a radical change in the geometry of the coil. Geometry keeps popping up - conical coils.

That's why I think this is one of the most important videos on the planet. Even though the most important discovery - zero current - is hidden in the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onTkrah_yFE

You wont see voltage measurement but it can be deduced from the lighting of the neon that its in the 100's of volts. There. We have a transformer !!
and look no losses from the transformer action or transmission (one wire) either !!

Will come back to this later. There is some interesting things we can do with pancake coils.


Regards,
HS

[TeslaSecrets]

I explained the advantages of the spiral coil in a previous post on this thread. I do not disagree the spiral coil is important.

In the video linked, you can clearly see on the scope he is using a very short, fast DC pulse, a voltage IMPULSE to drive this coil. The scope is showing voltage rise relative to ground. He is not running the coil off of a steady DC current.

This is exactly the waveform I have been describing. A pulse which is very short, primarily voltage but some current. He says this in the video, he is using a very short pulse, a 1% Duty Cycle he says. This voltage impulse in the primary is how we achieve the zero current situation in the secondary. Passing a steady direct CURRENT through this set-up will cause NO transformer action.

You need a rapid rise and fall in voltage, to operate a transformer on DC, a DC electrostatic impulse. This is the proper terminology for the waveform shown on the scope. Again, he is getting this effect because of the rapid rise and fall of voltage in his primary circuit. I pointed out the mechanical analogy of this is the "water hammer" effect which occurs in plumbing.

This will work with an ordinary transformer, but is just not as efficiently as a spiral coil. However, without using a similar waveform, you won't get significant results.


@GSM

I read on another topic you asked for an explanation of Hot and Cold electricity.
"In the Don Smith thread I have repeatedly challenged for anyone to define the difference between hot and cold electricity (electricity being related to electron charge motion) "

Do you see how what I have been describing in this thread, makes this distinction? We understand electricity as current or flow of charge, this is hot electricity, burning electricity, DC current, AC current. However we can have changes in Voltage only, without current flow, the Zero-Current condition, like the "water hammer" in plumbing, DC impulse. This is cold electricity. No current to burn or heat.

We can have motion of charge, a vector, current, hot. Or we can have changing magnitude of charge, a scalar, in which the charges do not move, only the magnitude of the charge is changing, cold. That is the difference.

So maybe it is better to say hot electricity, cold electrostatic. Your hair doesn't start on fire when you put your hands on a Van DaGraff generator, yet your hair does all move, forces and actions are still occurring, but no real current is flowing.

Same idea, different words again.

[GSM]

@GSM

I read on another topic you asked for an explanation of Hot and Cold electricity.
"In the Don Smith thread I have repeatedly challenged for anyone to define the difference between hot and cold electricity (electricity being related to electron charge motion) "

Do you see how what I have been describing in this thread, makes this distinction? We understand electricity as current or flow of charge, this is hot electricity, burning electricity, DC current, AC current. However we can have changes in Voltage only, without current flow, the Zero-Current condition, like the "water hammer" in plumbing, DC impulse. This is cold electricity. No current to burn or heat.

Thank you for your reply.

Please allow me to disagree by stating that there are normally only two ways for us to change the voltage potential of any body of matter;- either via electron charge flow = current, with co-existent magnetic field change; or non-electron (non-magnetic) photon radiation/ propagation/ transduction.
One is electricity ('+', '-', AC, pulse, electron, hole, ionic etc.) the other is via photonic electromagnetic radiation, which can possess any of 3 axes polarised excitation/ emission or any vectorial combination of same.

Of course we are taught to accept the transverse nature of sinusoidal EM radiation, but as Tesla clarified, there are no transverse 'waves', only photon streams. The transverse aspect refers only to the nature of electron current flow defining radiation and transduction.
This teaching and our 'learning' of the supposed existence of spatial 'waves', as we have all experienced/ witnessed and continues to this very day, is no less than a distracting imaginary concept which prevents us from thinking about this topic correctly !
Tesla stated in 1919 -
"The Hertz wave theory of wireless transmission may be kept up for some while, but I do not hesitate to say that in a short time it will be recognised as one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history."

