My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[iankoglin]

Excellent job Kogs, well done, Jeeze those imperials are a good choice by UFO, so chunky.

I can only hope and wish, that my rotor looks as good when i finish.

Warm Regards Fellow Aussie, Cornboy.

G'day Cornboy
You need to pull those wires really tight at each angle as you go especially in the slots as you go it is really hard to pull the wire in the last 2/3 pairs

Hurry up and finish yours we are all anxious

Kindest Regards to you Pal


Kogs in waiting

[iankoglin]

Hello Kogs!


Wow, nice Machine My Friend!

I know you measured ALL Pairs resistance (from P1 to P28) as also to verify if all showing continuity/right connection between elements...but, did you run a test with just one end of meter to one commutator element and other to ground/steel core...checking out for "leaks or short to ground from all coils?

The other test would be to check from element to next element for short between Two adjacent Pairs...

In my opinion, you should test drive motor operation before sending them to varnish/balance process...at least Imperial with like 12V then a 24V test with batteries...measure RPM's, V in/V Out plus DC Amps...mean, simple testing...film it and let Us watch video...

The reason why...is to be completely sure the timing settings and all other mechanical alignments (brushes/bearings,etc) are fine.

Plus We all will get to see that Beast Unleashed...as I know Machine Alive is getting nervous...


Thanks and warm regards

Ufopolitics

G'day UFO
Yes I did check all adjacent commutator elements also I have checked all separate commutator elements with the shaft NO Shorts

I did however measure the shaft end to end and it measured 0.4 Ohms But of course you are not interested in that
I will put the motor together tomorrow and make a video

Kindest regards Pal

Kogs getting excited

[Cornboy 555]

Excellent job Kogs, well done, Jeeze those imperials are a good choice by UFO, so chunky.

I can only hope and wish, that my rotor looks as good when i finish.

Warm Regards Fellow Aussie, Cornboy.

[Ufopolitics]

Nice!!

G'day UFO and Team
Today I finished winding my first Imperial P56 Armature
I used AWG#18 wire 15 turns per half pair each Pair measured 0,6/0.7 Ohms depending what time of day when hotter the ohms rises.

It took me about 40 hours to wind and put in the hedges I used 1.5mm Fibre board Offcuts of blank circuit boards I just etched the copper off.
The bare armature with bearings weighed 6.930kg and after winding was finished without the hedges weighed 8.902kg

@ UFO After I finished winding I realized I could have done the 17
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_0173.jpg


The Pics are here
Imperial P56 Slideshow by Kogs1 | Photobucket

Now I have to negotiate getting this Armature along with the other 3 smaller armatures Varnished and Balanced
I will keep you all Posted

Kindest Regards


Kogs gradually getting there.

Hello Kogs!


Wow, nice Machine My Friend!

I know you measured ALL Pairs resistance (from P1 to P28) as also to verify if all showing continuity/right connection between elements...but, did you run a test with just one end of meter to one commutator element and other to ground/steel core...checking out for "leaks or short to ground from all coils?

The other test would be to check from element to next element for short between Two adjacent Pairs...

In my opinion, you should test drive motor operation before sending them to varnish/balance process...at least Imperial with like 12V then a 24V test with batteries...measure RPM's, V in/V Out plus DC Amps...mean, simple testing...film it and let Us watch video...

The reason why...is to be completely sure the timing settings and all other mechanical alignments (brushes/bearings,etc) are fine.

Plus We all will get to see that Beast Unleashed...as I know Machine Alive is getting nervous...


Thanks and warm regards


Ufopolitics

[iankoglin]

Kogs Imperial P56 Update

G'day UFO and Team
I did as UFO suggested and wound with the thicker wire not thinner bifilar.
I have finished winding 3 Poles on My P56 Motor I wound it with AWG18 which is 1 mm diam. I wound each half pole with 15 turns which makes 30 turns for each pole I measured the Ohms on my DMM and it read 2 Ohms I then read each Pole on my motor and it read 6 Ohms each minus the DMM Ohms = 2 Ohms for each Pole.

G'day UFO and Team
Today I finished winding my first Imperial P56 Armature
I used AWG#18 wire 15 turns per half pair each Pair measured 0,6/0.7 Ohms depending what time of day when hotter the ohms rises.

It took me about 40 hours to wind and put in the hedges I used 1.5mm Fibre board Offcuts of blank circuit boards I just etched the copper off.
The bare armature with bearings weighed 6.930kg and after winding was finished without the hedges weighed 8.902kg

@ UFO After I finished winding I realized I could have done the 17
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...6/IMG_0173.jpg


The Pics are here
Imperial P56 Slideshow by Kogs1 | Photobucket

Now I have to negotiate getting this Armature along with the other 3 smaller armatures Varnished and Balanced
I will keep you all Posted

Kindest Regards


Kogs gradually getting there.

