Tesla Stinging Impulse Rays

[Hobby Eon]

Hollywood leaks ?

Tenaus wrote... My type of explanations there

Hollywood, Back to the future. Mad doc says .. 3.8 gigawatts with my flux capacitor...
And in X men, where the are in a metal dome ... Magneto says "...Electricity in a metal conductor ??
Do you learn nothing in school these days ?" And i got more of those examples.
That sort of stuff makes my day folks. It really does.

[TeslaSecrets]

Space is not 3 dimensional.

Uh, its seems to me we live in a 3 dimensional world moving in time. Maybe you see the world around you as one dimensional, I do not. What I specifically meant by this statement, is a whirlpool on the surface of a body of water, is not the same as a "whirlpool" or vortex, within or underneath the surface. The surface limits the motion somewhat, whereas within the body of water, we can have different motions than on the surface.

So we've gone back to giving space properties?

Yes, free space has Permeability and Permeativity. I am not giving space these properties, nor does it matter whether you want to believe in these properties of space or not, they can be measured, they are very real. This is known and proven and can be used to determine the velocity of light. I said previously,

How can nothing, have permeability and permeativity?

Please make sure you understand what permeability and permeativity are.

I suppose, however, since space needs the Aether to be defined, either theory of space would work the same way.

Yes, there are two ways to look at it, but they are essentially saying the same thing. Tesla says the same thing I just said in basically the same way.
The difference is Tesla is saying the primary substance, fills all space, except if this substance fills all space, then how can we separate it from said space? Would not such a primary substance thus define space itself? I think this is just picking at the wording, and not grasping the concept. A philosophical discussion for another time perhaps.

all perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the Akasha or luminiferous ether, which is acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never ending cycles all things and phenomena. The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance.Nikola Tesla

Is this not nearly identical to what I wrote previously, right from Tesla himself? The motion is important.

how does this directly relate to the topic of the thread, Tesla's Stinging Waves?

I am trying to show a connection. Realize, since we observe our reality to exist as 3 dimensional moving in Time, space or the primary substance must have 3 properties, Permeativity, Permeability and a "third Property". It is this third, mostly unrecognized property of space, which connects all this to Tesla's Stinging Rays. We cannot think of any electromagnetic device as simply as a two dimensional relationship, with just electric and magnetic fields, there is a third or primary field, upon which the electromagnetic field reacts. I find this is a difficult notion for people to fully grasp, we are not accustomed to thinking of a 3-dimensional relationship. For most people are in a 2-dimensional reality( or one dimensional ), the flat Earth, sure we know it is a sphere, but we live upon it as if it were flat, and this is why we presumed as much for so long.

There is a relationship between electric and magnetic fields, but there is a relationship between electromagnetic fields and a third field. All mutually orthogonal, thus defining 3 dimensions. Once we know the relationship between electromagnetism and this third field, we will be able to engineer it, as easily as we engineer electric to magnetic and magnetic to electric now.

If we are considering only electric and magnetic fields, its like looking at only 2 sides of a triangle.

[dR-Green]

My car is a very advanced multi-dimensional space machine with simplified controls. To change my dimension I simply turn a "steering wheel" and I'm thrust into that new dimension. Amazing.

[Tenaus]

Yes, free space has Permeability and Permeativity. I am not giving space these properties, nor does it matter whether you want to believe in these properties of space or not, they can be measured, they are very real. This is known and proven and can be used to determine the velocity of light. I said previously,

You could say that free space is filled with Aether and that is why you can measure those two qualities. But in the end it doesn't matter, because it's really the same thing. I suppose your explanation would be less heretical in the eyes of mainstream science. xD

Uh, its seems to me we live in a 3 dimensional world moving in time. Maybe you see the world around you as one dimensional, I do not. What I specifically meant by this statement, is a whirlpool on the surface of a body of water, is not the same as a "whirlpool" or vortex, within or underneath the surface. The surface limits the motion somewhat, whereas within the body of water, we can have different motions than on the surface.

I think what they're trying to say is this: the 3 axises and points and slopes we learned about in Geometry are only mathematical abstractions to help us understand how and then graph shapes which can be mathematically mapped.

In reality we are only living in the space which we live... It's hard to directly explain because the only way I've heard it described is with circular logic. We certainly can describe how things move using a 3-dimensional graph, but that does not mean that there is some background that can be used to track every point we pass through.

I don't think I explained it in the best way possible, but there it is.

But quite honestly I'm getting tired of people coming here and doing exactly what they criticize students of doing--parroting every thing the teacher says without any skepticism. That is, parroting Eric Dollard's theory about dimensions.

[TeslaSecrets]

If you ask me a question, and you disprove of my reply because you have already made up your mind as to what the answer should be, then why ask in the first place?

That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to the other, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it.
- Sir Issac Newton

"Matter at rest, if such a thing could exist, would be matter dead. Death of matter! Never has a sentence of deeper philosophical meaning been uttered."-Nikola Tesla

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble." - Albert Einstein

[TeslaSecrets]

@Tenaus

Yes, what I am saying is considered heretical according to some mainstream science.