Where an electron is not conventionally magnetically aligned by wire current flow, as occurs with a transient HV change over a dome etc., or with reflected or opposing vortexes similar to Walter Russell's explanations, it may be charged-discharged to energise/ radiate photons possessing spin axis normal to the conductor surface, and thus in line with the direction of radiation/ propagation.
Remember Tesla's domes and hemispheres !
It is when such photons are transduced over a distance that current free charge transfer occurs, though this is not via a flow of supposedly 'cold' electricity, nor like ionised air as per St Elmo's fire, though photons can ionise air too - dependent on frequency.

@GSM

We can have motion of charge, a vector, current, hot. Or we can have changing magnitude of charge, a scalar, in which the charges do not move, only the magnitude of the charge is changing, cold. That is the difference.

Yes, if not via ionised air this is the superluminal Pi/2 x 'c' scalar photon, ie. longitudinally generated electron excitation normal to surface, though with either longitudinal or transverse transduction due to shared spatial axis spin-field of recipient electon, this transfering charge without propagation path current flow. Also where excitation spin of radiation is unidirectional due to change of DC charge of one polarity, then the transduced output charge will also be unipolar.

Individually radiated photons within any propagating stream continuously embody amplitude, phase and frequency characterics as well as axial polarisation until transduced, and thus regenerate a time delayed identical charge variation within a distant atomic/ molecular electron orbit, unless characteristics/ direction of the photons/ stream are modified during propagation by a gravitational influence.

@GSM

So maybe it is better to say hot electricity, cold electrostatic. Your hair doesn't start on fire when you put your hands on a Van DaGraff generator, yet your hair does all move, forces and actions are still occurring, but no real current is flowing.

Same idea, different words again.

An electrostatic charge arises via *electron* displacement, whether +ve or -ve, and current does flow with a Van DeGraff generator, only very small. Yes dry hair can be made to move much like the leaves of an electroscope by electrostatic charge, but there is still a current flow plus magnetic field change associated with the displacement of that electron charge, for indeed this is the very basis of current flow and magnetism.
Of course electrostatic charge will carry throughout the extent of any body, and may be oscillated too, but that is still via electron excitation and requires current, unless the potential arises as the result of the non electric plus non magnetic field propagated transduction of a photonic quanta.

This by 'The OldScientist' is the best demonstration of scalar radiation I've ever seen;-

Superluminal Scalar Waves for Communications - YouTube

Excellent work.

Cheers .......... Graham.

[TeslaSecrets]

The video is an excellent demonstration of the this technology. Simple and to the point. I understand the reason for your disagreement, but there is more going on here then can be explained by simply "movement of charge" or the standard theories of "electromagnetic radiation". You will never understand Tesla's wireless impulse system in terms of current theory or electromagnetic radiation theory, this just is not what is happening.

According to your own explanation, that you must have current flow to transfer charge, this device could not work. Nor can it work according to the normal explanations of electromagnetic radiation, which cannot pass through the Faraday shield either. However, obviously he is propagating something which can be converted into a standard current flow by the radio within the Faraday shield, so there is an electric action of some type. You simply cannot pass a current charge or transverse electromagnetic radiation through a Faraday shield, so it must be passed using a different mode of electric action.

Again, I note in this experiment the use of a square wave to achieve this effect. Rapid rise and fall of voltage, again an impulse. No spiral coils, only a standard helical primary and secondary coil. So the only thing he changed in his transmitter was the WAVEFORM, to an impulse instead of an AC current. So changing the transmitter from the normal AC mode to the impulse mode, is what made this demonstration of scalar waves even possible.