[Ufopolitics]

P16

Hi UFO and All, I followed this thread from the beginning.(Excellent by the way).
But I did miss a few things here and there.
I 'm looking to wind a 16 pole , since I want a lot of torque .
I'm sure I seen this here , but after re-reading many pages I haven't found it.
Found the perfect motor that you can fit 2 com's without modifying the housing.
Just not sure of the winding pattern ,or connections.
If you have the time , it will be appreciated.
Keep up the great work, it's well appreciated.
artv

Hello Shylo and thanks,

Shylo, sorry but it is NOT recommended to start on a high end pole motor configuration like a 16 poles, (guessing , cause you did not mentioned it...with Four Stators and Four Brushes) without even building a simple and inexpensive Five Pole miniature motor from Radio Shack or any other place like Gold Mine Motors site.

Once that you Build a Five Pole (P5 SERIES, NOT Single or Dual Pentagon Type) which have extensive material on my site and on this Thread...Then You will get the "Asymmetric Modular Pair Sequencing Basics"...and this experience would be required and fundamental to expand into any P# Series Winding, including a P28 Imperial.

It is very difficult and not guaranteed that you could jump right into a P16 and expect to do it perfectly well the first time...besides, you will be taking very precious time from many experienced and working members in more advanced models at this point...plus filling the thread with already displayed/existing old material.

But, then again, we are all "grown up" here right?......and You could do as you please...besides, everybody is different...you may have a lot of previous experience in winding motors from before...or maybe you are just brilliant in making "something" from scratch...only YOU know your capabilities friend...so, the Plans for the original P16 I rendered here is on :

UFOPOLITICS » SIXTEEN_POLES

Plus, there is a part on this Thread where I was guiding Member Turion on this first P16...As I believe he has also some nice videos on "How To"...exactly on this build.

Turion Video here: UFO Coil Winding for Dummies - YouTube

So... by all means...go for it and have fun and good luck


Regards


Ufopolitics

[iankoglin]

Hi UFO and All, I followed this thread from the beginning.(Excellent by the way).
But I did miss a few things here and there.
I 'm looking to wind a 16 pole , since I want a lot of torque .
I'm sure I seen this here , but after re-reading many pages I haven't found it.
Found the perfect motor that you can fit 2 com's without modifying the housing.
Just not sure of the winding pattern ,or connections.
If you have the time , it will be appreciated.
Keep up the great work, it's well appreciated.
artv

G'day Shylo
Here is one that I have wound it is a 250W MY1060 Chinese motor



It has been shown before probably 2 months ago
I hope this is what you are looking for.
Kindest Regards

Kogs trying to be helpful

[shylo]

16pole, 4 magnet case

Hi UFO and All, I followed this thread from the beginning.(Excellent by the way).
But I did miss a few things here and there.
I 'm looking to wind a 16 pole , since I want a lot of torque .
I'm sure I seen this here , but after re-reading many pages I haven't found it.
Found the perfect motor that you can fit 2 com's without modifying the housing.
Just not sure of the winding pattern ,or connections.
If you have the time , it will be appreciated.
Keep up the great work, it's well appreciated.
artv

[iankoglin]

Hi Kogs,

Kogs, I ordered for 12 v 30 amp batteries 3 numbers about 10 days ago. As I was not well, I couldn't pick them up. I will pick them tomorrow once I'm done with the winding.

Is this battery configuration OK for our requirements at this juncture or shall I need something else ? If it needs to be changed, I can do it before I take the delivery of them. If it is OK, then I will pick them up straight.

Regards and Namaste

Kumar

G'day Kumar

If you want to encourage your son to fish in the local lake you would not buy a BIG game Rod and if you wanted to catch a Marlin you would not buy a small toy rod for yourself.

For the battery size it is essential to match the size of battery to the job required so the battery size at the moment all that is required is a battery that has the required Volts and ah needed to test the motor at this time.
UFO used a small 36v Lipo battery to test his motors with.

I also have 3 car batteries connected in series that I can do extended tests with, I also purchased 3 small 12v 7.5ah batteries and connected them together so I could select either 12v, 24v and 36v in series with an amp meter so I could read the amps I am drawing.
So Pick up the batteries you have ordered they will be good for what you want at this moment.

Kindest Regards

Kogs still winding also

[ajaya999]

Batteries

Hi Kogs,

Namaste. Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. About to finish the winding Kogs. Couldn't complete before evening. Sitting now on the winding job only. Will complete by tomorrow.

