My Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machines

[Cornboy 555]

Witch one?

Great video UFO, thanks, i am just curious about not having a load on the output of your motor, does this mean the witch is still inside clashing with the hot?

Warm Regards Cornboy.

[Lightworker1]

Hello Lester, Many Thanks for the detailed description.

Warmest regards

light

[machinealive]

Hey folks,

Being doing lots of tests and different hook-ups, even tried feeding P1 and P15 with thier own battery supply, worked better, but this setup was quickest, and worked the best, so far. I couldn't get any kind of series hookup to work as good as I felt it should. Ended up placing P1-P15 in parallel input, P8-P22>parallel out. The generator would spin the best when all coils were hooked in parallel.

So here is a short vid, with connections as I just said. Still need lots of work but. So generator has 4 coils in parallel.

56test6 - YouTube

UFO, your last vidoe was great. Today, I going to use 36 v, then start working on the controller, I still have 3 fets, 600v 100a each so I'm gonna pulse this hopefully this weekend.

[Ufopolitics]

That looks good!

Hey folks,

Being doing lots of tests and different hook-ups, even tried feeding P1 and P15 with thier own battery supply, worked better, but this setup was quickest, and worked the best, so far. I couldn't get any kind of series hookup to work as good as I felt it should. Ended up placing P1-P15 in parallel input, P8-P22>parallel out. The generator would spin the best when all coils were hooked in parallel.

So here is a short vid, with connections as I just said. Still need lots of work but. So generator has 4 coils in parallel.

56test6 - YouTube

UFO, your last vidoe was great. Today, I going to use 36 v, then start working on the controller, I still have 3 fets, 600v 100a each so I'm gonna pulse this hopefully this weekend.

Hey Machine!


Great work there my friend!

Still can't understand why it does not work well when Generator have Series connected Coils...

Seems like Gen drags too much when series connected, right ?

Have you turned Gen with Motor...and ALL Coils open at Gen...then measure polarity on each?...for some reason, I believe you could have some P-Gates there at reversed polarity...and you may think they are the other way around?

So, in this test you have Motor Out in Parallel...as also Generator Out in Parallel...right?...So...what happens when you connect the Two Outputs (Motor and Generator) in series?...do they add up?...does it affects RPM's or drags?

And You already set Generator Timing to run CW when applying pos to pos and neg to neg?

However...You've got them running very strong now...with only 24 Volts...so it is a great step forward

And...protect those FET's...with nice Diodes...when pulsing it...I tell you I have fried a few NTE576's...when trying to set them Inline with battery flow, so the reversed currents here are galore...and we have to control that.

Regards friend


Ufopolitics

[machinealive]

Hey UFO, I'm sorry, The motor and gen are connected as your dia, for full power out, not parallel, and the caps are connected, I have 1 cap across input battery. I have vid of all testing I've done, just wanted to make a quick update.

For gen;
I think 24v in, no load
1 single coil is fed>RPM 1800
All series>RPM 650
P1 and P15 in parallel>RPM 2308
All coils in parallel>RPM 2640

Did that make sense? The coils are now in parallel, but the motor and gen are still connected to input and caps, like full power out dia.

[Ufopolitics]

Nope...

Great video UFO, thanks, i am just curious about not having a load on the output of your motor, does this mean the witch is still inside clashing with the hot?

Warm Regards Cornboy.

Hello Cornboy,

When you do not add a load to Motor Output, coils keep charged longer, motor consumption is much less, so rotation is great...no witch against...witch is on our side now...with or without load on output...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Hey UFO, I'm sorry, The motor and gen are connected as your dia, for full power out, not parallel, and the caps are connected, I have 1 cap across input battery. I have vid of all testing I've done, just wanted to make a quick update

Hey Machine,

Ok, so Meter on extreme right is showing 36-38V...that is your total output of both machines in SERIES?...which is somewhere around 19V each...correct?

If it is so...then that is great!...no drag then.

Still... I want to see much more as output in that Generator...

Run that test on Gen turned by Motor... with all four terminal coils open at Gen...measure polarity on each...and mark them all...to make sure.

When you connect them in series...follow rotation sense at generator based on CW direction, Not randomly connected, not following CCW...!

Try this first at 24V...Then Let's see what happens at 36V...


Regards


Ufopolitics


EDIT 1: Some video Tips:
When starting filming video...stay a bit longer on each meter...and describe what they are showing...wait til Camera focuses on labels...and while running...also stay a bit longer on each meter...(just a couple of more seconds)

[Ufopolitics]

For gen;
I think 24v in, no load
1 single coil is fed>RPM 1800
All series>RPM 650
P1 and P15 in parallel>RPM 2308
All coils in parallel>RPM 2640

Did that make sense? The coils are now in parallel, but the motor and gen are still connected to input and caps, like full power out dia.

Ok, yes, it does make sense...all coils in parallel are gonna be stronger...however, that should apply for INPUT...It should NOT affect Motor if you connect Motor output in series...or does it?