"New ideas are always criticized - not because an idea lacks merit, but because it might turn out to be workable, which would threaten the reputations of many people whose opinions conflict with it. Some people may even lose their jobs."

I am not talking about mathematical abstractions and grids or axis. I am simply talking about reality having an up/down, left/right and front/back, which is hardly an abstract notion, as dR-Green so elegantly pointed out.

What is difficult for people to understand is there is an underlying mechanism of forces and fields which give rise to these notions of 3 dimensions. There are forces and fields in Space/Time which define these directions or dimensions.

It is well known an electric field can create a magnetic field, which will be perpendicular to the electric field. That is the magnetic field is always 90 degrees or perpendicular or orthogonal to the electric field. Except these are only two forces, and two forces or fields cannot define a Volume, we need three.

[Hobby Eon]

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You could say that free space is filled with Aether and that is why you can measure those two qualities. But in the end it doesn't matter, because it's really the same thing. I suppose your explanation would be less heretical in the eyes of mainstream science. xD

But quite honestly I'm getting tired of people coming here and doing exactly what they criticize students of doing--parroting every thing the teacher says without any skepticism. That is, parroting Eric Dollard's theory about dimensions.

[JamesOwens]

"In the first video the electric arc produces no noise and as you can see is warped by the action of the magnetic field of the magnet at the end except that by varying the conditions that hit him a few cycles until it stops working and **** Too.

In the second video noise is caused by mechanical pressure on the surrounding air plasma, namely, the noise frequency that corresponds approximately to the number of times per second that is created and the plasma is extinguished by the action of electric field magnetic, I have yet to be determined by whether or not the oscilloscope electrical circuit is opened and closed as often suggests the noise generated, greetings"

Thank you for raising this subject. We must understand their yet exists an explanation, of, how exactly, Tesla measured his DC pulse-rate precisely and with so much confidence. It is up to us, to determine this or devise our own reliable methods. So often, we rely on modern methods to replicate his 100 plus year old technology. The questions abound. It is up to you, and talented people like you to show us the way. Thank you for your post - most interesting indeed!

[JamesOwens]

"Stinging Rays"

Let us not forget that the "stinging rays" were an effect that Tesla tried to eliminate for obvious health and safety reasons. To eliminate the "Stinging Rays" one must first understand what they are and what they represent. These "stinging Rays" are essentially no different in character or essence the that of standard electricity. Please try to understand that Tesla desperately separated himself from the study and practice of electricity in his latter years to focus on, what he called, Radioncs. Radionics, for the standard student of electronics, has almost a Zen like quality to it. Radionics is Electricity without the electron! This is at best, if almost impossible for those that are trained and schooled in electronics to understand. It is the sound of one hand clapping! For electronics enthusiasts who make the inevitable mistake of assuming that ,since they can, often, use the same electronic components, that they can apply the same rules of electron theory or Ohm's Law. THIS IS NOT TRUE! The vast, IMPORTANT, work of Tesla gave it's fruition only after he strives to FILTER out the electrons and get to the Neutrally charged particles, virtually mass-less, which surrounded the electron in great number. These particles, when longitudinally motivated by a PURE DC voltage of considerable power(Several Kilo-Volts), would inevitable produce a uni-direction vector of a NEUTRAL power stream, hydro-dynamically ,uncompressed which , when understood and handled properly would, not only do work, but would unleash extraordinary effects and new possibility's that standard (negatively charged)electronics could never promise due to the limitations of , the relatively heavy(Negatively CHARGED) particles and the embedded transverse nature of the aforementioned. These "Stinging Ray" sting because they still have electrons in them. Remove the electrons-Remove the sting! Neutrally charged particle have zero sting! Remember-Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less(pulsed pure hi-V dc) were employed. It's power can be transmitted on one line, not two, as a result, you don't waste half of your energy destroying the di-pole in the battery that gives you power in the first place! Our current-day energy systems are designed to bite the hands that feed them. In the words of our beloved and esteemed colleague Col. Tom Bearden (retired), "That this is no way to run a railroad!"- getting down to plain country boy language, so to speak. Finally, I wish to thank you or your input. You are asking the right questions, and that is a tribute to you. We all share a common destiny. Our children and grand children will share this good earth together. Thank you so much for your thoughts and sharing. God bless - and take care. - James. O.

[JamesOwens]

"Stinging Rays"

To be short, make sure your pulses are 100 Micro-seconds or less. Eliminate, with extreme prejudice, any back-rush or ac components or oscillations- as Tesla did. You must have a PURE DC discharge! This will produce the radiant event, that Tesla described. Only then, with great discipline and observation, can you hope to achieve the same results. I wish you all luck and prosperity.
- "My time is short, what I do, I do for my son and his son's future. This is my sole motivation". - James Owens

[boguslaw]

Oh, boy... what a mystery.... Why ? I think the explanation is really simple.
The radiant energy ionized air and produced current which when grounded through body would cause a sting pain. The same you can do when rubbing acrylic sweater and touching the grounded pipe - it hurts.
It is known that some radio waves can ionize air , but here is a radio wave with some special properties, not undulating like AC but rather propagating like a thunder. I believe this is the proper explanation. Just radio waves but special one, the difference being like between common white light and one frequency blue laser beam polarized EM wave. Tesla always said there is only one electricity.... Simply when rising frequency the produced current is higher frequency and flow over the surface more easily then through then body (so called skin effect).