Kogs, I ordered for 12 v 30 amp batteries 3 numbers about 10 days ago. As I was not well, I couldn't pick them up. I will pick them tomorrow once I'm done with the winding.

Is this battery configuration OK for our requirements at this juncture or shall I need something else ? If it needs to be changed, I can do it before I take the delivery of them. If it is OK, then I will pick them up straight.

And I also need to make the circuit. Before that need to complete the stator coil winding also. Lot of work is in pending Kogs. Need to complete earliest, at least by day after tomorrow.

Seems to be occupied whole day through, but everything is in pending.

Rotor winding (progressing), stator winding (yet to be done), Circuit (yet to be done). What is left in making this machine

And I read UFO mentioning about the resistance

Question by mikec_ut (post number 6061

Can you connect a battery directly to brushes and stator or does it only work if pulsed?

and UFO's answer to it (post 6062)

Related to feeding, it works anyway you want, however, if you used only 1 ohm resistance at stator...it will get very hot at DC straight/linear feed, normally if it is intended to be utilized this way, then much higher resistance should be wound on core, depending on Voltage to be applied.
I built it with lower ohms in order to pulse it and obtain radiant through reverse mode with diodes

here is the link to the post
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post248592

I got the answer why my earlier built burnt out

I fed it linear and the res was not even .5 ohms

WIll post the progress again Kogs. Meanwhile if you visit the thread, please try answering my question about battery config.

Regards and Namaste

Kumar

[iankoglin]

G'day Kumar
can't wait to see it finished
It Takes time for everything to come together You will gain experience when you do each motor.
Kindest regards to you and your son

Kogs always glad to help

[iankoglin]

Hey kogs

The motors I wound last, had 25 turns of 20.5 ga. I think each coil was like
1 - 1.2 ohms.

Midas it will be interesting to see imperials testing results.

Machine

G'day Machine. UFO, Midas, Light, et al
Over the past few days using AWG18 I have wound 20 Pairs 15 turns per Pole on my first Imperial P56 so far. I measured the Ohms with my DMM and the reading of the DEMM was o.7 Ohms for 19 pairs #4 was reading only 6Ohms as it only reads to one decimal place there probably only 0.001 Ohms difference . Tomorrow I will finish the last 8 Pairs It takes me about 45 minutes to wind each Pair When I finish I will post some Pics.

@ UFO I am glad I took notice of what you said in your posting to me and also in your Video I really have watched your Video many times but really I learned from yours and others experience You mentioned that you wound 14 turns and probably after finishing winding some time back you said you might have been able to do 15. So I tried 15

When I finish I will try to get the 4 motors I have finished winding Varnished and balanced Please what speed do I need to get the Imperial balanced to
Kindest Regards

Kogs getting closer

[machinealive]

Hello UFO

You know, your suped up carts, I think Midas is right and your product is something that would be much desirable in Asia. I will ask a few guys I know, who own there own shops. Who knows!

So, how do you start a thread!
I really don't have time to write ( like that), people have lots of questions, and that takes even more time. I couldn't write something that hasn't already been written. But I'll think about it. I have all my notes, somewhere.

In terms of how to build, I was just tossing ideas. It is not going to be an easy build. It seems like an easier design for a generator, I want to see how you picture it fitting together, to spin, with end plates, etc. take your time.

I'm going to try turning some plates for my big gen ring tomorrow. I'll just keep working away at that until your ready with your ideas. Or are you all done now?

Btw, El torpedo, , works better now, had the DC input, reversed. I finished hooking everything up, had a broken wire, will get to play with that a little bit tomorrow I hope. Lots of little things to do and test with that, .

[Ufopolitics]

Hey Machine

UFO
I just had my whole post typed and I got kicked.

Hey Machine,

Don't worry, this things start happening as we grow older...

And never think I ignored you or did not see your post...am old, but not that old......It is just that your post had so much info...I did not wanted to answer too fast, making mistakes...or missing right answers...

Ufo, if you ever wanted to sell some of you carts let me know, or even consider selling copies of your molds, to body guys so they can sell to local golf courses, seems like a good idea.

Seems like an excellent idea!...At one point, I was thinking about selling the whole thing, including this Yellow Pearl Model after I run the required tests with the Imperial Asymmetric Motor...and put it all on video...of course, I would sell it with the original 4.75 HP GE New Motor...

The sprocket that mounts to differential axle splines and to motor has to be made from scratch...and I am not a professional lathe guy...besides my lathe is just a toy. On top of that, the way GE Motor mounts to differential housing is made exactly to fit into rim...not with Imperial end, not same at all...in other words...a "project"...and right now I do not have the time or the budget to go for it.

