Tesla Stinging Impulse Rays

[Nick_Z]

This all brings me to this point... so please forgive me if I bore some of you. I'll make this short.

In order to understand the idea of an Aether, we can't simply explain it by what we can see, or weigh, or can meassure with our instruments, as current science is still trying to do, or not do.
As an "Aether Meter" (dark matter meter) has not yet been invented.
And there is no physical "Matter" in the Aether to look for. Non physical "matter", does not exist. Things such as light are not "physical", in fact. although you may have heard or read differently.

The way I understand it is: that there are two main things, the seen univers, as well as the unseen one. As in multidimensional space and time.
There exists the material or physical worlds, but, there also exists the unseen Etherical worlds. The cause of the existence of the material worlds is due to the existence of these unseen Etherical worlds and realms, and not the other way around. The Aether creates the physical, in other words, from which it is made. I know that this is not an easy concept to grasp...
The cause of causes is to be found in the Aether, but, as nothing can create itself, and as current science give no credence to a "Creator" so therefore, it is missing out and blind on the most important point. Until we realize that we are not self made men, and that there is an underlying cause for all of life and existence, nothing our current science has to offer will really make much sense, as it is not a whole unified theory, but a partial one at best. Ignoring for the most part the true reason that things function as they do, and the why and how it is all happening.

I am not a religious man, so please don't take me wrong.
I do believe in a true and real cause of things, not in the current fragmented version.
As mentioned previously, Tesla was/is right... he did not make up those ideas and concepts that we still don't quite comprehend, entirely on paper, only. He is still one of our best examples of scientific truth.

NickZ

[GSM]

Ether or No Ether, that is the question.

I am not disagreeing with you with these next statements GSM, just pointing some things out. We must be careful saying EM energy always requires mass and there are no waves or fields, because the evidence says otherwise.

Hi TeslaSecrets and Nick_Z.

EM radiation is via matter (of excess charge or excitation).
EM transduction is via matter (inducing charge or excitation).
Once radiated, EM propagates without need for any specific type of aether or medium between radiation and transduction, and individual 'photons' or their stream will continue until impinging or influenced by other material relationships .

Free space is occupied by matter in gravitational and nucleonic relationships and additionally permeated by a myriad of EM propagations.

Relationships can involve cyclic, random, transient or manufactured effects, but EM radiation from afar does not propagate via a field or waves; any field or wave is associated with either the instant of radiation or transduction only, and that radiation or transduction is via matter only, irrespective of other gravitational, nucleonic or EM radiations coincidentally constituting any local ambient.

Has anyone ever seen PROOF of the existence of these travelling EM waves; especially a magnetic one; for a magnetic field is irrefutably inseparable from either charge flow or electron spin alignment, both aspects being matter related, and which simply do not exist in worthwhile consistent density through the deep space through which we telescope distant stars ?

Once emitted, photon quanta (light or radio) are not affected by a magnetic field, also, no matter how long you make the ferrite rod within a radio antenna coil it does not transduce more of the 'magnetic wave component' within any given radio 'field strength', because there is not any 'magnetic wave component' nor a 'field' in the first place; not until the transducing matter generates it, and with an antenna that matter relates to the free electrons in the wire of the antenna coil !

To claim some form of a magical aether, without providing evidence for same and stating exactly what it is, or by couching 'scientific' reasoning in Unifying Relativity, is a Belief based cop-out which blinkers our Real World vision !


Cheers ............. Graham.


PS. No matter what we write, there is not any overunity through longitudinally emitting EM via discharge impulse instead of transversely via current flow; the radiation merely has different characteristics. However, whether those characteristics might then be used to release excess energy from 'transducing' matter is worth investigating.

[antigraviticsystems1]

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[Nick_Z]

The vortex theory is what I am talking about. Also Tesla's ideas, concepts and inventions, and not current science based on fairy tales like the Big Bang. You can believe that theory, and what it implies, but I never will.
There is an Aether, and that is what all of what you see and don't see is coming from, made from, and is depending on.
Read some of Tesla's work, if you really want to know what I'm talking about. Do You? NO? Not really...
There is No need to repeat what we have already heard many times, as many of us have been educated and taught false theories in school.