It seems you argue against me, but the experiment in the video you link, here again he is using the exact same electric action as I have described, pulsed DC square waves. This experiment shows the concept to work just fine, even if one does not actually grasps the nature of what is really occurring. If I am wrong, why does the same waveform I am describing keep popping up in all these examples? It seems my explanation still stands.

you need to understand all electric waves in space propagate primarily in the longitudinal mode. When this longitudinal wave encounters, say the atoms of metal in an antenna, this longitudinal wave is converted into a transverse waves or transverse motion. Because, the longitudinal wave encounters the rotating atomic field, which causes the atom to precess. It is this precession which is responsible for the emission of transverse radiation. Transverse radiation occurs whenever longitudinal electric waves encounter mass. This is all readily proven by the principles used in a MRI machine.

Transverse waves, cannot penetrate the Faraday cage, because the cage effectively shorts out any current which might be induced in the surface of the cage. Trasverse waves would induce currents around the cage, which is conducting, therefor a shorted path. Longitudinal waves can readily pass through the Faraday cage, without attenuation, because the longitudinal wave effects the Faraday cage in a completely different manner.
Similarly it is extremely difficult to shield a sound wave, because is only a change in pressure which is propagating.

It is incorrect to say I am speaking of waves in space. I am talking about waves in electric pressure or voltage, which perhaps define a volume of space, without associated transferor movement of the charges within that space.

If we rapidly close the valve on a strong flow of water in a pipe, we get a pressure wave which propagates back through the pipe, away from the valve. Yet in this case, the system has been closed, water is incompressible and can no longer "move" in the pipe at all. Yet this pressure wave propagates nevertheless. I find it coincidental Tesla chose to speak about a medium which behaved like an "Incompressible Gas" when describing his impulse systems. The analogy is valid.

Saying you cannot have changing voltage without flow of current, is like saying you cannot have sound without wind. Sound and wind are two totally different modes of changing air pressure. Longitudinal waves and current flow are two totally different modes of changing electric pressure or voltage.

[TeslaSecrets]

I am really trying to do my best to explain this. I apologize if my efforts are not meeting expectations. Let me try to explain it another way.

When we had DC transmission, we could say we were using the DC waveform, which has its uses and applications. Then we realized there was another waveform which was more applicable to transmission and distribution of power, the AC waveform. So we built our our modern world up around AC technology. The DC Impulse is a third type of waveform, and it has its uses and applications as well, some much different than AC or DC. In a very simple sense each waveform leads to completely different technologies and applications, different culture.

I mentioned the water hammer effect and maybe have not made this connection clear. I would like to point out that what is being transmitted or propagated through the water, in water hammer, is a shock wave. Here you can read a simple definition of a shock wave.

Shock wave | Ask.com Encyclopedia

I quote from this page; " A shock wave travels through most media at a higher speed than an ordinary wave." Perhaps an electrical shock wave can travel faster than c? Does this concept not tie into some other threads discussed on this forum, like the c * pi/2. I know Tesla said he thought his impulse waves could travel faster than c. The velocity of sound ( or a longitudinal wave ) through a medium, depends on the compressibility of the fluid and its density.
If the fluid behaves like an incompressible gas, then we have a very high speed of propagation.

When we utilize a square wave, we get a rapid rise and fall of voltage. It is a rapid rise or fall of voltage, which causes this "electric shock wave".

I think the concept of an electric shock wave describes Tesla's stinging rays very well, but this thread seems to have got very quiet.

[GSM]

Hi TeslaSecrets.

Please refers to Tesla's own words.

There are no EM waves - it is a photon stream.
You cannot argue against me by using something which does not exist, and which can actually be shown to not exist, though most people do have difficulty un-learning what they have been taught.
Tom Bearden shows over several pages of his notes how there are NO EM waves.

You write about a voltage shock wave as if having special qualities. Yes the voltage shock wave is capable of exciting electrons on a different axis, thus of generating photonic radiation (scalar) not aligned by magnetic current.

No voltage field wave from a distance can pass through biscuit tins in open space as per the video. The shock in the video is at the coil end/ electrode only, and that which passes through sheet metal is the Pi/2 x 'c' photon having no component of energy acting in the same direction as that which it is propagating after being emitted by the charge changes of a longitudinally excited electron.