[tellli]

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[boguslaw]

2015 in few days, do you have the same explanation ?

You had time to think. Do you have ANY explanation or want to take the cake that others baked ?

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I have been studying different methods of breaking arcs of late, trying to understand the true meaning of unidirectional impulses.

It would seem that it is nothing more than a short pulse with fast rise and fall times and can even be done with ac when the arc break is done synchronized with the top of the ac wave.

When used with a capacitor discharge, the trick to unidirectional impulse is to prevent oscillations of reverse polarity. Of course, the high voltage diode could be of use in that situation.

The real question of the stinging impulse is whether or not it is even a real phenomena or something completely different than has been reported by Vassilatos.

Given that with todays high voltage, high current pulses created in labs around the world, why has this stinging impulse phenomena never been reported?

I also wonder if anyone here, perhaps during experimentation with inductive loads and their ability to produce BEMF spikes has experienced anything like this?

Here are words reportedly from an interview with Tesla: "Then, sometimes, a particle larger than an electron, but still very tiny, would break off from the cathode, pass out of the tube and hit him. He said he could feel a sharp, stinging pain where it entered his body, and again at the place where it passed out.

That a particle or particles are involved is in direct opposition to the story portrayed by Vassilatos. Does anyone have the writings of Tesla where the Vassilatos story originated or is this account simply a Gary Vassilatos wet dream? If Tesla wrote the original account then that is a book that I would buy.

Any help would be appreciated

[thx1138]

I have been studying different methods of breaking arcs of late, trying to understand the true meaning of unidirectional impulses.

It would seem that it is nothing more than a short pulse with fast rise and fall times and can even be done with ac when the arc break is done synchronized with the top of the ac wave.

When used with a capacitor discharge, the trick to unidirectional impulse is to prevent oscillations of reverse polarity. Of course, the high voltage diode could be of use in that situation.

Semiconductor diodes will always have a small amount of reverse current. Tesla has patents for 6 or 7 "circuit controllers", as he calls them, that use mercury. Why mercury? "Mercury arc rectifiers (also known as Cooper-Hewitt or Hewittic rectifiers) were extensively used to provide DC in high power applications, powers ranging from kilowatts up to a few megawatts, at voltages ranging from 110V to 30KV. Their operation is based on the discovery that an arc between a pool of mercury and a metal anode only allows current to pass in one direction. " [Underline added by me] Mercury Arc Rectifiers

The real question of the stinging impulse is whether or not it is even a real phenomena or something completely different than has been reported by Vassilatos.

I suspect Gerry Vassilatos took a bunch of pieces of different experiences and wove them into a story to generate interest in his work. If you read his Secrets of Cold War Technology closely you'll see he states things as facts that couldn't possibly be known unless he was actually there which he obviously couldn't have been. He also provides no references at all. At best, I would categorize it as historical fiction.

Here are words reportedly from an interview with Tesla: "[FONT=Arial][B][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Then, sometimes, a particle larger than an electron, but still very tiny, would break off from the cathode, pass out of the tube and hit him. He said he could feel a sharp, stinging pain where it entered his body, and again at the place where it passed out.

After three years, and it will be four in April, of studying Tesla's work I've come to the point that I disregard anything any third party says about Tesla's work.

There are a few keys to studying Tesla's work. Go straight to what Tesla said, not what people say about what Tesla said. He has a huge body of work and he worked on many concepts simultaneously but to learn about one thing you need to go through his work looking for references to that one thing and not get sidetracked by all the other things he was working on.

And you must understand what was not known at the time of the article, interview, or patent application. Most of what we know today was unknown at the time. A few examples are that when he started the atom was considered the absolute minima of matter. There were no subatomic particles nor, in the scientists of the day's minds, could there be any subatomic particles. Galaxies were unknown. They thought at the time that each twinkling point in the night sky was a sun similar to our own. The science of geophysics didn't exist and the interior of the planet more than a couple of miles deep was unknown. Plate tectonics was unknown and didn't become accepted until the 1960's. The Van Allen radiation belts were unknown. That's just a few things off the top of my head. To think about the 1880's or earlier imagine no electricity, no petrochemicals so no cars or trucks to deliver goods. No refrigeration existed so all food was fresh and think about the logistics of feeding the population New York City under those circumstances. Powered transportation was coal powered railroads and ships. Once goods or food came off the railcar or ship it was delivered by wagon.

That a particle or particles are involved is in direct opposition to the story portrayed by Vassilatos. Does anyone have the writings of Tesla where the Vassilatos story originated or is this account simply a Gary Vassilatos wet dream? If Tesla wrote the original account then that is a book that I would buy.

Any help would be appreciated

What we today call subatomic particles are definitely involved in "radiant energy" and Tesla did not "discover" radiant energy. I'm working on another post, with references, to clarify what Tesla was speaking of when he spoke of radiant energy, where that train of thought originated, and how the term ties into his work.