We are still being taught conventional electrical and electronic theory, to make us slaves to their closed ended systems. Instead of showing us how to have freedom from having to buy their pay to have energy, which only they can legally provide. If they could sell you air to breath, they would.

A closed-ended system will never provide you with "free energy", and that is what we are here to promote, learn, and use. Even solar panels are being limited to have and provide less that 20% efficiency.

If you don't believe that there is a "sea of free energy" all around us, that we can tap into, then you'll never get the point of an alternative free energy forum, or device.
That free energy is the Aether, in conjunction with a Vortex.
I am NOT trying to convince you or anyone else, as that is your choice.

[jake]

Hi TeslaSecrets and Nick_Z.

.....Has anyone ever seen PROOF of the existence of these travelling EM waves; especially a magnetic one; for a magnetic field is irrefutably inseparable from either charge flow or electron spin alignment, both aspects being matter related, and which simply do not exist in worthwhile consistent density through the deep space through which we telescope distant stars ? .....


Cheers ............. Graham.

About 10years ago Time magazine did an article on the EMP's. Electro Magnetic pulse weapons. In that article they said if a high explosive was detonated inside a magnetic field the field would be compressed and thrown outward. Would this be the proof?

just asking..

jake

[TeslaSecrets]

@GSM

"To claim some form of a magical aether, without providing evidence for same and stating exactly what it is, or by couching 'scientific' reasoning in Unifying Relativity, is a Belief based cop-out which blinkers our Real World vision !"

You and Nick_Z both completely mis-understood what I was trying to say. I have pointed out exactly what this Ether is and why science does not recognize it, but obviously not well enough for the readers here to grasp it. I am not couching scientific reasoning, I require it for this explanation.

What you are talking about GSM is a billiard ball type of model. The mass creates a photon, which you are stating is independent of Space, travels through Space, until it hits another mass. Yes, in this model, the Space plays no role in the propagation. However there are many issues with this model, as I will point out in some detail.

I earlier brought up the "Missing mass model", which cannot be readily solved using your model. Thus the scientists have come up with ideas as equally magical an an Ether, such as ideas of Dark Energy and Dark matter. Nor can this model explain the origin of matter itself.

Using this model, we can smash atoms, and find these particles are made of smaller particles. Then we smashed sub-atomic particles, and found these are too composed of smaller particles. So the basic explanation for matter according to this model, is mass is made of smaller mass, which is made of even smaller mass. There is no doubt, if we keep smashing mass, we will get smaller and smaller mass, but this doesn't really tell us what mass is.

The same properties which apply to atoms, likely apply to sub-atomic particles and smaller, as well as the huge macroscopic effects we see in Deep Space. There are not separate laws in our Universe, for different scales. That would go against some of the founding principles of science itself. Yet again, this is where modern science stands, we have quantum theory for microscopic scales and relativity for macroscopic scales. Both fail at the opposite scale. If we understood what mass really was, we would know the reason for mass on all levels and not have this divided way of thinking. If we do not even know how mass is created and defined on an atomic scales and how this applies to cosmic scales, then by going deeper were only confusing the issue, complicating the issue with data not required to solve the problem. Instead of one jigsaw puzzle, we now have 3 or 4, but they all have a similar picture.

The explanation of Suns, pressing matter together into new combinations is a great idea and part of the process, however it too misses the final mark as it were. For there is no way we can just press a hydrogen atom into being. The whole nuclear creation process of matter, never really explains how the first building block is formed. Gravity alone cannot form a hydrogen atom. Nor can gravity alone explain how a single point of infinite mass in the big bang, became a bunch of hydrogen atoms in Space. There are innumerable objects and events being viewed in deep space, which cannot be explained solely by gravity and mass interactions. The explanations in modern physics for some of these effects has gone way beyond common sense, logic and reason.