Related to Generator:

I see the radical drop in RPM's when in series...but that is feeding Generator...

What I am trying for You to Test...is to Spin Generator by Motor...and ALL Coils open at Gen...measure each, as check/verify their polarity.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Try This...

Hey UFO, I'm sorry, The motor and gen are connected as your dia, for full power out, not parallel, and the caps are connected, I have 1 cap across input battery. I have vid of all testing I've done, just wanted to make a quick update.

For gen;
I think 24v in, no load
1 single coil is fed>RPM 1800
All series>RPM 650
P1 and P15 in parallel>RPM 2308
All coils in parallel>RPM 2640

Did that make sense? The coils are now in parallel, but the motor and gen are still connected to input and caps, like full power out dia.

Hey Machine,

On Generator Series Connections, following a Sequence based on CW (Meaning from P22 to P1)...You could only go two ways...give them a try...

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See which one works out better (Connection 1 or 2)...

1-Test to Spin Generator by Motor and check their total output...

So, here...One of the Connections should oppose to Motor rotation when applying a Load to Generator (Short Circuiting Total Out by an Incandescent 120 V bulb, NO CFL here)...while the other one should assist rotation (or at least not affect RPM's)...that's the one we need.


What I am gonna do further on (I have to make frame mounting brackets for that)...is to Hook my Original Imperial Motor to spin My Asymmetrical one (as Generator)...so I can also hook them and test...


Regards


Ufopolitics

[machinealive]

Hey UFO,

Sorry, had to clear the rink, so, you miss the snow, I'll gladly part with some.

I am sure I checked the polarity, just spinning the gen with motor, everything checked out polarity wise, but it dragged the RPM down hard, on motor. If I can't find the vid and review it, I'll recheck.
I got to try some things, now that it's rocking, But I will recheck the gen wiring. Gotta try 36 v pulsed.

[Hitby13kw]

best use of 21 Pole Armature

UFO,

Been studying up on your motor thread since my initial post, about half way through it now.
( almost had an OBE seeing the 12 pole 2 stator 4 brushes - spyro of life/time design )

So we have the eyes open to see what salvage is within our grasp, have several small 12P-12C-2S-2B units and am currently working to replicate your work with this size unit, wanted to compare ouput when the same armature was wound with different patterns; Star of David, Spyro of time, etc.

Onto other issues. I find myself in possession of several bigger units Manufactured by Indiana General DC pm motor - Part Number 4030D-95

Shaft lbs. Length Volts Amp RPM
5/8" 11 7" 36 1 1125

Stators (#S) 4
Poles at Armature (#P) 21
Brushes (#B) 2
Commutator Elements (#C) 41

going over my notes I'm unable to find anything with a 21 pole configuration.
My first thought would be seven three poles groups or three seven poles,
It would be very simple to add more brushes to this unit 2,4,6,8,whatever
but perhaps you have a more enlightened view of the possibility’s?

Thanks for your continues assistance to all the members.

Warm Regards

Hitby13kw

[Cornboy 555]

Scratching head.

Hello Cornboy,

When you do not add a load to Motor Output, coils keep charged longer, motor consumption is much less, so rotation is great...no witch against...witch is on our side now...with or without load on output...


Regards


Ufopolitics

Thanks for your explanation UFO, i must be understanding this wrongly, i thought the output brushes were to give the reverse flow a way out not to clash with next energising from commutator!

Regards Cornboy.

[warrensk]

Finished my radioshack motor replication

After it tore loose some wires and had to rewind it, i know why they use so much resin!

Dual Pentagon RS asymmetrical modified motor - YouTube

[machinealive]

Turned into a really busy day, only got to hook up 36v, she flies, want to seeeee,

56test8 - YouTube

Hey UFO, notice how long she holds on, at end when I switch off.

[sampojo]

RS replication & Basic motor construction details

Hammered out all the precision issues, such as minimum 1/32" play on rotor movement between endplates, omitted insulation washer and a misunderstanding on magnet polarity. I would have not found it unless I tried a double rotor replication, done to avoid the tougher cut on the open end of the RS housing, and went for a more powerful option of making the motor bigger. Only one small design change was needed to expose my ignorance of basic motor construction. Went through a lot of precision issues, things getting contact inside the motor, got down to scraping extra layers of glue off of magnets. Even this toy requires a minmial level of precision. Got rid of bushings fairly easily with roller bearings too! Plan to still stabilize the windings with epoxy, buy an rpm meter, run some tests and see what it can do between stopping points on other motors I want to build to increase my skills. I have a video to illustrate some construction details about basics not covered to my knowledge that less experienced builders might find useful.

Asymmetric Motor Replication and Basic electric motors

Here is a diagram to explain magnet polarity. Not understanding this caused me to mostly mix up my magnets on a double rotor design!



UPDATE: Of course wouldn't you know Ufo clearly labelled the mag polarity issue on his VERY FIRST graphic he provided! DOH!!! (see the thumbnail)