My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[Ufopolitics]

Acceleration Under Load...

Hello to All,

Here, finally am done uploading this Video now related to the same Five Pole Structure...but using another Rotor winding Spec's...higher Resistance, lower Amperage Draw...still showing the "Effects"...basically the ACCELERATION UNDER LOAD...we get out of this so little Machine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yInb...ature=youtu.be

Hope You enjoy it...


Regards to All


Ufopolitics

[Zardox]

Thanks

Thanks for the link Garry. I think I'll order a few of those. I have been collecting motors for quite some time now but don't have two of the same kind. I don't want to do another RS motor.

[marxist]

Hi ufo,

thanks for your latest video that shows the diffence in performance between an NN-pair 5-pole RS motor and the old NS-pair type.

But let's look at the idea of expanding NN-pairs into NN-groups:

Above I have done only G1(Blue) and G10 (leaving contact at Brush "M" according to rotation) in Aqua Blue...

Note what I wrote before...Each Group overlaps the next...LOOK AT G2 Coil(1) is EXACTLY wound where G1 Coil(2) is...this makes an awesome "continuation" of transferring power from one Group to the next...and so on and on...

I agree about the awesome field continuity.
However, your last drawing also makes it clear that in a 2-stator 10-pole motor not just two coils will overlap but 5 will, if I am not mistaken.
This is a lot of overlapping copper winds, considering that only one group and the next will be energized simultaneously at any point in time - that is two of the 5 overlaps, if my understanding is correct.

It will be real difficult to fit all the wire, unless one uses very thin gauges - see shylo's awesome work.
It should first be explored if it is really feasible to wind so many coils above each other or whether it is not better to stick to low number groups, i.e. groups of two, i.e. pairs, like in the NN-pair 5-pole RS motor shown in your video.
That is guaranteed to work and it will already give good field continuity.
In my understanding it is good advice that you give, when you caution people to first wind small motors in the group style before attempting bigger machines.

I have not quite understood: Is it good to work with thin wire to raise the resistance per coil? In that case groups may be the way to go.
But I think field-strength is related to (high) amperage, and we need high field strength for high torque, no? So we need (relatively) thick wire !?

[GChilders]

new video

@ufoPolitics

Wow!! Once again totally blown away, and utterly amazed!! What a performance that little motor gave. 44,000 rpm on 12 volts, simply unbelievable performance with the new wind. Can't wait to take the motors that I just got today and try out this new wind on the goldmine.
you are the master and we all learn together on this journey. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers Garry

[GChilders]

goldmine motor

@ Zardox

This is an old link but it still works, unfortunately the price has changed!!

Electronic Goldmine - 12VDC Motor

cheers

Garry

[shylo]

12 groups

Hi All, I have 12 groups wound , this motor runs cold, and draws very little.

UFO, The stator magnets are the field of main concern, they never change??
G1 & G11 see the same , G6 & G16 see the same ,but opposite of 1 & 11.
So 1 11 6 16 are the same group??
How do you wind a group?
Everything I wind is CW ,....I wind four poles of the rotor ( 1 to 4 ), 20 turns, On the return to 1 , I stop short at pole 2 , and proceed to wind 20 turns ( 2 to 5 ) and so on.

This is the first motor I've run that doesn't draw batteries down when a load is applied.

Forgot to mention I found the groups need to fire with a space , it gets too hot one after the next.

I tried winding the groups , one after the next , but I think they need room to collapse?
Sorry I can't be of any help.
artv

[Cornboy 555]

Thanks Everyone, for help on viewing YOUTUBE, i downloaded latest flash player, still went to Real Player, then because Brian 516's, sugestion seemed the next most simple thing to try, i downloaded Kingsoft PC Doctor, and bingo, UFO's vid comes up on YOUTUBE AU now, with excellent quality. I will watch your video tonight UFO, thanks.

Warm Regards, Cornboy.

[Zardox]

Question for GChilders

Garry - Which of the goldmine motors are you using?

[asollid]

This 50 turn motor runs on lower voltage than the stock RS motor even tho the resistance is a lot higher than the stock motor. I havent checked it for the "EFFECT" yet. This thread is getting more interesting all the time- RADIANT ENERGY RAYS?!!!?

[laserjo]

Great Video

HI ufo loved the video i would like to try a 16 pole motor like the my1025
model but not sure about the groups etc is their any chance you could
do a drawing for this one thanks .keep up the great work.

[Ufopolitics]

Roger that, I just miscounted and I just thought it had to be that the last coil was small. My first effort had more counting errors. Here is my redo.