About the Molds...you know that by having one set...all you need is to create a very well reinforced "Positive Mold" (which is just like the cart looks like) of all parts, with all the sealed holes and flares to brake out loose parts...from that positive or plot, then We can build as many molds as we need...

Let me know if there is someone interested...I will even train their guys to build it faster and smoother.*

What I installed on all my fiberglass molds is air fittings in the harder areas to pop out...then inject pressure when is ready to take them out...with a "spider hose" connected to all fittings and a valve to open/close, then air is injected in all fittings in one shot at @100 psi.

Some metal brackets to be bolted to frame and body tubing (Windshield and rear Roll Bar) have to bend and welded together by hand)...as also hood and deck lid hinges are also custom made.

Anyway, here was a little vid I made of my progress.

Induction motor progress - YouTube

Machine great video!...great mess too...

Looks awesome,but I'll be honest...I do not have the slightest idea what are U doing there!

First part of video, I see two phase sine waves...coming from what arrangement?...The Torpedo?...are you running Torpedo in two ways...as motor and as generator?...meaning the Toroid end?...what are the other two motor shaped cylinders?...I was guessing to be the motor(s) running toroid generator.

Then, second part I see Erfinder's similar wave...guessing there you are turning toroid as a motor...pulsing it with a hall?...or through Quadpulsers?

And by the way...I have a pretty good (I could call it awesome...lol) idea of Magnets "3D Volume and Toroid Shaped Coils......I know you are going to like it...I will make drawings some time.

On a last note related to your Toroid development...

I really believe that you should open a Thread related just to this development...for sake of having it all in one place...all organized and not splattered all around different threads...where you have been displaying material all over...what a mess... (joking)...but seriously...a separate Thread with all your videos and diagrams...along with the Tesla patents cited...would be just wonderful my friend.'

I will help you to make any CAD's Diagrams or 3D Rendering you need... ...at "an extra charge"... of course...

So, UFO, we have to decide for sure on a plan, before I get a quote. take you're time, and think of everything. Will the magnets be heavier, or the coils, which do we spin, I am still envisioning the middle section to be easier to spin, I would like to see how brush plates fit, or did you guys get the tronics done for brushless? what if we glued magnets to outside of imperial housing(double up), then make outer rotor to fit. We could replace the mags with rare earth. Just saying, there's so many options.

Now, You are talking about the Dual Rotor Asymmetric ok...

I was thinking of building the Final Dual Imperial not with magnets...but with wound stators (less magnetic friction)...Plus, we could "Quad" pulse control each Interacting coils (Two from Rotor , Inner-Outer and One from Stator simultaneously in the sequential 1.2.3 & 4... Just like the way Cornboy is gonna run his MAG3...but we are doing it with Outer Rotors extension...

Remember, we could collect Radiant out of each Pulsed Stator at different times (when they are off) and just add them up to a "Total Recall" Time...

But your idea of Inner-Outer PM glued to frame is also great!...However, using same Imperial housing...I think is not a good idea...first, because it is too thick, too heavy and made out of steel...which will cause to weaken magnetic bound on the Inner poles facing steel...this will end in affecting strength of outer fields...and second...remember we would have to take off the standing plate...no big deal...but still would have to spin it and rectify roundness in a big lathe, big chuck...So, I rather use an aluminum tubing, same ID, but much thinner than Imperial housing wall.

And Machine...related to "who do we spin?"...

The Dual Rotor Outer Assembly will deliver a super duty heavier diameter spin...as also a very solid flywheel effect...The Momentum on each Firing set will deliver a very strong "hammering effect"...and if we set them in order to get assisted by gravity...oh well...

Spinning the Permanent Magnets or Stators will bring some radical and difficult changes...remember Stators must spin with Brushes... ...plus all the centered brackets to hold stator housing to bearings...

We have a lump of marble to create something with. If any one else is going to want to get in on this, the most expensive part of waterjet is setup, they get cheaper as you buy more. Just a heads up.

later

machine

Yes we do have a lump of marble to create something excellent...and beautiful.


Kind Regards Friend


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Nice winding Zara

Asymmetrical 10 Pole Motor Video. Still figuring out how to get the video to play on the page.


^ This is the new link to the video that now works...

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This is all I used to power the motor...

Hello Zara,

Nice work!...very torquey with an 18V?(I don't know, just guessing) drill battery that normally drives a 550 body motor way much smaller than your P10

And very neat winding work, that red spiral looks awesome!

On the video and this site...You will never get video to play directly here...as this site does not have the Embedding Format for You Tube on the editor, so, you did it just fine, like everybody else do it.


Thanks for sharing!


Regards


Ufopolitics