Please study Tesla's own designs. If you look at them from a 'wave' viewpoint they are meaningless, however, if you look at the them from the point of view of using voltage transients in order to beam or radiate longitudinally generated photons then his work falls into place.

Yes there are longitudinal waves we can make use of and can even be excited to 'water hammer' but these are ionic within a field, but ionic waves do not (cannot) energise something within two sealed metal enclosures as per the video.

You also do me a disservice by claiming I wrote - "Saying you cannot have changing voltage without flow of current".
Those words are taken out of context (!) and if you would care to check you will see I explained how this can actually happen (exactly the same way in which radio antennas transduce the photons of a radio transmitter broadcast),

If you wish to understand the wheelworks of Tesla's equipment, then you will need to work your way past the Hertzian Wave block as still presented as if correct. Apologies Eric Dollard, but I am thinking of your earlier lectures here, and which are still being uploaded via YouTube etc.

Cheers ............ Graham.

[TeslaSecrets]

GSM - "There are no EM waves - it is a photon stream."

I thought by definition a photon was an electromagnetic wave, I am not exactly sure what a photon stream would refer too, a stream of electromagnetic waves?
Or are you referring to the longitudinal component of the photon( S )?
Or are we back to the billiard ball Universe?

GSM - " Yes the voltage shock wave is capable of exciting electrons on a different axis, thus of generating photonic radiation (scalar) not aligned by magnetic current."

Radiation by its very definition is a vector quantity and cannot be a scalar. Photons are not scalar, they have magnitudes and direction. I do not follow what you mean by "radiation ( scalar )". Its a contradiction in terms. The shock wave is a pressure wave, a scalar, not a vector. Expansion or contraction, pressure increase or decrease, cannot be called a vector motion, it is a scalar change, it changes in all directions, not one.

GSM - "Please study Tesla's own designs. If you look at them from a 'wave' viewpoint they are meaningless, however, if you look at the them from the point of view of using voltage transients in order to beam or radiate longitudinally generated photons then his work falls into place."

Actually Tesla describes his Tesla Coil's as 1/4 WAVE transformers and uses the concept of waves in many different ways. The electric wave in a Tesla coil is remarkably similar to a sound wave in an open ended tube. A Tesla coil is not a beam device, nor is it a device which radiates, both concepts are incorrect to describe a Tesla coil, although Tesla did work on beam and radiative technologies. A "longitudinally generated photon" is the same as any other photon. There are not 2 different kinds of photons. However there are 2 different modes of propagation for an electric wave transverse and longitudinal. A square wave voltage transient, is still a WAVE. I think if you look at a Tesla Coil as causing a tremendous electric scalar shock wave, it goes a long long way to explaining his results and claims.

The water hammer like electrical effect is not ionic, neutral atoms will pass this electric shock wave as readily as ions. No electron dissociation need occur. If an ion or electron were involved, then we would have a scalar AND a DIRECTION, which is a VECTOR. Dissociation is wind, flow. Sound is pressure change only. We can have propagation of a pressure wave, without any real FLOW. Sorry but this is what is happening in water hammer, and the electric analogy is valid.

GSM - "You cannot argue against me by using something which does not exist"

Water hammer exists. Square waves exist. Shock waves exist. Rapid Rise and Fall of Voltage exists. What have I said which does not exist? I think the concept of an electric shock wave, is far more useful to visualize what is happening than saying, there is "no EM waves". How could we possibly use EM theory with one hand, and then throw EM waves away with the other? Seems like a good way to put someones mind into an infinite loop.

I have never heard of " no EM waves - it is a photon stream", "photon streams?" or "longitudinaly generated photons"
And I think the physicists would have a hey day with the comment, "NO EM waves" Saying there are No EM waves serves no purpose but to confuse.