Your mass model cannot explain mass diffraction, as I pointed out. How can a particle, diffract? Nor can it explain Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle, where we cannot know simultaneously the position and velocity of an electron. These experiments completely contradict the idea, an electron is only a particle.

What is mass made of( surely not more mass )? What is a photon made of? According to this model, charge is due to an electron, the mass. But in a photon we have no electron, no mass, so what is transferring the charge? We know we can charge objects just with photon energy, photoelectric effect. If charge is excess electrons, and photons are charging, where are the electrons coming from? Clearly something has been transfered from point A to point B, you say a photon, but what is a photon? It's not mass, we know that, but it can behave like mass, increase mass, decrease mass. Effect charge, and yet it can exist in free space. How?

How can gravity act at a distance through free space? This model requires Gravitons which so far are still a pretty magical idea Realize that in the Big Bang theory, Space was not outside the Big Bang, they do not know what was outside the Big Bang. All Space/Time was inside the big bang. The Space and the Mass was inside the Big Bang. They do not know the cause nor anything about the initiation which proceeded the Big Bang, nor anything about the environment within which the big bang formed, nothing. Only theories.

Gravity is related to mass, can you except that. What you seem to be saying is that EM is related to mass as well, if it must start and end on such and depends on mass only for its existence. This contradicts your own physics, because according to modern science, EM fields cannot be related to gravity thus they cannot be easily related as you say "just to mass". If mass is responsible for EM waves in the manner you say, then it should be easy to relate gravity to EM, but it is not.

How can electric action or gravitational effects, propagate through free space? Why is there a limit on how fast this can happen? If free Space were completely Empty and Void, there should not be anything to slow anything down, whether mass or photon. You yourself admit Space has impedance, how can nothing have impedance? Ridiculous.

We know space has both magnetic permeability and electric permeativity, which are both related to the velocity of light. These are physical properties of Space!! How can nothing have physical properties such as permeativity, permeability, K, impedance?? This model requires the physical characteristics of some medium and then claims there is nothing physical there. Rubbish.

Let me re-explain where the Ether lies, in terms of modern physics. We have three primary forces we should be concerned with. I am talking about forces with which we can have everyday direct practical experience. We call these forces Gravity, Electric and Magnetic. We need 3 forces, because a volume in Space is three dimensional. If we only had 2 forces, Space would be flat. We need three forces or dimensions or dimensions of action to define a volume. If your talking about gravity, your only talking about one component of the three, not the whole volume. Same if your only talking about the EM, your only talking about 2 out of the 3 then. If you want to grasp what the Ether really is, you have to combine all 3, period. Physics as of yet, cannot do this, thus they can form no concept of an Ether.

Modern physics is as incomplete as Tesla's dynamic theory of gravity. It does not and cannot provide the full solution. Having a bunch of separate parts of a clock working, is not a complete working clock.

You can see the Sun rise and Set each day, and we learned this was rotation of the Earth. You can get a compass and measure the direction of the magnetic field. You can raise a wire high into the sky and draw some electrical power. Each force along 3 separate axis,3-Dimensions, defining the space within which you are standing at that very moment. Observable and real, right now, where you sit. Gravity alone cannot define 3 dimensions.

You do not and cannot talk about the ether in terms of just EM actions, nor can you talk about the Ether in terms of just gravitation or mass. Neither alone fits the bill.

The evidence for the Ether, is in the combination of your gravity, electric and magnetic forces. You can split the Ether up into these three components, and discuss interactions, effects, actions of the components, or you can discuss the whole. Modern science doesn't understand the whole, so they can only talk about the components. The components are not the whole. Gestalt says the whole is more than the sum of its parts. You could know everything there possibly is to know about the component parts and still not grasp the whole picture. Is this not exactly where modern physics stands, a billion parts, with no idea how to put it all together? They have all the parts to build a clock, but cannot see it is a clock.