In your post you do seem to verify that I got the total number of poles correct according to your latest thoughts. I applied the ratio of the RS pole (3:5) to 20 poles to get 12 total per group and tried to copy the winding pattern of your quad stator diagrams of your 20 pole Bosch. I am close to finishing my comms.

So Ufo this pattern good to go? Brush positions right? (used RS brush locations)

No probs with where I need to start and end the group coil due to my comms needing the wire to come in at an angle on the connectors, as far as I can tell I hope.

So I am estimating various wrapping configs
19ga wire to come in at .2ohm at about 25'+/-3' per group
21ga wire to come in at .5ohm at about 40'+/-5' per group
my quadfilar 30ga to come in at 1 ohm at about 40' per group

Heating has always been an issue for my asym motors so I am leaning toward my quadfilar. You did not think the quad would be heavy enough in a previous post, but shylo is mentioning heating problems also, and lots of power (on partially wound machines?) You are indicating that a group resistance should be less than 1 ohm, so the quadfilar is right on the edge.

If you think it advisable to build a smaller prototype, I have a lot of 10-pole components around from car window motors. and I still have my QP10, (which lost a brush set, used solder to connect brush wires, easy fix I expect)

Hello Sam,

Yes, NOW that Pattern is "Good to Go"......perfect!

Try to get as many turns per coil as you could, calculating you will have enough room for other Groups, All Coils MUST HAVE same amount of Turns...DO NOT CHEAT THERE!!...realize that ALSO each Group OVERLAPS with Next Group by just one pole difference ahead or behind...depending on its positioning

Yes, I recommend to wind first a Ten Pole smaller type...like a "P10" but using Groups...in a Ten Pole each Coil would grab Three Poles...or each Group will comprehend SIX Poles...

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Above I have done only G1(Blue) and G10 (leaving contact at Brush "M" according to rotation) in Aqua Blue...

Note what I wrote before...Each Group overlaps the next...LOOK AT G2 Coil(1) is EXACTLY wound where G1 Coil(2) is...this makes an awesome "continuation" of transferring power from one Group to the next...and so on and on...

Please observe G1 Coil (1) center Pole (Bisector)... is passing North Stator Dead Center...or Stator Bisector...while this Group is STARTING to make contact with brush, according to Rotation...while note that G1 Coil(4) Center Pole of the Three is further away (wider angle) from South Stator Dead Center or Stator Bisector...This is very important!!...

Forget about Shylo overheating issues...read my EDIT to his post...He is winding ALL GROUPS in Series then feeding them all at ONCE through a junction...meaning in Parallel...

That little RS Motor I run the heck out off... in Video...at the end was at 90º F...which is Florida Room Temperature at time I was filming......I just did not add that track because it was too long already for the 25 minutes Max allowance I got on YT...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[brian516]

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It seems that everyone is putting a whole lot of time and effort into figuring out what size wire and how many wraps of it to use for optimal performance.... is there any way we can come up with some formulas to calculate this?? I used to be one heck of a math whiz before I let myself get sucked into the underworld, so I have to gain that back now. I'm working on it now, but I need to get my hands on some books to speed up the process. I'm going to work on the formula idea, but I'm definitely going to need info I don't have yet in order to do so, so if it is possible, which I believe it is, I'll do my best to figure it out..... unless there already is something out there? it seems to me that all that is really going to be needed is some sort of value put to the CEMF.....???

[sampojo]

more firefox tricks

Hmmm, Must be my computer. Crap.

Hey Cornman howgozit? To add to what UFO recommends, go to help/Trouble shooting information, brings up a new page that has a reset button, cleaning the entire firefox installation to it new install condition.

[Ufopolitics]

You Tube Issues...

Hmmm, Must be my computer. Crap.

Hello Cornboy,

Nope, it is not your PC.

There is an issue with YT rerouting Navigator to <m.youtube.com> which is a Mobile Phone extension...then it ask you to choose a Player to see video.

If you "Clear All Cookies" or "Delete All Cookies" while on You Tube site, you should be able to watch it fine with You Tube Player.

like I wrote to Shylo having same issues...

If You are using Fire Fox...while being on You Tube...go to Tools/Page Info>>>and at bottom of this window press "Details"/ then press "View Cookies" (will open another small window called "Cookies")...then press "Remove All Cookies"...at bottom center

Restart Fire Fox...go to You Tube again...it should be fine now.

Try using Internet Explorer and see if there you could watch it ok...

The other thing I recommend is to download the latest version of Flash Player through Navigator Plugins...


Let Us know Friend


Kind Regards


Ufopolitics

[sampojo]

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