GSM - "If you wish to understand the wheelworks of Tesla's equipment, then you will need to work your way past the Hertzian Wave block as still presented as if correct. "

Hertzian waves are transverse vector waves, not Longitudinal Scalar waves. I am not sure what you mean by me being blocked by this, as I have consistently clarified we are dealing with a longitudinal wave here. It seems you are confused about the real difference between vector propagation and scalar propagation. A longitudinal electric wave, does not require dissociation of electrons or ions or whatever, its a SCALAR. If an ion or electron were involved, then we would have a scalar AND a DIRECTION, which is a VECTOR. You really need to understand the difference between a scalar and a vector.

More importantly I do not see how your description clarifies anything about Tesla's work. You seem to be echoing others work, without actually understanding what they meant, and thus further confusing any ones chance to actually understand what is happening. I have read Eric Dollard's work and seen his videos, and nothing I have said so far, contradicts his work in any way. You will find rapid rise and fall or transient waves utilized in many of Eric's demonstrations.

I am trying to explain what Tesla was doing, with existing physics and terminology, real world analogies and examples. This is what is required to understand what Tesla was doing. A grounded, simple explanation, someone with little or no physics or electrical background could understand. If you cannot simplify the explanation, and use the existing scientific art and terminology to do so, then you probably do not really understand the process. If were going to start making up new words, combining terminologies and words in incorrect ways and disregarding existing science then people will forever remain in the dark. But thats probably the real goal of this forum anyway. Next thing will come the personal attacks on my character.

I have explained the waveform used to produce Stinging Rays, why it was used, why it causes the effect it does, the potential of using it as a system, provided simple examples and some real world analogies. Perhaps i should have put it on a silver platter with bows around it and a big neon sign.

I'm done here. Clearly my efforts are wasted. Good luck with your research all.

[GSM]

Excellent reply. Busy at moment. Back later today......... G

[Bob Smith]

I'm done here. Clearly my efforts are wasted. Good luck with your research all.

@Teslasecrets: I do hope you continue to post either here or elsewhere on this site. Reading your careful efforts to explain concepts and to answer to others' objections have been a valuable learning experience for me. I understand that within every debate there is a point of diminishing returns, however, please be aware that your conscientious efforts to bring clear understanding to this thread have not gone unnoticed.
Bob

[jake]

Let's do it

Can anyone reliably reproduce, or even unreliably reproduce an electrical discharge that stings @ 2 meters away?

[Sputins]

Cats-whisker.

Can anyone reliably reproduce, or even unreliably reproduce an electrical discharge that stings @ 2 meters away?

Working on it. (As the time, money and motivation allows).
A re-think and modification of the circuit I’ve already given; however as Mr Dollard suggested, the “trick” may have been with the “Cats-Whisker” type connection. (Or uni-directional spark gap).

• A series resonant LMD circuit; (The Magnetic & the Dielectric together in the same phase); Rectified to DC (or LMD DC)?; Charge Capacitor; Short circuit the Capacitor utilizing a unidirectional spark-gap or cats whisker. Shorted to a Primary loop or similar.

In my case I have some very nice examples of Galena & Pyrite crystals to experiment and work with. The Cat-whisker line of thought, (a diode of sorts). However enough talk; I’ll make a post or a video of my efforts, if the anomaly manifests again. I’d be happy with an un-reliable effect, felt from a short distance away.. (Better results may lead to some unwanted attention)?

[Nick_Z]

In working with my Exciter circuits last night I was able to produce a stinging field effect up to about 6 feet away from the main Exciter coil.
I could also feel some minor stinging HF or RF burn effects when I got close to my Pc. My Tv reception also went completely out, while this was going on. Both Tv as well as my computer are about 6 or 7 feet away from the running Exciter circuit.

There may be much more to photonic radiation, than what we know, or consider as an EM wave. Such as non EM radiation or waves,which can also exist.

It is my understanding that light propegates through a polarization process, with no actual movement of anything from point A to point B.
The so called "speed of light", is really the rate of this photonic polarization, but with nothing actually moving, (such as when a beam of light is "traveling" through space), as we are still being erroneously taught in school, and most everywhere else.
No need to correct me, with conventional rational, as I've heard it all before. I understand the frustration that others face. Not taking sides... but I feel this is an important matter, if we are to try to create or produce light ourselves, we must understand what light actually is- a non physical substance.