You say science proves there is no Ether and I say, for now. Science cannot explain so many things or provide the solution. From your point of view, science knows all and has already solved all the riddles, but we know this is not true. Be careful how firmly you stand on modern science, for modern science itself has been one retraction after the next. If we apply scientific method to science itself, we will observe the method has not been so perfect as you think it has. It has been one error after the next, with long periods of stagnation. Always though, the simplest solution for the greatest number of problems will win.

You can argue about which part of the clock is more important, or you can talk about the whole clock.

Science is supposed to be about simplification, and it is obvious that it has strayed very far from this goal. A unification theory is useless, if he has no practical, common sense, understandable and useful application of this knowledge in an everyday life. We need a solution which simplifies our lives, provides direction and answers, not one which adds complexity, divides and separates, asks only more and more questions. Modern science is all about compartmentalization, specialization and internalization which are means for suppression and control of information, not education. The right hand never even knows what the left hand is doing.

If someone is content to wander is such darkness and confusion, then all the power to them, I however prefer real answers, and am willing to stray from the group if that is what is required to get them.

[nat1971a]

+1 for Aether theory

[Nick_Z]

And Tesla was wrong... how boring this is... Where does it get you.
Keep paying your bills.

[TeslaSecrets]

"... how boring this is... "
So go play with your toys while the men talk or contribute something interesting. I'm not here to entertain you. I had someone complain to me once this was too complicated and I should be able to explain it in 5 minutes.
Do people really think they are just so smart, they can learn physics, EM theory, or relativity in 5 minutes. Give me a break. I already said as far as I was concerned, trying to explain this on a forum is a complete waste of my time.

I quote again from wiki, because wiki is quoting the sources of this information and the source is the man himself. I would say that is pretty reliable in this instance.

Source:
Lorentz ether theory | Ask.com Encyclopedia


Quote:
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Ether

Poincaré wrote in the sense of his conventionalist philosophy in 1889: [A 17] "Whether the ether exists or not matters little - let us leave that to the metaphysicians; what is essential for us is, that everything happens as if it existed, and that this hypothesis is found to be suitable for the explanation of phenomena. After all, have we any other reason for believing in the existence of material objects? That, too, is only a convenient hypothesis; only, it will never cease to be so, while some day, no doubt, the ether will be thrown aside as useless."

He also denied the existence of absolute space and time by saying in 1901:[A 18] "1. There is no absolute space, and we only conceive of relative motion ; and yet in most cases mechanical facts are enunciated as if there is an absolute space to which they can be referred. 2. There is no absolute time. When we say that two periods are equal, the statement has no meaning, and can only acquire a meaning by a convention. 3. Not only have we no direct intuition of the equality of two periods, but we have not even direct intuition of the simultaneity of two events occurring in two different places. I have explained this in an article entitled "Mesure du Temps" [1898]. 4. Finally, is not our Euclidean geometry in itself only a kind of convention of language?"

However, Poincaré himself never abandoned the ether hypothesis and stated in 1900: [A 14] "Does our ether actually exist ? We know the origin of our belief in the ether. If light takes several years to reach us from a distant star, it is no longer on the star, nor is it on the earth. It must be somewhere, and supported, so to speak, by some material agency." And referring to the Fizeau experiment, he even wrote: "The ether is all but in our grasp." He also said the ether is necessary to harmonize Lorentz's theory with Newton's third law. Even in 1912 in a paper called "The Quantum theory", Poincaré ten times used the word "ether", and described light as "luminous vibrations of the ether".[A 19]

And although he admitted the relative and conventional character of space and time, he believed that the classical convention is more "convenient" and continued to distinguish between "true" time in the ether and "apparent" time in moving systems. Addressing the question if a new convention of space and time is needed he wrote in 1912:[A 20] "Shall we be obliged to modify our conclusions? Certainly not; we had adopted a convention because it seemed convenient and we had said that nothing could constrain us to abandon it. Today some physicists want to adopt a new convention. It is not that they are constrained to do so; they consider this new convention more convenient; that is all. And those who are not of this opinion can legitimately retain the old one in order not to disturb their old habits, I believe, just between us, that this is what they shall do for a long time to come."

Also Lorentz argued during his lifetime that in all frames of reference this one has to be preferred, in which the ether is at rest. Clocks in this frame are showing the "real“ time and simultaneity is not relative. However, if the correctness of the relativity principle is accepted, it is impossible to find this system by experiment.[A 21]

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This theory is in complete agreement with Relativity and is argued by some to proceed Einstein's relativity. It is upon this theory I am basing many of my arguments. Furthermore, this theory explains the connection between EM and gravity better than relativity, and in a way people can understand. The electron spin issue doesn't come up, mass diffraction is explained and we end up not needing quantum theory either. Not to mention the greater ease with which we can engineer real applications. Good stuff. But no, all everyone ever talks about is the Rock Star of Physics.

In simple terms, Poincare discovered( co-discovered - whatever ) relativity and still believed in an Ether. So I am with Poincare.

[TeslaSecrets]

Let me just summarize:
I do not want to debate the Ether.
My point is:
It does not really matter if Ether exists or not.

The point remains:
Space has physical properties or states and behaves as if there was an Ether.

Either way we have a way to send longitudinal and transverse waves through free space.

It is not a great leap to "apply the analogy of a shock wave in such a space", or "to consider the possibility of reacting with such a space" or " discover new properties within such a space" or even "apply old principles in unique ways using a simpler concept of space".

[TeslaSecrets]

@Nick_Z

Actually, aliens told me all this

Does that make it more exciting?

[Nick_Z]

What happened to the "Tesla stinging impulse rays", all BS? He was all wrong, and didn't know what he was doing?

Ok, that's it for me... I wanted to discuss what this thread is about.
This other stuff, I'll leave that up to you guys to hash out.

@Antigraviticsystem1:
Thank you for your posts and information. I wish you the best with your experiments, and hope to hear more of your work....
Pura Vida,
Nick_Z

[TeslaSecrets]

If you read what I posted, you will find I have pointed out in some detail the requirements, nature and mechanism of Tesla's Stinging Rays.

The basic idea of what I have just discussed is Space has physical properties which can not only propagate transverse waves but can likewise propagate longitudinal waves. thus Space can very likely propagate a "Shock Wave", which is likely what Tesla's Stinging rays actually were, some kind of intense, electrostatic like, shock wave in Space.

We need a rapid rise in high voltage to generate this shock wave. You can find some excellent information about the specific waveform which creates a shock wave and properties of a shock wave here:

http://www.eng.bu.edu/~robinc/pubs/C...teerSTEU06.pdf

Most interesting is that a shock wave actually increases the density of the medium through which it is passing, and thus in this region of increased density, the wave velocity is increased. Thus a shock wave can travel faster through a medium, than a normal wave. Which, if applicable to Space, is truly remarkable.

All this seems to support what Tesla was describing and provides the theoretical framework within which to discuss Tesla's discoveries.

[TeslaSecrets]

Here is an excellent video almost completely replicating what Tesla was doing when he discovered his stinging rays.

They call it a "Thumper" and it is an "Impulse generator"

The only difference between this and what Tesla was doing is the current voltage ratio. This "thumper" uses about 1800 V but unleashes a very high current 80,000 Amps. Tesla was doing this with low current and very high voltage.

Note this isn't a cheap experiment to reproduce.

Geek Group Impulse Generator Demonstration – Project Thumper - Hacked Gadgets – DIY Tech Blog

[boguslaw]

About ether theory I agree with TeslaSecrets. Current science can measure, describe, allow to build some devices but cannot give us understanding or nature. It's a artificially created magic wand - you can be taught how to use it but you will never know why it works.

Back to stinging waves because they seems to be important.