NickZ

[GSM]

GSM - "There are no EM waves - it is a photon stream."

I thought by definition a photon was an electromagnetic wave, I am not exactly sure what a photon stream would refer too, a stream of electromagnetic waves?
Or are you referring to the longitudinal component of the photon( S )?
Or are we back to the billiard ball Universe?

Apologies for this delay in replying, the previous two mornings I was too tired to have the necessary clear head.

I hope you are still here TeslaSecrets - this is too important to be saying "I'm done here".

The electromagnetic wave we were taught to *believe* in does not exist.
This is willful obfuscation, and is knowingly holding back developments for the ordinary man; so to your comment I must answer -
No; photons and EM waves are not interchangeable.

You cannot have a wave unless it propagates through a medium.

There is no EM wave propagating medium - no aether - no place for "Zero Point Energy" to come from, other than matter itself, which incudes ionised air/gas; though free space does have a natural impedance and reactance with all forms of circuitry which becomes negligible with increased interface voltage field, whether static or active.

A photon stream is a stream of photons emitted in time continuum, they propagate the radiated energy from electrons of a radiating body (matter) to electrons of a transducing body (matter). As they each propagate they retain individual time (phase) related electron spin characteristics as per their instant of energised (frequency) emission, and the more of them radiated the greater the received (amplitude) energy measured whether via current or voltage induced. Of course an equivalent 'wavelength' may be calculated from time/velocity of propagation distance from source, and indeed an equivalent 'field' strength might be established at any point by transducer placement/measurement; but there are NO WAVES, and there is NO EM FIELD.
'FIELDS' are located by and belong to that which generate them, as per volts and magnetism on/within matter; they do not, because they cannot, radiate into free space because they 'belong', unless energised to change amplitude/alternate radiate a wave through coupled matter.

It is also the electron alignment at the instant of excitation/radiation which determines the photon polarisation axis wrt to the three axes we normally imagine; whether transverse vertical or transverse horizontal via charge flow/electric current aligned free electron alignment as in a transmitting antenna, or rotating polarisation via phase shifted input for generating rotating vector circular polarisation, or, longitudinal polarisation via pure voltage transient or highly energetic/ high temperature atomic centres vibration.

Try to stop thinking about and using the words 'wavelength' and 'field' in relation to EM radiation and propagation, because these are inappropriate mental constructs which cannot be correctly illustrated because they do not exist, that is until the photons or photon stream are transduced to be measured, or the photon spin energy is influenced by the presence of other electrons of matter, or gravity, and thus are acted upon or induced to transduce some or all of the spin orientated energy quanta of a stream in a manner which appears to have been transfered as per an imaginary electic-magnetic wave.

Cheers .......... Graham.

[GSM]

In working with my Exciter circuits last night I was able to produce a stinging field effect up to about 6 feet away from the main Exciter coil.
I could also feel some minor stinging HF or RF burn effects when I got close to my Pc. My Tv reception also went completely out, while this was going on. Both Tv as well as my computer are about 6 or 7 feet away from the running Exciter circuit.

NickZ

Hi Nick,

A grounded Faraday Screen will determine whether this is due to a field wave, or is photonic.

The 'speed' of light is what we are told it is.
Moonbounce etc., proved the velocity for transversely/circularly polarised radiation having a component of spin orbit related radiation in the direction of propagation due to the circular electron orbit spin motion, thus at instants of photon stream excitation, electron spin rotation (positive and negative spatial amplitude components) are in the same direction as is the direction of radiation/propagation.

Any reflected light (Moonbounce) we observe has been polarised by the reflection, thus longitudinal EM radiation components are not seen/measured, if even transmitted by man in the first place. The longitudinal axis EM radiation/photons are not due to transversely excited (eg. current flow aligned in a Hertzian antenna) electrons, and thus do not have any spin motion in line with the direction of radiation slowing their effective radiation/propagation to that of 'c'.

Cheers .......... Graham.